Does God get a fail in the love category?
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Being inactive in a period where the book is the only 'active ingredient' just highlight God's will of restraint in that He will wait until the (rules) prophecies allow Him to make certain moves. If He had been showing 'wonders' and such even as small as the 'signs following' then how much more would have to be shown when this verse is to become reality. The Gentiles that are in the 7 Churches that need to overcome their sins will not be made better in the gathering, they are put to sleep so they cannot fall into a more deadly sin. (the ones sent to hell are not released when Satan is so they do not get sent to the lake, without being in that specific place they would be going to the lake because that is where the 4 fallen angels that are killed and released to be with Satan will end up, an interesting topic in it's own tight) As it is they are killed just before they can take the mark where they worship Satan, without love being involved it would have been 'just as easy' to kill them after they took the mark. When judging God's morality it should be somewhat important to make sure all the cards on the table are face -up. In this case was God kind to put the child in the most danger behind a locked door rather than one that is just closed (until the time all dangers are past, the land of the enemy is death when it comes to God, when men are running the 'show' it is a plot of physical land)
2Pe:3:9:
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise,
as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward,
not willing that any should perish,
but that all should come to repentance.
Isa:56:10:
His watchmen are blind:
they are all ignorant,
they are all dumb dogs,
they cannot bark;
sleeping,
lying down,
loving to slumber.
Isa:56:11:
Yea,
they are greedy dogs which can never have enough,
and they are shepherds that cannot understand:
they all look to their own way,
every one for his gain,
from his quarter.
Isa:56:12:
Come ye,
say they,
I will fetch wine,
and we will fill ourselves with strong drink;
and to morrow shall be as this day,
and much more abundant.
Should God show His love by making the group that must visit the grave be larger than needed? The day of return will see two groups, 2/3 will enter the grave and 1/3 will remain alive. They are joined by anybody else that fits the Re:20:4 list and the resurrected and the living will be the population for the whole 1,000 years as outlined in Eze:39, Zec:14, Jer:31 and Eze:37. OT Israel is restored back to the way it looked in Ge:2 when it was the garden and the Dead Sea was in the condition described in Eze:47. (Basically the water are 'made healthy so fresh water fish live there)
It takes less than 10 years to reach that stage from being void of life at 3PM which is when the last vial is poured out. Resurrection will take place and for that to happen your name has to be in that 20:4 list. If it is you have 1,000 years to go from ,saved by the skin of their teeth' to being Priests and Kings that can survive fire from God that is melting all sinners, even Satan. From there that whole group enters New Jerusalem and once it lands on the new earth that group stays inside the city and that is their eternal home. They play the role of Israel to the remnant of the nations just as practiced 1,000 times as described in Zec:14. The dimensions of the new earth are the same as the current heaven. Holy angels vacate this heaven to enter their new heaven so the universe is what mankind will settle over eternity. The ones that live outside the city will have 100 children per married couple and that is how the numbers increase.
What part of the ending shows that God isn't considerate of everybody involved in being alive in this earth, in the new earth children are still children and at 120 you stop having children and enter the 'grandparent stage of eternity', that is bad in what way, you will still have a glorified body.
Every person that enter the new earth will be given a 'plot of land' so he can make it into a strong nation over eternity. The hasten part in the verse below is made possible by certain promises made in this era. Jesus makes a covenant of safety with the birds and beasts of the field that are at the feast of men's bodies that He supplies. They are then put to sleep and remain like that for the whole of the 1,000 years and for the Great White Throne event that takes place after that. When New Jerusalem lands on the New earth in Re:22 the earth looks like it does in the Ge:2 creation version except in the new earth all af Adam and Eve's children are behind them and the 'mist' id the river of life extending out from the city. The ones that Jesus make a covenant with will be restored to life and that 'remnant' is enough to restore life to all that live from the original days of creation as in Ge:1. That would include the sparrows mentioned in the NT. What parts was He missing?
Isa:60:22:
A little one shall become a thousand,
and a small one a strong nation:
I the LORD will hasten it in his time.
Angelic beings are forbidden to marry because their child could possibly fall into sin. Once they are perfected and in their new heaven they cam marry and have one child that is born perfected so they could never fall into sin and be lost to the lake. You would have them marry and lose many children to the fiery lake, where is your love and understanding (of the consequences)?
When you and another 'perfected angel', such as God and the Holy Spirit, marry and have a perfected child (Proverbs:8) you have to be in the 3rd heaven. New Jerusalem is a large 'city', in that 3rd heaven it is considered to be 'a house' in a place called the 'city of God', when New Jerusalem descends to the new earth the city of God will still exist and that will be the eternal home for the 2/3 of all angels that did not sin. but 'played by the rules'. Something you seem to want to avoid or at least change.
Why would they blank out the word 'heaven'? In the 1st heaven 1 day is 24 hours, from the moon to the far sides of the universe a day is 1,000 years long, in the 3rd heaven which is past that and across 'the void' you find the city, a day there is 10,000 of our years long.
Considering we get a life of 120 years that numbered in days using a 360 day calendar. The new earth would last that same number x 1,000, do the same for the 3rd one and that is the size of my God's heaven. Your version is not even a vapor compared to that.
I left the North Pole on Thursday and was gone for 3 days and came back on Thursday.
Lesson learned, don't name your horse Thursday, it may confuse certain people somewhere down the road.
If man invented god then who invented man? I suggest you guess nature. If such is the case then who invented nature? Did nature invent itself? We know where the matter is but where are the power schematics and what power is it?
No way to effectively answer your questions unless we agree to a framework to debate - too many variables. Since you mention Scripture, let's go with that for a starter.
First, is there a God and if there is a God what are his characteristics? I think it is reasonable to assume that a God has greater powers/abilities than humans. So, let's go with God is all-knowing & all- powerful. Your questions suggest that these are reasonable traits a God should possess. Would you concede God (if actually an all-powerful, all-knowing being) has the right to his own time table and his own manner of showing or not showing love to humans?
Regarding your comment, "...said to love us unconditionally. Yet if we do not love, honor, obey and believe in him, we are condemned an punsihed..." If you are speaking of the God of Scripture, your comments here are not accurate. Rather God has said, "you (mankind) are not capable of honoring or obeying me (God)." Never has the God of Scripture required that we meet the conditions you have listed "to get his love returned to us."
So, yes, God does love us unconditionally. Can I explain fully in this post? No, but am happy to continue the conversation. What specific works, deeds and actions are you looking for?
CJ
Anything at all that can be attributed to God without any doubt remaining.
If God loves us unconditionally then there is no need for a hell. Right?
Regards
DL
Adam was sentenced to die an be asleep in death intil resurrected, just like any of his children (mankind). The people that would actually try and fight against God receive the same punishment with one extra addition, death with no sleep. That condition has a beginning and an end. The beginning is on the day the 7th trump sounds and on that same day 2/3 of people living will be dead within the few hours it takes for the 7 vials to be poured out. The ones sent to hell are kept in hell when Satan is released and they are resurrected only at the Great White Throne where they are greeted by God as being sinless because they served the whole punishment period.
If you read Isaiah 65 with that in mind then you will understand that it is a punishment that has an end and the end results with them being back with God.
You do realize that you comment puts you right beside her right?
Given your crude response it is clear you object to basic Christian beliefs. You may find the account of Jesus' incarnation implausible, but there is no need to display your opposition in such a vile manner. Afterall, Diety does have the "right" to his own way of doing things. If he had to check with what we humans deem plausible then he would be rather unimpressive.This is how much god loves us:
Wrong God put us in hell because he loves us. You and I are in hell (the underworld, egypt). You are a soul and incarnation in matter is hell to souls, the meat and bone are ravaged in time by the material world (hell), the soul or spark or energy is not. Hell is as necessary to harmony and balance as heaven is, up is nothing without down, good is boring without bad, and the light is useless without the dark, left right, sweet & sour.
If he was impressive then you would think his followers would learn about him yet theists are at the bottom of the knowledge scale for their God.
And the fact that they do not care about knowing their God shows beyond a doubt that they are not real believers.
God may have a special place for those kinds of hypocrites in hell.
Regards
DL
All that duality but you forgot the hate to go with the love.
How handy.
Regards
DL
MArry Lyssa, FP...
Walking On Eggshells | Lyssa Chapman
Dawg needs an honest son in Law, and this way you can get all the duality you can handle..
Not handy at all, simply forgot. You know the narrow road thingy well unless it has two ditches it aint a road right? Harmonization requires duality don't it? How you going to harmonize with nothing?
