Notice how He didn't leave anybody out Cliffy? No points for 'blanket application'.
Being inactive in a period where the book is the only 'active ingredient' just highlight God's will of restraint in that He will wait until the (rules) prophecies allow Him to make certain moves. If He had been showing 'wonders' and such even as small as the 'signs following' then how much more would have to be shown when this verse is to become reality. The Gentiles that are in the 7 Churches that need to overcome their sins will not be made better in the gathering, they are put to sleep so they cannot fall into a more deadly sin. (the ones sent to hell are not released when Satan is so they do not get sent to the lake, without being in that specific place they would be going to the lake because that is where the 4 fallen angels that are killed and released to be with Satan will end up, an interesting topic in it's own tight) As it is they are killed just before they can take the mark where they worship Satan, without love being involved it would have been 'just as easy' to kill them after they took the mark. When judging God's morality it should be somewhat important to make sure all the cards on the table are face -up. In this case was God kind to put the child in the most danger behind a locked door rather than one that is just closed (until the time all dangers are past, the land of the enemy is death when it comes to God, when men are running the 'show' it is a plot of physical land)Does God get a fail in the love category?
All will agree that in loving someone, that love must be shown in works, deeds and actions. This allows for reciprocity which is what makes what would be a one way corrupted love a true two way love.
Believers see God as the greatest lover of mankind yet he does no works or deeds to show us that he loves us.
Love, like faith, without works and deeds is dead. That’s scripture. Love, to be true love, must be shown by works, deeds and actions. The fact that God does not show his love by works, deeds and actions at a personal or collective level means that God does not love us. Some are going to point to the notion that God created them but remember that that is not a provable claim so please do not offer it. Remember that way too high of a percentage of us are born with defects.
Do you believe that God loves us?
Why or why not?
God is also said to love us unconditionally. Yet if we do not love, honor, obey and believe in him, we are condemned and punished. Those are all conditions we must meet to get his love returned to us.
Does God love us unconditionally?
Love and morals developed to enhance interaction and living within groups of people and perhaps other entities.
God was alone and did not need to develop morals and could not love anyone because he was alone for untold millennia.
Is God even able to love?
Why would they blank out the word 'heaven'? In the 1st heaven 1 day is 24 hours, from the moon to the far sides of the universe a day is 1,000 years long, in the 3rd heaven which is past that and across 'the void' you find the city, a day there is 10,000 of our years long.I thought the discussion was which God has the biggest *****? Or am I missing something..
I left the North Pole on Thursday and was gone for 3 days and came back on Thursday.Now now, its our sworn duty to forewarn French Patriot before he goes Deity hunting North of the Arctic circle...
No way to effectively answer your questions unless we agree to a framework to debate - too many variables. Since you mention Scripture, let's go with that for a starter.Does God get a fail in the love category?
All will agree that in loving someone, that love must be shown in works, deeds and actions. This allows for reciprocity which is what makes what would be a one way corrupted love a true two way love.
Believers see God as the greatest lover of mankind yet he does no works or deeds to show us that he loves us.
Love, like faith, without works and deeds is dead. That’s scripture. Love, to be true love, must be shown by works, deeds and actions. The fact that God does not show his love by works, deeds and actions at a personal or collective level means that God does not love us. Some are going to point to the notion that God created them but remember that that is not a provable claim so please do not offer it. Remember that way too high of a percentage of us are born with defects.
Do you believe that God loves us?
Why or why not?
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God is also said to love us unconditionally. Yet if we do not love, honor, obey and believe in him, we are condemned and punished. Those are all conditions we must meet to get his love returned to us.
Does God love us unconditionally?
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Love and morals developed to enhance interaction and living within groups of people and perhaps other entities.
God was alone and did not need to develop morals and could not love anyone because he was alone for untold millennia.
Is God even able to love?
Regards
DL
No way to effectively answer your questions unless we agree to a framework to debate - too many variables. Since you mention Scripture, let's go with that for a starter.
First, is there a God and if there is a God what are his characteristics? I think it is reasonable to assume that a God has greater powers/abilities than humans. So, let's go with God is all-knowing & all- powerful. Your questions suggest that these are reasonable traits a God should possess. Would you concede God (if actually an all-powerful, all-knowing being) has the right to his own time table and his own manner of showing or not showing love to humans?
Regarding your comment, "...said to love us unconditionally. Yet if we do not love, honor, obey and believe in him, we are condemned an punsihed..." If you are speaking of the God of Scripture, your comments here are not accurate. Rather God has said, "you (mankind) are not capable of honoring or obeying me (God)." Never has the God of Scripture required that we meet the conditions you have listed "to get his love returned to us."
So, yes, God does love us unconditionally. Can I explain fully in this post? No, but am happy to continue the conversation. What specific works, deeds and actions are you looking for?
CJ
Adam was sentenced to die an be asleep in death intil resurrected, just like any of his children (mankind). The people that would actually try and fight against God receive the same punishment with one extra addition, death with no sleep. That condition has a beginning and an end. The beginning is on the day the 7th trump sounds and on that same day 2/3 of people living will be dead within the few hours it takes for the 7 vials to be poured out. The ones sent to hell are kept in hell when Satan is released and they are resurrected only at the Great White Throne where they are greeted by God as being sinless because they served the whole punishment period.Anything at all that can be attributed to God without any doubt remaining.
If God loves us unconditionally then there is no need for a hell. Right?
Regards
DL
You do realize that you comment puts you right beside her right?French Patriot is sooooo going to burn
I find your statement regarding the French Patriot outrageous.French Patriot is sooooo going to burn
French Patriot is sooooo going to burn
Given your crude response it is clear you object to basic Christian beliefs. You may find the account of Jesus' incarnation implausible, but there is no need to display your opposition in such a vile manner. Afterall, Diety does have the "right" to his own way of doing things. If he had to check with what we humans deem plausible then he would be rather unimpressive.
Anything at all that can be attributed to God without any doubt remaining.
If God loves us unconditionally then there is no need for a hell. Right?
Regards
DL
Given your crude response it is clear you object to basic Christian beliefs. You may find the account of Jesus' incarnation implausible, but there is no need to display your opposition in such a vile manner. Afterall, Diety does have the "right" to his own way of doing things. If he had to check with what we humans deem plausible then he would be rather unimpressive.
*lol* putting on sunscreen. How perfectly timed is that reference today. Please tell me someone else caught this.
Wrong God put us in hell because he loves us. You and I are in hell (the underworld, egypt). You are a soul and incarnation in matter is hell to souls, the meat and bone are ravaged in time by the material world (hell), the soul or spark or energy is not. Hell is as necessary to harmony and balance as heaven is, up is nothing without down, good is boring without bad, and the light is useless without the dark, left right, sweet & sour.
All that duality but you forgot the hate to go with the love.
How handy.
Regards
DL
All that duality but you forgot the hate to go with the love.
How handy.
Regards
DL