2012 broke sea level, sea ice records, climate report shows
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Yes the climate is changing... as it has for billions of years.
Carbon credit and the hope of wealth transfer is the only thing that is driving this. Well that and unsubstantiated fear.
Cut back on pollution... absolutely.
"The ethic of conservation is the explicit abnegation of man's dominion over the Earth. The lower species are here for our use. God said so: Go forth, be fruitful, multiply, and rape the planet — it's yours. That's our job: drilling, mining and stripping. Sweaters are the anti-Biblical view. Big gas-guzzling cars with phones and CD players and wet bars — that's the Biblical view."
--Ann Coulter
Isn't neat when the people arguing against the evidence for anthropogenic climate change use climate change policy as their main argument?
That's like saying you don't believe in God because the priests are taking all your money.
If you're going to take a critical position, then at least find the evidence to discredit the science instead of whining about how the guvmint is trying to make a quick buck off of you.
Skeptic arguments that Antarctica is gaining ice frequently hinge on an error of omission, namely ignoring the difference between land ice and sea ice.
In glaciology and particularly with respect to Antarctic ice, not all things are created equal. Let us consider the following differences. Antarctic land ice is the ice which has accumulated over thousands of years on the Antarctica landmass itself through snowfall. This land ice therefore is actually stored ocean water that once fell as precipitation. Sea ice in Antarctica is quite different as it is ice which forms in salt water primarily during the winter months. When land ice melts and flows into the oceans global sea levels rise on average; when sea ice melts sea levels do not change measurably.
In Antarctica, sea ice grows quite extensively during winter but nearly completely melts away during the summer (Figure 1). That is where the important difference between Antarctic and Arctic sea ice exists as much of the Arctic's sea ice lasts all the year round. During the winter months it increases and before decreasing during the summer months, but an ice cover does in fact remain in the North which includes quite a bit of ice from previous years (Figure 1). Essentially Arctic sea ice is more important for the earth's energy balance because when it increasingly melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the oceans whereas Antarctic sea ice normally melts each summer leaving the earth's energy balance largely unchanged.
Is Antarctica losing or gaining ice?
That's like saying you don't believe in God because the priests are taking all your money.
If you're going to take a critical position, then at least find the evidence to discredit the science instead of whining about how the guvmint is trying to make a quick buck off of you.
Skeptic arguments that Antarctica is gaining ice frequently hinge on an error of omission, namely ignoring the difference between land ice and sea ice.
In glaciology and particularly with respect to Antarctic ice, not all things are created equal. Let us consider the following differences. Antarctic land ice is the ice which has accumulated over thousands of years on the Antarctica landmass itself through snowfall. This land ice therefore is actually stored ocean water that once fell as precipitation. Sea ice in Antarctica is quite different as it is ice which forms in salt water primarily during the winter months. When land ice melts and flows into the oceans global sea levels rise on average; when sea ice melts sea levels do not change measurably.
In Antarctica, sea ice grows quite extensively during winter but nearly completely melts away during the summer (Figure 1). That is where the important difference between Antarctic and Arctic sea ice exists as much of the Arctic's sea ice lasts all the year round. During the winter months it increases and before decreasing during the summer months, but an ice cover does in fact remain in the North which includes quite a bit of ice from previous years (Figure 1). Essentially Arctic sea ice is more important for the earth's energy balance because when it increasingly melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the oceans whereas Antarctic sea ice normally melts each summer leaving the earth's energy balance largely unchanged.
Is Antarctica losing or gaining ice?
Has anyone examined the impact of penguins on the Antarctic ice?
I'm developing a theory of penguinogenic climate change.
I'm developing a theory of penguinogenic climate change.
Still working on the specifics, but I'm pretty sure those little buggers are up to something.
Let me know when you figure it out.
Then you can provide us with your evidence, projections and scientific credentials.
Cheers!
I'll present the evidence when I've fully assembled it. Preliminary projections are for continuing and increasing penguin skulduggery.
I have a Ph.D. in climate science.
I just printed it.
Nope... It's saying that AGW is a myth AND are arguing about assessing a tax on the myth.
Big difference there junior
I just recently assigned myself a Super-Doctorate in Climate Science.
I can now proudly say that I am the most preeminent and qualified climate scientist on the planet... My fees to the UN will reflect it
Well, that didn't last long.
You need a Super-Doctorate in Climate Science to sweep the floor in the lab of an Ultra-Mega Climate Sophont like me.
I have a Maters in Polar Bear Necessities, and Penguins are on the list. Are you prepared to lobby Washington for my funding, hopefully in Cash?
No inconsistencies here. Most of the Antarctic's ice loss is from under the surface. Also, Walnut sees something about ice area increasing and gets all ecstatic. However, he doesn't quite seem to comprehend the concept of volume, which is demonstrated by his reply with the graph about area to my graph of volume.VG point. the Antarctic ice, land , is slightly increased, due to increased evaporation from the WARMING Southern Ocean, and Swelling of the warming ice cap.
Its in one of the 'source links' Wally included.- Trying to prove the opposite..Antarctic ice sheet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
IE, Saturn's rings cover an immense amount of area, but not so much volume. I had it explained to me by a friend of my family who worked at the radio observatory in White Lake, BC one time, that if you could reduce the area of Saturn's rings to the size of a 6m x 6m room, the thickness of the rings would be thinner than a sheet of paper. And ice in the antarctic has a depth of something like 4,800 meters at the thickest and averages about 2400 meters in thickness. hehe Outta sight outta mind.
Crap. I really wish you would learn the difference between volume and area.And Antarctic ice is increasing.
And Antarctic ice is increasing.
The Arctic Institute - Center for Circumpolar Security Studies
If you go to the bottom graph you can see that the AREA of Antarctic ice fluctuates but stays pretty much the same on average. VOLUME, however, is DECREASING.
The AREA increases. The VOLUME is decreasing. I was going to make a comparison of thickness between ice and skulls, but I won't.
lol You're kidding, right?
Yeah, political BS drives climate changes, uhuh.
I doubt anything could substantiate something to you once you form your opinion. Sorry, but your obduracy is no evidence of anything except your obduracy.
Right on.
It is driving the movement. Just look at every climate conference. money money money... binding... give us money...just sign the binding agreement that gives us your money, the debate is over... All Obama had to do was sign this binding agreement... etc.
And no... my opinions and beliefs do change from time to time.
Well, money, money, money is what makes the universe do the funky chicken these days ya know. And politics is all about money, too.
Who needs gods n goddesses? We have Mammon.Ya, I know. Was just pokin yer ribs.
