Ignoring the cultural differences for a moment how many of us would stay in a community that has over 85% of the population on welfare? Probably none.
How can you ignore the cultural differences though? That's a huge part.
Ignoring the cultural differences for a moment how many of us would stay in a community that has over 85% of the population on welfare? Probably none.
This is the first thing you've ever said, that was right.The aboriginal world cannot change overnight, it will take years.
I think Newmarket is a big city.Many can barely speak English and think Regina is big city.
Are you talking about gov't housing in Tdot, or a res?They live a subsistence life, just getting by, living in squalor, while a few prosper.
Kanesatake gearing up for Aug. 20 election | APTN National NewsThey want us to pay to keep traditions that are not democratic.
I agree, and you're excluded because you aren't party to the contract. Can I profit from the sale of your home?They are locked in a dead end relationship with the govt that excludes the mass of Canadians.
Yet they are Canadians because they are not Russians, Arabs, Nigerians or Swedes.
Everyone has a right to clean drinking water.Maude Barlow wishes to lever the UN to force the govt to give them "rights."
Who knew you two had something in common.She's desperate and ought to be ignored.
You're right, I can give thousands.You can't even give one example of why aboriginal culture is worth preserving.
They are if it's written in the contract, lol.True. Legal obligations are not eternal though.
Is there a point to that silliness?Aboriginals are driving big rigs and running businesses, that wasn't written in any legal document not too long ago.
Choose? No.So ... is someone complaining because they choose to live outside a city and they haven't managed their water and sewer services without the assistance of the local, provincial or federal government???
Yes.... or is there something more to this?
The fact that we're talking about something on a larger scale, aside, that's all that's being asked for.If the problem is running water, drill a well, drop the pump way down, get a plumber involved and voila ... running water. If the water is not drinkable, do what others do and get a water dispenser. If all of that is too much effort ... move into the city where it's mostly provided by gov't services.
Yes and no.If the water safety criteria on reserves is different than what the people find acceptable, why don't they modify the criteria. Aren't reserves self-governing?
Yes and no.Is the problem that people on reserves want better criteria but their elected leaders aren't doing anything about it so the people want the federal gov't to step in and force their elected leaders to do something?
I'd hazard a guess, that building water treatment facilities for the small communities in question, would be far cheaper then your silly act of fascism.To me, it's an example of trying to force the federal govt to spend money on a problem that could be easily solved by aboriginals moving to cities and towns where everyone has clean water and sanitation.
The UN aside. You do realise that Canada is subject to International law right?And because she can no longer get public support, she must resort to international law.
Because she's not jeopardizing the sovereignty of our water, when she's talking about domestic use.She states that Canada ought to be sovereign over its water, yet bend to international organzations like the UN when it makes decisions on water.
Purely by accident.There is a certain amount of logic in what dumpy says.
How many of us were forced to the communities?Ignoring the cultural differences for a moment how many of us would stay in a community that has over 85% of the population on welfare?
Unless of course it meant a feeling of abandoning what you have left.We would move to where there are jobs, schools etc or at least find a camp job somewhere so we could support our families.
To me, it's an example of trying to force the federal govt to spend money on a problem that could be easily solved by aboriginals moving to cities and towns where everyone has clean water and sanitation. Allying with aboriginals to me is a sign Maude Barlow is no longer progressive, she is now reactionary and does not deserve support. And because she can no longer get public support, she must resort to international law.
She states that Canada ought to be sovereign over its water, yet bend to international organzations like the UN when it makes decisions on water. She can't have it both ways. Other countries cannot force us to create rights in water if we do not decide ourselves, by ourselves to do it. And we have not. The federal govt can ignore the UN on this issue.
The Canadian Armed Forces have a water filtration system, that can be deployed anywhere in the world, within 48 hours. In fact it was, right after the a tsunami hit southeast Asian a few years back. While Kashechewan suffered.Canada is a nation with a high standard of living, we are not a third world country. There is no sane, rational reason why anyone residing in Canada should not be able to obtain safe, clean water. I'm fairly certain that the government, through CIDA, provides support to charitable organizations that have a mandate to provide clean safe water in third world countries. In other words, our tax dollars.
Because dirty injins are involved.Why it is such a contentious issue for the government (ie. our tax dollars) to pay, in whole or in part, for that basic standard level of living for entire communities of people within our own nation completely baffles me.
To you maybe that what this issue is about.
To me, it is much simpler.
Canada is a nation with a high standard of living, we are not a third world country. There is no sane, rational reason why anyone residing in Canada should not be able to obtain safe, clean water. I'm fairly certain that the government, through CIDA, provides support to charitable organizations that have a mandate to provide clean safe water in third world countries. In other words, our tax dollars.
Why it is such a contentious issue for the government (ie. our tax dollars) to pay, in whole or in part, for that basic standard level of living for entire communities of people within our own nation completely baffles me.
Not even in the slightest.One suggestion (and that's all it is) Perhaps when a community is first established with a handful of people there is enough potable water, but as the population grows the supply maybe insufficient and it might be cheaper to relocate the community than obtain sufficient potable water to meet the demand. :smile:
Not even in the slightest.
Moving an entire community, is costly. Take into consideration, many of these communities are fly in only. Then you have the costly logistics of packing an moving tons of belongings. Then you have to have adequate housing for the community, in the new location.
They'd still be on public assistance and there is no guarantee that they would get off it.
Then you have the iisue of substance abuse.
You know remove middlemen. Making both access and cost, more attainable.
The cost of a water treatment facility, upgrading or training, would pale in comparison, IMHO.
Some thoughts are dumb, yours however, was not. Just like when dumpy mentioned it.O.K. Bear, it was just a thought (dumb perhaps) :smile:
One suggestion (and that's all it is) Perhaps when a community is first established with a handful of people there is enough potable water, but as the population grows the supply maybe insufficient and it might be cheaper to relocate the community than obtain sufficient potable water to meet the demand. :smile:
The Canadian Armed Forces have a water filtration system, that can be deployed anywhere in the world, within 48 hours. In fact it was, right after the a tsunami hit southeast Asian a few years back. While Kashechewan suffered.
Because dirty injins are involved.
I can't think of any other explanation for why someone would throw fact and reason out the window. Instead hanging onto myth, lies and innuendo perpetually.
What they can and what they should do are miles apart. It's outrageous that a nation as wealthy as us will not provide clean drinking water to all within our borders.
When people drill a well, there is no guarantee that the water is safe to drink. The water we had smelled not so good and turned everything yellow ... from the iron. It's easy enough to get a water test done to determine whether it's safe to drink, and easy enough to get a water dispenser if it's not safe ... or boil the water before drinking. Lots of people are in that situation from time to time ... even people in big cities.
If the water safety criteria on reserves is different than what the people find acceptable, why don't they modify the criteria. Aren't reserves self-governing? Is the problem that people on reserves want better criteria but their elected leaders aren't doing anything about it so the people want the federal gov't to step in and force their elected leaders to do something?
And many are more articulate in their speech than most "white men". I always understood that Regina is a big city. The reserve of which you speak is on Nootka Island.
Okay, so we provide water. Like we have provided housing for aboriginals. Then five years later it's all a wreck. This is as they say, is not a sustainable development.
Giving people things merely enables them. Props them up like a crutch, and they expect to keep this crutch forever. That's not what the crutch is for, but that is the logic of people living a subsistence existence-we want just enough for now, and when we need more, we'll let you know to send us more.
Barlow is an enabler, that's her psychological makeup, she is not modern. She is quite willing to use other people's money to continue patterns of dependency and enabling.
We took so much away from the first nations in the beginning, ground their traditions into mash, to please
ourselves, and make them into something they are not, then pushed them onto reservations and gave them
just enough to stay alive, while causing their deaths in other ways, forced them to speak english, took
their children away from them and pushed them into english speaking homes, and watched them lose their
pride and culture under our big thumb, and from then on we belittle them for being a broken people who
couldn't push and shove their way up the ladder of success like us, and we are still doing that, and
bravo to those first nations who have become financially successful, and good luck to those who are
still trying to get back to living as they first did, and were so happy doing it.
Of course they still ask for 'things', we made them beg for 'things', gave them 'things', then criticize
them for doing it.
Its a good and lucky thing for 'us' that they have never gained military power to return all of the
crap we hurled at them, or we would have been driven back out into the oceans, to swim home to 'jolly ole' as fast as we could.
Supply them with water, and show them how to get water on their land if necessary, thru well digging etc.
The aboriginal reserve I'm talking about is Kingcome in BC. They said on the CBC news last year during a flood that there was no access road there. Every now and then you hear there are reserves that the only way in is by boat or plane and they are not islands.
Regina is a big city if you come from a settlement of a few hundred or few thousand people. Slow, wide open spaces, and no traffic jams to speak of. Unlike the daily Trans Canada parking lot during rush hour in Metro Vancouver.
We took so much away from the first nations in the beginning, ground their traditions into mash, to please
ourselves, and make them into something they are not, then pushed them onto reservations and gave them
just enough to stay alive, while causing their deaths in other ways, forced them to speak english, took
their children away from them and pushed them into english speaking homes, and watched them lose their
pride and culture under our big thumb, and from then on we belittle them for being a broken people who
couldn't push and shove their way up the ladder of success like us, and we are still doing that, and
bravo to those first nations who have become financially successful, and good luck to those who are
still trying to get back to living as they first did, and were so happy doing it.
Of course they still ask for 'things', we made them beg for 'things', gave them 'things', then criticize
them for doing it.
Its a good and lucky thing for 'us' that they have never gained military power to return all of the
crap we hurled at them, or we would have been driven back out into the oceans, to swim home to 'jolly ole' as fast as we could.
Supply them with water, and show them how to get water on their land if necessary, thru well digging etc.
There is one major fly in your ointment of bigoted silliness - our civilization is on the verge of self destruction because we are economically and morally bankrupt, as your rants clearly show. We have raped and pillaged this planet and are now beginning to experience the blowback from 200 years of creating hell in paradise. It will be the traditional knowledge of the indigenous people that will lead us back to the wilderness (what is left of it) so the humanity can survive our own stupidity.The fur trade and hunting days are long over for everyone, to pretend they will ever return, is absurd. Those who think they will, and use resources to do so, are enablers, liars, charlatans and crooks.
Water supplies require technical and mechanical skills that aboriginals in the main do not have. They want money to pay whites to supply and maintain clean water systems. I would like that too. Aboriginals lack industry, but they want the benefits of industry without paying for it, economically or psychologically. Once you become industrious, you lose your subsistence mentality.
The fur trade and hunting days are long over for everyone, to pretend they will ever return, is absurd. Those who think they will, and use resources to do so, are enablers, liars, charlatans and crooks.
Water supplies require technical and mechanical skills that aboriginals in the main do not have. They want money to pay whites to supply and maintain clean water systems. I would like that too. Aboriginals lack industry, but they want the benefits of industry without paying for it, economically or psychologically. Once you become industrious, you lose your subsistence mentality.
And for damn good reason. The coast of British Columbia is a series of fjords that extend back into the coast mountains (some as high as 13,000') Beyond the coast mountains it's another 200 miles by crow over rugged terrain to the nearest highway, as opposed to a 30 minute trip by water or 15 minutes by air.