‘Do you have running water? I don’t and I live in Canada’
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I guess rezes don't qualify for water treatment under the Stimulus?
http://www.actionplan.gc.ca/initiatives/eng/index.asp?mode=2&initiativeID=116
http://www.actionplan.gc.ca/initiatives/eng/index.asp?mode=2&initiativeID=116
This is the first thing you've ever said, that was right.
I think Newmarket is a big city.
Are you talking about gov't housing in Tdot, or a res?
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Hmmm, open elections, undemocratic?
Hell, the system of gov't, the oldest living participatory democracy on earth, that of the Haudenosaunee, Six nations, was great. It took the Europeans to f!ck it up.
I agree, and you're excluded because you aren't party to the contract. Can I profit from the sale of your home?
They are however, Anish, Onondaga, Mohawk, Chippewa, Dokis, and so on. Your prejudice knows no bounds, lol.
Everyone has a right to clean drinking water.
Who knew you two had something in common.
You're right, I can give thousands.
They are if it's written in the contract, lol.
Is there a point to that silliness?
Choose? No.
Yes.
The fact that we're talking about something on a larger scale, aside, that's all that's being asked for.
Only there is a contract that indicates who is to pay for it.
Yes and no.
Yes and no.
I'd hazard a guess, that building water treatment facilities for the small communities in question, would be far cheaper then your silly act of fascism.
The UN aside. You do realise that Canada is subject to International law right?
Because she's not jeopardizing the sovereignty of our water, when she's talking about domestic use.
You're funny when you don't understand what you're talking about.
I bet it bugs the crap out of you when a dirty injin like me knows more about international law, law in general, history as a whole and so on, than you eh?
Purely by accident.
How many of us were forced to the communities?
Now, before you tell me that was an act in antiquity, which I agree. I moved off the res, and stay off. I questioned the portion of a youth program I'm involved in called "Living in a colonized society".
You have to understand that we have a living history. Our past, culturally, isn't just the past, it is a great part of who we are. That has draw backs. What we are talking about here, is one of those draw backs.
The positives, IMHO, out weigh the draw backs. They didn't always.
Unless of course it meant a feeling of abandoning what you have left.
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To you maybe that what this issue is about.
To me, it is much simpler.
Canada is a nation with a high standard of living, we are not a third world country. There is no sane, rational reason why anyone residing in Canada should not be able to obtain safe, clean water. I'm fairly certain that the government, through CIDA, provides support to charitable organizations that have a mandate to provide clean safe water in third world countries. In other words, our tax dollars.
Why it is such a contentious issue for the government (ie. our tax dollars) to pay, in whole or in part, for that basic standard level of living for entire communities of people within our own nation completely baffles me.
The Canadian Armed Forces have a water filtration system, that can be deployed anywhere in the world, within 48 hours. In fact it was, right after the a tsunami hit southeast Asian a few years back. While Kashechewan suffered.
Because dirty injins are involved.
I can't think of any other explanation for why someone would throw fact and reason out the window. Instead hanging onto myth, lies and innuendo perpetually.
One suggestion (and that's all it is) Perhaps when a community is first established with a handful of people there is enough potable water, but as the population grows the supply maybe insufficient and it might be cheaper to relocate the community than obtain sufficient potable water to meet the demand. :smile:
Not even in the slightest.
Moving an entire community, is costly. Take into consideration, many of these communities are fly in only. Then you have the costly logistics of packing an moving tons of belongings. Then you have to have adequate housing for the community, in the new location.
They'd still be on public assistance and there is no guarantee that they would get off it.
Then you have the iisue of substance abuse.
You know remove middlemen. Making both access and cost, more attainable.
The cost of a water treatment facility, upgrading or training, would pale in comparison, IMHO.
But we're not talking about "a" community here, but mutiple communities in various locations across the nation. That's a key difference in my view.
I've no doubt that bigotry and prejudice are behind it. It's easier, I guess, for some to hold onto "us vs them" rather than do a little introspection and evaluate simple "right vs wrong". I don't pretend to understand it.
But I also can't understand where we generally, as Canadians, can accept the fact that providing financial assistance (clean water projects, etc) to another nation assists in their development and ability to progress towards self sufficiency but are so damned resistant, again generally speaking, to the idea that it would promote the exact same thing within communities here at home. There is a flaw in the logic there for me, but I guess it just leads us right back to stereotypes and bigoted attitudes.
Okay, so we provide water. Like we have provided housing for aboriginals. Then five years later it's all a wreck. This is as they say, is not a sustainable development.
Giving people things merely enables them. Props them up like a crutch, and they expect to keep this crutch forever. That's not what the crutch is for, but that is the logic of people living a subsistence existence-we want just enough for now, and when we need more, we'll let you know to send us more.
Barlow is an enabler, that's her psychological makeup, she is not modern. She is quite willing to use other people's money to continue patterns of dependency and enabling.
I may be mistaken but I believe the yellow is actually from sulphur in the water which would also account for the smell.
The aboriginal reserve I'm talking about is Kingcome in BC. They said on the CBC news last year during a flood that there was no access road there. Every now and then you hear there are reserves that the only way in is by boat or plane and they are not islands.
Regina is a big city if you come from a settlement of a few hundred or few thousand people. Slow, wide open spaces, and no traffic jams to speak of. Unlike the daily Trans Canada parking lot during rush hour in Metro Vancouver.
We took so much away from the first nations in the beginning, ground their traditions into mash, to please
ourselves, and make them into something they are not, then pushed them onto reservations and gave them
just enough to stay alive, while causing their deaths in other ways, forced them to speak english, took
their children away from them and pushed them into english speaking homes, and watched them lose their
pride and culture under our big thumb, and from then on we belittle them for being a broken people who
couldn't push and shove their way up the ladder of success like us, and we are still doing that, and
bravo to those first nations who have become financially successful, and good luck to those who are
still trying to get back to living as they first did, and were so happy doing it.
Of course they still ask for 'things', we made them beg for 'things', gave them 'things', then criticize
them for doing it.
Its a good and lucky thing for 'us' that they have never gained military power to return all of the
crap we hurled at them, or we would have been driven back out into the oceans, to swim home to 'jolly ole' as fast as we could.
Supply them with water, and show them how to get water on their land if necessary, thru well digging etc.
The fur trade and hunting days are long over for everyone, to pretend they will ever return, is absurd. Those who think they will, and use resources to do so, are enablers, liars, charlatans and crooks.
Water supplies require technical and mechanical skills that aboriginals in the main do not have. They want money to pay whites to supply and maintain clean water systems. I would like that too. Aboriginals lack industry, but they want the benefits of industry without paying for it, economically or psychologically. Once you become industrious, you lose your subsistence mentality.
And for damn good reason. The coast of British Columbia is a series of fjords that extend back into the coast mountains (some as high as 13,000') Beyond the coast mountains it's another 200 miles by crow over rugged terrain to the nearest highway, as opposed to a 30 minute trip by water or 15 minutes by air.
I nominate you poster of the week. :smile:
There is one major fly in your ointment of bigoted silliness - our civilization is on the verge of self destruction because we are economically and morally bankrupt, as your rants clearly show. We have raped and pillaged this planet and are now beginning to experience the blowback from 200 years of creating hell in paradise. It will be the traditional knowledge of the indigenous people that will lead us back to the wilderness (what is left of it) so the humanity can survive our own stupidity.
You will probably still be trying to figure out how to open your can of Spaghetti-Os long after the power grid has gone down.