lol I suppose the Quran is also a zionist invention to misrepresent god to those in need of guidance?The bible is a zionist invention to misrepresent god to those needful of guidance.
lol I suppose the Quran is also a zionist invention to misrepresent god to those in need of guidance?The bible is a zionist invention to misrepresent god to those needful of guidance.
Is that a little or a lot? If it is a lot then wouldn't that point to it being devine, how else could anybody bat '0' on every category it covers?Christianity also conflicts with itself.
Do you have a list of where He isn't. The total number is more important the actual locations. What Atheist's call 'lack of proof' believers call 'a thorn in the side', pretty much equals the playing field. Being a Christian should mean God would give me more green traffic lights, reality would seem to point to I see more red ones and they turn red when I am less than a block away. lolIf you are going to believe in something, at least look into whether or not it has validity. Information presented is only a scratch of the surface of what I have learned over the years that lead me away from the church. The bible is pure fabrication and the church fabricated it purely for political reasons.
Are you asking me not to post replies to your own personal 'thoughts', like the above? Say it ain't so.Most christians will not read the article because they will not read anything that disputes the validity of their belief. So I don't expect them to. You obviously didn't, so your belief is unshaken. I posted this more specifically for those like MHz and herald who proselytizer their beliefs as if they are guardians of truth, when nothing could be farther from the truth. You don't proselytize so I wasn't aiming it at people like you.
Perhaps religion is the fall-guy for the ones who seem to be holding hands with Satan at His return.lol I suppose the Quran is also a zionist invention to misrepresent god to those in need of guidance?
So God wasn't messing with our heads when He put these things together to show us something 'goat-herders- could never have known.To me, any religion worth its salt would be founded on a code of behaviour rather than a codex.
lol I suppose the Quran is also a zionist invention to misrepresent god to those in need of guidance?
Or perhaps religion is just another excuse for social get-togethers. Or perhaps it is just a tool a few can use to control many in some way or other. Perhaps it is just the bureaucracy between people and their gods, as Maher suggested.Perhaps religion is the fall-guy for the ones who seem to be holding hands with Satan at His return.
Nope. There was sophisticated use of maths (the oldest one I can think of is the I Ching ( Book of Changes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )long before any books of the Bible were written.So God wasn't messing with our heads when He put these things together to show us something 'goat-herders- could never have known.
The Basic Idea
Assuming that all thirteen strips of land are the same width, or rather, assuming that Ezekiel's small-scale representation was intended to represent thirteen strips of land of the same width, we have a map that from top to bottom is:
13 x 25,000 cubits = 325,000 cubits.Now we are ready for our calculations.
Perhaps the simplest way to put it is this: If we enlarge Ezekiel's map till Ezekiel's city is the size of Revelation's New Jerusalem, then Ezekiel's map encircles the globe.
The proportion of Ezekiel's city to Revelation's New Jerusalem is the same as that of Ezekiel's map to the earth's circumference:
Ezekiel's Map / Ezekiel's City * Revelation's City = Earth's CircumferenceCalculations a Bit Off
Let's first use the furlong that most references tend to use, the English furlong of 660 feet. Since the New Jerusalem is 3,000 furlongs to a side,
660 ft. x 3,000 furlongs / (5,280 feet / mi.) = 375 mi. (603.49 km)Now we plug in the 4,500-cubit length of Ezekiel's city and the theoretical 325,000-cubit length of Ezekiel's map:
325,000 cu. / 4,500 cu. * 375 mi. = 27,083 mi. (43,585 km)This amounts to an error of just under +9%, which is close enough to be intriguing.Calculations Right On
Since the apostle John didn't live in England, he never heard of the English furlong. Instead, he used the Roman furlong. The author has found three different measurements for the Roman furlong: 606.25 feet, 606.5 feet, and 606.84 feet.Using a furlong of 606.25 feet:606.25 ft. x 3,000 furlongs / (5,280 feet / mi.) = 344.46 mi. (554.34 km)325,000 / 4,500 * 344.46 mi. = 24,878 mi. (40,036 km)This result is .071% more than the polar circumference and .098% less than the equatorial circumference.Using a furlong of 606.5 feet:606.5 ft. x 3,000 furlongs / (5,280 feet / mi.) = 344.6 mi. (554.56 km)325,000 / 4,500 * 344.6 mi. = 24,888 mi. (40,052 km)This result is .112% more than the polar circumference and .057% less than the equatorial circumference.Using a furlong of 606.84 feet:606.84 ft. x 3,000 furlongs / (5,280 feet / mi.) = 344.80 mi. (554.89)325,000 / 4,500 * 344.80 mi. = 24,902 mi. (40,075 km)This result is .170% more than the polar circumference and .0001% more than the equatorial circumference.
These extremely small margins of error make the subject more than just intriguing.
Ezekiel's City: Calculating the Earth's Circumference
Would that be proof of God?
...because just denying without reason is unjustified denial?
Cradle to the grave, alter that one.Mhz, a journey does not presuppose a destination.
How one journeys through life does not necessarily determine how one dies. Or when for that matter.Cradle to the grave, alter that one.
That same control would be there without religion. Rome was about material wealth, we live in a material world, get used to who is the worst of the worst when it comes to control by way of hidden agendas.Or perhaps religion is just another excuse for social get-togethers. Or perhaps it is just a tool a few can use to control many in some way or other. Perhaps it is just the bureaucracy between people and their gods, as Maher suggested.
If the days of creation were intended to be exponential numbers then none of the 6 creation days were of equal time, they were 16.666666666666666666666666666667% of the total instead. 4,500,000,000 years ago if you could stand on the earth you would experience night and day, strike one 0 for each of the 6 days creations were happening and the world was complete (as we know it) about 45,000 years ago.Nope. There was sophisticated use of maths (the oldest one I can think of is the I Ching ( Book of Changes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )long before any books of the Bible were written.
There were sophisticated maths from India long before the Bible was written, too.
They have the same start and end points that cannot be altered, we follow a predetermined path in that respect, what control we have determines the ups and downs (at times) most of the time it is others who influence that. Machete killers can alter the up and down portion of the path, dieing before the natural causes of old-age doesn't affect the birth-death sequence, only the time between the two.How one journeys through life does not necessarily determine how one dies. Or when for that matter.
I agree, religion is just one way that a few people use to control many. So?That same control would be there without religion. Rome was about material wealth, we live in a material world, get used to who is the worst of the worst when it comes to control by way of hidden agendas.
Huh? You mean why reject the reason it supposedly gives for there being a Bible? For the same reason one rejects the idea of gods in the first place. Do we all need a reason to be good humans? Do we need a Bible to tell us what is good or bad? No. Many good people have never read the Bible.Why reject the reason God gives for the purpose of there being a Book called the Holy Bible.
That's your adopted view of people. My view is that most people are inherently good and don't need bibles and gods to determine how to conduct themselves.From the time of Moses prophecy has been given about the 'latter days'. By God's own rules He has to tell us about things before He makes them happen. Adam and Eve were given the consequences for disobedience. Noah was given warning of the flood. Christians have the words that tell us about how the prophecies will play out. Understanding those words is on our shoulders, if we get it wrong it is our fault.
There never will be perfection as long as different people have different viewpoints from each other and there are those people that are drasticallty different from the rest: the thieves, killers, etc.Isa:42:9:
Behold,
the former things are come to pass,
and new things do I declare:
before they spring forth I tell you of them.
If He tells me not to kill (or murder by any means) and I kill (many) then perhaps I am not a Christian even though I claim to be one, even the Pope might vouch for me, that doesn't make me one, it makes him a liar.
It is the framework for a one world government under one King. It is the quality of that leadership that determines the 'fairness' the people receive. An imperfect leadership means an imperfect rule, all governments have flaws. The trick is to keep the mistakes to being as few in number as possible. Today's world is not an example of it running as smoothly as it can. Some things can be changed, there doesn't seem to be any great rush to change the things that, quite blatantly, need changing, God or no God.
People can make mathematics appear to support almost anything they want. It's like people rationalizing Nostradamus' predictions. They will search for anything that comes close to what they think supports what they interpret his predictions to be. Same with astrology, phrenology and other such matters.If the days of creation were intended to be exponential numbers then none of the 6 creation days were of equal time, they were 16.666666666666666666666666666667% of the total instead. 4,500,000,000 years ago if you could stand on the earth you would experience night and day, strike one 0 for each of the 6 days creations were happening and the world was complete (as we know it) about 45,000 years ago.
That could have been Adam's birth and Eve was born only 4,501 years ago. Adam and Christ would have been 'exploring' God's Earth (Eden).
Proverb:8:30:
Then I was by him,
as one brought up with him:
and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Proverb:8:31:
Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth;
and my delights were with the sons of men.
Proverb:8:32:
Now therefore hearken unto me,
O ye children:
for blessed are they that keep my ways.
Proverb:8:33:
Hear instruction,
and be wise,
and refuse it not.
Only one source gave these dimensions. That concept should allow the size of the New Earth to be determined by using the same expansion ratio. The rotational speed should be different if we are to maintain the 12/12 split for night/day cycles. Would that keep our weight equal to what it is today on the smaller earth? Scripture forbids me from doing the actual math, as soon as I re-find that verse I will post it, forgive me if I can't find it anytime soon.
........ yet.They have the same start and end points that cannot be altered,
If the Solders can control a population then why do they need a 2nd prong of attack.I agree, religion is just one way that a few people use to control many. So?
People aren't very good at following laws no matter who puts them in place they get broken. I wouldn't really put the last 1,000 years as being under the rule of Apostle like Christians. They (the NT) don't seem to mention water-boarding as one of the gathering tools.Huh? You mean why reject the reason it supposedly gives for there being a Bible? For the same reason one rejects the idea of gods in the first place. Do we all need a reason to be good humans? Do we need a Bible to tell us what is good or bad? No. Many good people have never read the Bible.That's your adopted view of people. My view is that most people are inherently good and don't need bibles and gods to determine how to conduct themselves.
How about the more basic social behavior that reduces all the 'common crimes', those that have more than they could ever possibly need and those that are two days away from being hungry and/or cold. The have-mores show no sign of wanting that to change (other than the gap gets more defined). Facing a crowd of 4,000 when you have 4 shells left is possible when you fight the greater number.There never will be perfection as long as different people have different viewpoints from each other and there are those people that are drasticallty different from the rest: the thieves, killers, etc.
People can make mathematics appear to support almost anything they want. It's like people rationalizing Nostradamus' predictions. They will search for anything that comes close to what they think supports what they interpret his predictions to be. Same with astrology, phrenology and other such matters.
Start with, 'in the beginning of ..... ' and if anything comes to mind then you can look for the end......... yet.
But, back to the point, just because life ends in death so far does not mean every journey has a predetermined end. What are the journeys of humankind? What is its end? Is there an end?
Is that a question? (You recognize the punctuation mark, I hope) What are you talking about? You don't think preachers can control a population? From what I've seen, there are 4 ways of controlling populations; using politics, military, religion, or combination of those.If the Solders can control a population then why do they need a 2nd prong of attack.
Sometimes. Sometimes not.Religion and government work hand in hand,
People aren't very good at following laws no matter who puts them in place they get broken. I wouldn't really put the last 1,000 years as being under the rule of Apostle like Christians. They (the NT) don't seem to mention water-boarding as one of the gathering tools.
English, please. I didn't understand half of that. Language is more than just words; it is punctuation, grammar, etc.How about the more basic social behavior that reduces all the 'common crimes', those that have more than they could ever possibly need and those that are two days away from being hungry and/or cold. The have-mores show no sign of wanting that to change (other than the gap gets more defined). Facing a crowd of 4,000 when you have 4 shells left is possible when you fight the greater number.
So?Even Romans 13 allows for two classes, the Shepherd (Government) and the Flock (Citizens) Christian are given a definition of what not-to-do and people (all races and tongues) don't get jail time for being kind to one another.
Sorry, but if the world was perfectly round and 20,000 miles around, the length of a straight path around it would be 20,000 miles.Does that mean no numbers. Say the world was 20,000 miles around and the conversion factor was about 200X. those two numbers give you the length of the path that goes around the world in a straight line. 4,000,000 miles, lol That is a lot of new homesteads.
Who determines if someone knows more than they should know? How can someone know more than they should in the first place? Don't they just know what they know?That would be proof of somebody knowing more than they should some 4500 years ago.
What about it? What's the difference between that and my prediction that some planet 40 million light years from here will be discovered and have beings who all seem like gods to us? Or how is it different from my prediction that we will find a world where insects are the dominant species?How about this verse, how many goat-herders forecast the destruction of the earth by fire that is associated with stars vanishing at the same time.
Isa:51:6:
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.
Ok. Where's the end of a Mobius strip? Where's the end of the symbol for infinity? Where are the beginnings of those? Show me the end of humanity. Show me something other than guesses.Start with, 'in the beginning of ..... ' and if anything comes to mind then you can look for the end.
So? All I see you doing is throwing out a bunch of "what ifs" and nothing that refutes the point.99 point something % of all species that we know of are extinct. The odds don't favor a very long journey for us in our current form.
Quibbling over semantics now?Being tossed about on a raging sea with no means of control is not really a journey, it is being along for the ride.
Yeah that sure shows how all journeys have a predetermined end, alright.Remember the human and dino tracks ... you know who and this friend
ob:40:13:
Hide them in the dust together;
and bind their faces in secret.
Job:40:14:
Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee.
Job:40:15:
Behold now behemoth,
which I made with thee;
he eateth grass as an ox.
Job:40:16:
Lo now,
his strength is in his loins,
and his force is in the navel of his belly.
Job:40:17:
He moveth his tail like a cedar:
the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
Job:40:18:
His bones are as strong pieces of brass;
his bones are like bars of iron.
1 times around=20,000 milesSorry, but if the world was perfectly round and 20,000 miles around, the length of a straight path around it would be 20,000 miles.