20,000 Muslims Attack a Church in Cairo
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First off, It is good to take what you see in the "mainstream" media with a grain of salt. Kudos to you.
Secondly, don't forget that "non-mainstream" media has its own agendas and bias as well with political motives and manuevering.
Every big mainstream thing once started as non-mainstream and worked its way up.
So be sure to take a grain of salt with EVERYTHING you read. For instance, Global Research has its own pretty heady bias.
It is very much the opposite of Fox News in content. But its also equally as biased to their own viewpoint with their own twists on reality and fudges of the facts.
You pick one of the elephants legs consistantly this was not characterized by you as a religious problem it was specified as a characteristic of Muslims and that is catagoricaly wrong. I certainly don't mind strong critisism of religious intolerance however I can easily find ten million crimes committed by Christians and Jews operating high tech murder machines targeting primarily Muslims, mostly of the non combatant types. No such comparable excesses can be attributed to any national religious movement. The conclusive statistical evidence supports my position. You have a problem with religion, fine. So it is managed by some high tech miracle to eliminate the Muslim horde, the Christians and Jews and Hindus would erect a statue in your honour, postumously most likely. I find it strange that you would do the work of the most powerful religions. Don't feel bad, most of us have tiny self defeating flaws.:smile:
And the Klu Klux Klan has big crosses at all of their meetings.
If you can explain to me why Coptics who convert to Islam are still harrassed in the same way as if they were Christian if its all about religion then that will suffice as evidence.
Were they not Muslims?
Nothing organizes people and gets them doing bad things like religion.
Why should religion be tolerated? Paedophilia, murder, larceny, extortion etc are not tolerated so why should religion be?
Certainly as can I but so what? The topic is the post I made and that it isn't real journalism because, according to you, it used the m word.
Why would you think i wouldn't want to eliminate the other religious hordes too? Whatever gave you the impression I was picking sides?
I think all religions should be gotten rid of. Not through violence either but through education.
My point exactly.
So Coptics that convert to Islam are held up in churches and shouted at?
Cliffy, I think they kill for god, he/she/it tells them to, actually bribes them with heavenly rewards, at least perhaps in their minds it makes some sence.
then every killing from not beliefs like killed for hard cash become sake for the Atheism
and all deflowering from not in beliefs become from Atheism If it for Greed in the people
and all gay not in beliefs become from Atheism
then the Atheism may not be all bad but they seem to breed much from bad ethics
much from the atheists from the good ethics
willing to kill for their bad ethics ...:-(
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Hey there pumpkin you might have noticed the headline was 20,000 Muslims not 20,000 atheists.
When was the last time an atheist blew themselves up or burned a witch?
The most vile and despicable religions on earth are those born from Abraham: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. They are despicable, vile, and drenched in blood. Nothing atheists have done comes anywhere near as bad as them!
I can do the headline was 40,000 atheists
the Lie in the numbers it is easy ...;-)
there is the maffia !!!
no the soviet was killing the millions from the people more them from muslims too
I know you can. It's already been established lying comes easy to you ;-)
They're catholic.
I'll give you that out of the big three Islam is the least offensive.
Stalin was educated in a Christian school and trained to be a priest.
I can but not do it
096.015
Sahih International: No! If he does not desist, We will surely drag him by the forelock -
Sahih International: A lying, sinning forelock
It's lying very hard to me
but it easy for same people how told you there 20000 ?
If Islam he least offensive why you more hate on islam more from the other ?
but staying the soviet them atheists
Thank you, Zzarchov. I appreciate your well-meant advice. But as you know, we people have no other way of finding the truth except by reading various sources. I have found Global Research to be intelligent, factual and non-slanderous. What I like is the extended research they do when presenting a given topic. They broaden the reader's understanding by presenting relevant background information; it is like filling in a picture with colourful details.
Basically, I do agree with you. Thanks for taking the time to warn me.
My god, the riots that would break out everywhere if it had been 20,000 christians attacking a mosque
Cliffy - no - it wasn't the first crusades - the first crusades weren't only about Europeans having too many 2nd 3rd and 4th sons, and having nothing for them to do, it was about Islam taking over Christian Holy places. While we may not think that those in the Middle Ages behaved in a very Christian like manner - they really believed they were doing the right thing by going to reclaim the Christian holy places. Just like all the Muslims who took over Christian countries (oops - liberated them and gave them the chance to embrace the 5 pillars), and extracted taxes (not to mention slaves) from all who decided that they didn't want to convert. Ain't no one holy here Cliffy - And as far as why did they attack the church - if this is a true story? Maybe it had something to do with a resurgence of 'old' Islam. One of the rules (along with the djimmi tax thing) was that Jews and Christians could keep their places of worship, but couldn't add to them or build new ones - or repair them. Think of it Cliffy - all this talk about how Islam 'respects' people of the book. during the middle ages the Muslims took over the Hagia Sofia and made it a mosque- and never gave it back to the people they stole it from. Now Turkey is a secular country but they still haven't given it back - they just made it into a museum. I know you have no use for religion, but there are those who aren't extremists, who just believe. this church was an important part for centuries to many Eastern Christians. if there is so much 'respect' for people of the book, shouldn't they give it back? But hey - it was made into a mosque. Guess that changes things - just as that impromptu 'mosque making' did.
In Saudi Arabia a few years ago a group of school girls died in a fire in their school - they were trying to escape but were unable to. why? the religious 'police' wouldn't let them out because they weren't sure if the girls would be 'modest',with their heads covered. and then there's the Taliban who denied girls an education, would not let woidows work to support their families, and didn't have a problem with nasty old men marrying girls who had just reached puberty. don't even get me going on female genital mutilation (yes - I know the argument - it's cultural, not Islamic - but where are the Mullahs rising up and protesting the practice - some of the countries that are still not discouraging this practice have been Muslim since the Prophet! Surely if the Mullahs had disagreed with it, they would have banned it by now. And then there is the stoning of women who have been raped (yes - to prove she's been raped, she needs a male witness who heard her protest? Excuse me??) If someone heard her he would have come to help - and what if no one was around. OH! That's right! They should have been at home - inside - no freedom- but hey - at least safe from the men that are so weak that they'll attack you if you commit the crime of actually leaving your prison - and then you get the blame for their weakness) Truth betold? Most likely they never scream because they know it's not going to help. I could go on - and yes, I do know that Christianity has had it's more than fair share of religious bullying - and quite frankly I find most atheists to be pompous twits who are just as likely to err morally as the rest of us flawed humans - but for you to blame the ills of society at the door of atheism is just as bad as those who lay all the problems of the world at the door of your faith. It's stupid. We have q choice to behave how we wish to behave. I was brought up Christian. I'm not. I'm not an atheist either. I've brought up my children to be good, moral people. They are - and it has nothing to do with religion - or the lack thereof.
....and a lot of the protesting would have been by other Christians.
Compare that to denying it ever happened.
A Pakistani militant group apparently used an Indian operative as far back as 2007 to scout targets for the elaborate plot against India's financial capital, authorities said Thursday, a blow to Indian officials who have blamed the deadly attacks entirely on Pakistani extremists.
Can't we all just be friends? Muslims attack and Jews Hindus attack Christians. What happened in India should never had happened. Also Thursday, police said there were signs that some of the six victims of the attack on a Jewish center may have been tortured. "The victims were strangled," said Rakesh Maria, a senior Mumbai police official. "There were injuries noticed on the bodies that were not from firing."
India names Pakistani masterminds, date plot to 07 - Yahoo! News
Now some of you hmmmm I'll be nice idiots blame the U.S. for the India Pakistani problem, they did not divide India, the Brits did. Relgion's of peace bah.
Can't we all just be friends? Muslims attack and Jews Hindus attack Christians. What happened in India should never had happened. Also Thursday, police said there were signs that some of the six victims of the attack on a Jewish center may have been tortured. "The victims were strangled," said Rakesh Maria, a senior Mumbai police official. "There were injuries noticed on the bodies that were not from firing."
India names Pakistani masterminds, date plot to 07 - Yahoo! News
Now some of you hmmmm I'll be nice idiots blame the U.S. for the India Pakistani problem, they did not divide India, the Brits did. Relgion's of peace bah.
That's is something people tend to forget. This isn't a "modern" religious clash, but goes back ~800 yrs.