The Padre
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Location: Ontario
April 28th, 2007, 07:44 PM
But even so, my dear child, everyone who seeks God is forgiven by Him. His love is boundless and His mercy unfathomable.
St. Mary Magdalene was not accepted as a "prostitute", but for her own self. And as for her lifestyle, that our Lord asked her to surrender, to "sin no more". In fact, despite the very secular mis-interpretation of the Gospels, Jesus mentions sin far more than He does love. Accepting a person as a being in God does not mean to suggest that God condones that persons behaviour, or that He is suggesting that behaviour should continue.
I sense there is more to your questions than is apparent on a public forum. Please feel free, for any reason, to PM me and I can give you my e-mail address if you wish to share in private. I will not rain down fire and brimstone on you, I assure you. Nor will I judge you. I can promise to offer you an "ear"(as far as one can do so online
), and perhaps offer what small amount of advice as you may require.
Quoting Chukcha
Chuckcha, we are all, essentially , good people. This includes homosexuals. I actually have a childhood friend who lives in the homosexual lifestyle. He is a fine, upstanding man. What is disliked, not hated, is the behaviour. In short, we are taught that all sexual activity outside the bonds of Holy Matrimony, is a sin in the eyes of God. It violates the trust we have in one another as man and wife, and as people trying to live in a manner best pleasing to God. In short, the classic cliche "hate the sin, love the sinner".
Question to Sanctus.
Sorry, didn't have time to read ALL the comments in this topic.
But as far as I understand, you as a Christian, don't consider Gays as good people. Correct me if I am wrong please.
Sorry, didn't have time to read ALL the comments in this topic.
But as far as I understand, you as a Christian, don't consider Gays as good people. Correct me if I am wrong please.
Quoting Chukcha
I am not certain I accept it is a "fact" that a homosexual person is born disposed to living as a homosexual. I am sure there are genetic factors, but can't say for certain to my own satisfaction, yet.
Also, as much as I understand about Jesus, who said that all people are good, and everyone deserves the forgivness, that would include gays, I assume. Well, if it was easy enough to fogive the murderer, who asked for forgiveness, why would it be any exclusion for gays, especially knowing the fact that they are born that way, they not trying to be different.
I would think, that if Mary Magdalene was accepted as prostitute, considering she wasn't born that way, but was trying to earn for living, gays can be accepted too then.
I respect your opinion, Sanctus, it is very important for me to hear your answer.
I would think, that if Mary Magdalene was accepted as prostitute, considering she wasn't born that way, but was trying to earn for living, gays can be accepted too then.
I respect your opinion, Sanctus, it is very important for me to hear your answer.
But even so, my dear child, everyone who seeks God is forgiven by Him. His love is boundless and His mercy unfathomable.
St. Mary Magdalene was not accepted as a "prostitute", but for her own self. And as for her lifestyle, that our Lord asked her to surrender, to "sin no more". In fact, despite the very secular mis-interpretation of the Gospels, Jesus mentions sin far more than He does love. Accepting a person as a being in God does not mean to suggest that God condones that persons behaviour, or that He is suggesting that behaviour should continue.
I sense there is more to your questions than is apparent on a public forum. Please feel free, for any reason, to PM me and I can give you my e-mail address if you wish to share in private. I will not rain down fire and brimstone on you, I assure you. Nor will I judge you. I can promise to offer you an "ear"(as far as one can do so online
), and perhaps offer what small amount of advice as you may require.
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Posts: 215
April 28th, 2007, 07:49 PM
Quoting sanctus
Thanks Sanctus.
Chuckcha, we are all, essentially , good people. This includes homosexuals. I actually have a childhood friend who lives in the homosexual lifestyle. He is a fine, upstanding man. What is disliked, not hated, is the behaviour. In short, we are taught that all sexual activity outside the bonds of Holy Matrimony, is a sin in the eyes of God. It violates the trust we have in one another as man and wife, and as people trying to live in a manner best pleasing to God. In short, the classic cliche "hate the sin, love the sinner".
I am not certain I accept it is a "fact" that a homosexual person is born disposed to living as a homosexual. I am sure there are genetic factors, but can't say for certain to my own satisfaction, yet.
But even so, my dear child, everyone who seeks God is forgiven by Him. His love is boundless and His mercy unfathomable.
St. Mary Magdalene was not accepted as a "prostitute", but for her own self. And as for her lifestyle, that our Lord asked her to surrender, to "sin no more". In fact, despite the very secular mis-interpretation of the Gospels, Jesus mentions sin far more than He does love. Accepting a person as a being in God does not mean to suggest that God condones that persons behaviour, or that He is suggesting that behaviour should continue.
I sense there is more to your questions than is apparent on a public forum. Please feel free, for any reason, to PM me and I can give you my e-mail address if you wish to share in private. I will not rain down fire and brimstone on you, I assure you. Nor will I judge you. I can promise to offer you an "ear"(as far as one can do so online ), and perhaps offer what small amount of advice as you may require.
I am not certain I accept it is a "fact" that a homosexual person is born disposed to living as a homosexual. I am sure there are genetic factors, but can't say for certain to my own satisfaction, yet.
But even so, my dear child, everyone who seeks God is forgiven by Him. His love is boundless and His mercy unfathomable.
St. Mary Magdalene was not accepted as a "prostitute", but for her own self. And as for her lifestyle, that our Lord asked her to surrender, to "sin no more". In fact, despite the very secular mis-interpretation of the Gospels, Jesus mentions sin far more than He does love. Accepting a person as a being in God does not mean to suggest that God condones that persons behaviour, or that He is suggesting that behaviour should continue.
I sense there is more to your questions than is apparent on a public forum. Please feel free, for any reason, to PM me and I can give you my e-mail address if you wish to share in private. I will not rain down fire and brimstone on you, I assure you. Nor will I judge you. I can promise to offer you an "ear"(as far as one can do so online
), and perhaps offer what small amount of advice as you may require.
Electoral Member
Posts: 834
Location: Red Deer AB
Location: Red Deer AB
April 28th, 2007, 10:14 PM
Lu:8:2:
And certain women,
which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities,
Mary called Magdalene,
out of whom went seven devils,
There certainly isn't anything in the previous chapter that identifies Mary as the woman who Jesus says "Thy sins are forgiven" to. There is no relation to having 'sins forgiven' and ' healed of evil spirits and infirmities'. Is it a sin to be possessed? Infirmities would indicate an injured or broken body, when did having a broken body a sin?
Do the two names given in the next verse just come from nowhere where nothing was written about how they came to be followers?
Lu:8:3:
And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward,
and Susanna,
and many others,
which ministered unto him of their substance.
How do you know it wasn't Susanna in the previous chapter? What about Joanna, the woman Jesus saved from being stoned was married, but not mentioned by name, and here you have a married woman that is one of Jesus's followers.
How is it proved that Mary Magdalene was more important to Jesus than this other Mary.
Joh:11:2:
(It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment,
and wiped his feet with her hair,
whose brother Lazarus was sick.)
Joh:11:5:
Now Jesus loved Martha,
and her sister,
and Lazarus.
Vs:2 is not a reference to the verses from Luke, it is a reference to these verses,
Joh:12:3:
Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard,
very costly,
and anointed the feet of Jesus,
and wiped his feet with her hair:
and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.
Joh:12:4:
Then saith one of his disciples,
Judas Iscariot,
Simon's son,
which should betray him,
Joh:12:5:
Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence,
and given to the poor?
Joh:12:6:
This he said,
not that he cared for the poor;
but because he was a thief,
and had the bag,
and bare what was put therein.
Joh:12:7:
Then said Jesus,
Let her alone:
against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
This is the same Mary also,
Lu:10:41:
And Jesus answered and said unto her,
Martha,
Martha,
thou art careful and troubled about many things:
Lu:10:42:
But one thing is needful:
and Mary hath chosen that good part,
which shall not be taken away from her.
Joh:11:32:
Then when Mary was come where Jesus was,
and saw him,
she fell down at his feet,
saying unto him,
Lord,
if thou hadst been here,
my brother had not died.
Joh:11:33:
When Jesus therefore saw her weeping,
and the Jews also weeping which came with her,
he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,
It was Mary's words and tears that caused Jesus to groan, not Lazarus's death, He groaned over that when He came to Lazarus's tomb.
Sorry for the getting off topic but if names are going to be tossed around they might as well be the right ones.
Quoting sanctus
Mary had 7 devils cast out of her, where is anything said about her being a prostitute?
St. Mary Magdalene was not accepted as a "prostitute", but for her own self. And as for her lifestyle, that our Lord asked her to surrender, to "sin no more". In fact, despite the very secular mis-interpretation of the Gospels, Jesus mentions sin far more than He does love. Accepting a person as a being in God does not mean to suggest that God condones that persons behaviour, or that He is suggesting that behaviour should continue.
Lu:8:2:
And certain women,
which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities,
Mary called Magdalene,
out of whom went seven devils,
There certainly isn't anything in the previous chapter that identifies Mary as the woman who Jesus says "Thy sins are forgiven" to. There is no relation to having 'sins forgiven' and ' healed of evil spirits and infirmities'. Is it a sin to be possessed? Infirmities would indicate an injured or broken body, when did having a broken body a sin?
Do the two names given in the next verse just come from nowhere where nothing was written about how they came to be followers?
Lu:8:3:
And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward,
and Susanna,
and many others,
which ministered unto him of their substance.
How do you know it wasn't Susanna in the previous chapter? What about Joanna, the woman Jesus saved from being stoned was married, but not mentioned by name, and here you have a married woman that is one of Jesus's followers.
How is it proved that Mary Magdalene was more important to Jesus than this other Mary.
Joh:11:2:
(It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment,
and wiped his feet with her hair,
whose brother Lazarus was sick.)
Joh:11:5:
Now Jesus loved Martha,
and her sister,
and Lazarus.
Vs:2 is not a reference to the verses from Luke, it is a reference to these verses,
Joh:12:3:
Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard,
very costly,
and anointed the feet of Jesus,
and wiped his feet with her hair:
and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.
Joh:12:4:
Then saith one of his disciples,
Judas Iscariot,
Simon's son,
which should betray him,
Joh:12:5:
Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence,
and given to the poor?
Joh:12:6:
This he said,
not that he cared for the poor;
but because he was a thief,
and had the bag,
and bare what was put therein.
Joh:12:7:
Then said Jesus,
Let her alone:
against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
This is the same Mary also,
Lu:10:41:
And Jesus answered and said unto her,
Martha,
Martha,
thou art careful and troubled about many things:
Lu:10:42:
But one thing is needful:
and Mary hath chosen that good part,
which shall not be taken away from her.
Joh:11:32:
Then when Mary was come where Jesus was,
and saw him,
she fell down at his feet,
saying unto him,
Lord,
if thou hadst been here,
my brother had not died.
Joh:11:33:
When Jesus therefore saw her weeping,
and the Jews also weeping which came with her,
he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,
It was Mary's words and tears that caused Jesus to groan, not Lazarus's death, He groaned over that when He came to Lazarus's tomb.
Sorry for the getting off topic but if names are going to be tossed around they might as well be the right ones.
disturber of the peace
Posts: 1,546
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada...after growing up in Thunder Bay, Ontario.
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada...after growing up in Thunder Bay, Ontario.
April 28th, 2007, 10:17 PM
Quoting s243a
What the hell are you talking about??
In my opinion, far to many otherwise why would we have ideologies like communism and environmentalism that want to make everyone poor.
Les
Posts: 6,049
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
April 28th, 2007, 10:19 PM
Quoting s243a
Here ya go, S. http://www.seekgod.ca/htwhatsinaname.htm
This is catholic teaching? Then how come my Google search: "Joshua bar-Jonah" turns up nothing?
http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22Jos...ient=firefox-a
http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22Jos...ient=firefox-a
The Padre
Posts: 4,558
Location: Ontario
Location: Ontario
April 28th, 2007, 10:20 PM
Quoting snfu73
Forget asking. Pangloss and I spend a bit of time trying to understand him this afternoon. It only got so confusing that I for one was steadily amazed at his..shall we say..odd posts.
What the hell are you talking about??
Les
Posts: 6,049
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
April 28th, 2007, 10:22 PM
Quoting Daz_Hockey
I hear a tone once in a while, but I think that has to do with the equalisation of pressure around the inner ear. I already ruled out tinnitus.
Although. my friend (the Phd student) did also suggest that we all, certainly almost on a daily basis, hear voices in our heads (and these could certainly be speculated as the voice of god)...he suggests he often wakes to hear a banging noise, which apparently is only in his head....
I think perhaps he also drinks a tad too much lol.
I think perhaps he also drinks a tad too much lol.
The Padre
Posts: 4,558
Location: Ontario
Location: Ontario
April 28th, 2007, 10:27 PM
Quoting L Gilbert
Respectfully, I wouldn't trust as reliable the accuracy of that material since it comes from a "born-again" perspective.
Here ya go, S. http://www.seekgod.ca/htwhatsinaname.htm
Les
Posts: 6,049
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
April 28th, 2007, 10:29 PM
Oh. Well, a partial point to posting that was that I had no problem finding the info.
Howzzis? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ob&btnG=Search
Oh. Well, a partial point to posting that was that I had no problem finding the info.
Howzzis? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ob&btnG=Search
The Padre
Posts: 4,558
Location: Ontario
Location: Ontario
April 28th, 2007, 10:42 PM
Quoting L Gilbert
Groovy!
Oh. Well, a partial point to posting that was that I had no problem finding the info.
Howzzis? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ob&btnG=Search
Howzzis? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ob&btnG=Search
