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4 weeks ago
How come none of them want to know anything about the history of the bible and why it was put together in the form it is?
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#3Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks ago
If God is a loving and caring God full of understanding and acceptance how come he
allows so many people who claim to represent him to be narrow minded, morally
bankrupt and, completely off Gods message of compassion and forgiveness? I think
that is somewhat a good starting point.
And no, I am not anti church or God, I just here all the evangelical whack jobs who
completely distort the message and spew all manner of foul views as it were and
then they have the Gaul to say God loves us. Well they claim to represent God and
yet their image distorts everything God stand for.
allows so many people who claim to represent him to be narrow minded, morally
bankrupt and, completely off Gods message of compassion and forgiveness? I think
that is somewhat a good starting point.
And no, I am not anti church or God, I just here all the evangelical whack jobs who
completely distort the message and spew all manner of foul views as it were and
then they have the Gaul to say God loves us. Well they claim to represent God and
yet their image distorts everything God stand for.
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#4Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
What do you mean "none of them". Don't you really mean none that you are aware of?How come none of them want to know anything about the history of the bible and why it was put together in the form it is?
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#5Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks ago
I would like to hear the sirens from the firetrucks because it was burning to the ground to be replaced with somthing useful like a 7-11 or a Chinese restaurant.
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#6Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by adopted
Usually you can tell by the name of the church, but the first question I would ask to confirm the church's legitimacy would be: "Is Jesus God?".If you walked into a Christian church off the street, what question would you like to hear answered?
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#7Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick
Chines restaurants are more useful than Catholic Charities? You have pretty goofy priorities.I would like to hear the sirens from the firetrucks because it was burning to the ground to be replaced with somthing useful like a 7-11 or a Chinese restaurant.
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Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks ago
Probably the same question I usually wonder when I'm in a church - 'Are you (ie, the minister) a decent human being with compassion, or are you a pedantic hypocritical moron?'
Most 'born again' ministers, and about half of the Catholic priests that I've met fall into the pedantic hypocritical moron category.
Most 'born again' ministers, and about half of the Catholic priests that I've met fall into the pedantic hypocritical moron category.
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#11Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks ago
Many already know why the Bible was put together the way it is. After the death of
Christ, there were four main leaders fighting for political control of the church as we
know it. They allowed the writing of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John and excluded
everyone Else's writings. The reason they often conflict with one another is merely
patch work to keep the church together.
Some say, Timothy for example was quite left wing, I believe they call them something
like Messianic Jews, at that time. See Christ didn't regard himself as a Christian he in his
mind was a Jew who wanted a reformation of sorts The religion was taken over by the
non Jews and sent off in another direction.
The Bible has been written a number of times. one of the Roman Emperors converted
to use Christ as the inspiration for victory in war. No doubt there were others who
found ways to profit. Pope Gregory takes the cake though. He turn Christs reformed
sinner girlfriend and turned her into a prostitute forgiven by Christ.
Before Gregory she apparently was not referred to as a prostitute.
He also sold shares that automatically got you a pass to Heaven. That money was
used to build the Vatican. Hmmm sound like the Mafia was already forming doesn't it.
Christ, there were four main leaders fighting for political control of the church as we
know it. They allowed the writing of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John and excluded
everyone Else's writings. The reason they often conflict with one another is merely
patch work to keep the church together.
Some say, Timothy for example was quite left wing, I believe they call them something
like Messianic Jews, at that time. See Christ didn't regard himself as a Christian he in his
mind was a Jew who wanted a reformation of sorts The religion was taken over by the
non Jews and sent off in another direction.
The Bible has been written a number of times. one of the Roman Emperors converted
to use Christ as the inspiration for victory in war. No doubt there were others who
found ways to profit. Pope Gregory takes the cake though. He turn Christs reformed
sinner girlfriend and turned her into a prostitute forgiven by Christ.
Before Gregory she apparently was not referred to as a prostitute.
He also sold shares that automatically got you a pass to Heaven. That money was
used to build the Vatican. Hmmm sound like the Mafia was already forming doesn't it.
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#12Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks ago
If you claim to follow Yeshua the Nazarene, why are you not pacifists?
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#13Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by adopted
I would like a person to say,I am so and so and you are always welcome here.If you walked into a Christian church off the street, what question would you like to hear answered?
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4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by adopted
There are only two circumstances under which I'll enter a Christian church, to attend a ceremony, like a wedding, funeral, baptism, and so forth, involving people I care about who want me to be there--not the sort of conditions under which a tactful person asks difficult questions--or to admire something about the architecture or artwork in it. I'd happily visit St. Peter's in Rome for that latter reason, for instance. And if the Pope happened by, I'd like an answer to the question Christopher Hitchens I think phrased best: why did heaven watch humanity struggling and suffering and dying for the better part of at least 100 millennia, possibly as many as 200 (not that it makes any real difference), and only then decide to intervene, by sending a message not to anyplace with a civilization that can read and write and has figured out something about how to think and spread a message, but to one of the most ignorant and least literate groups of people on the planet? Wothehell could the strategy have been, lets set this up so the message gets spread as slowly as possible with maximal chances of being corrupted?If you walked into a Christian church off the street, what question would you like to hear answered?
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4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by Spade
Then what about the sin of omission - Doing nothing while people die? And if you take action where do you begin and where does it stop?If you claim to follow Yeshua the Nazarene, why are you not pacifists?
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4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
I can't get good take-out from a catholic charity.Chines restaurants are more useful than Catholic Charities? You have pretty goofy priorities.
Not that their is much charity in the catholic church. They are the single richest organization in the world with assets that make the combined worth of Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Donald Trump and the Queen look paltry. If they were so damn charitable they would give all of it to charity. What the bell does the pope need a robe with 18 karat gold thread for in his million dollar apartment.
Quote: Originally Posted by In Between Man
Jesus was a Jewish guy with a messianic complex.Usually you can tell by the name of the church, but the first question I would ask to confirm the church's legitimacy would be: "Is Jesus God?".
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#17Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick
Would YOU want to walk in and see him naked?...What the bell does the pope need a robe with 18 karat gold thread for in his million dollar apartment.
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#18Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by In Between Man
Usually you can tell by the name of the church, but the first question I would ask to confirm the church's legitimacy would be: "Is Jesus God?".
I would think a logical question would be, 'Is a person who is serially unfaithful to his spouse(s) worthy of elected office?'
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4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by lone wolf
Touche!Would YOU want to walk in and see him naked?
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4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
How come none of them want to know anything about the history of the bible and why it was put together in the form it is?
Why would you expect to learn any of that in a church?
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#21Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks ago
wow, thanks for all the answers.
i do find it unfortunate that Christ's gospel has been so twisted by so many people.
if we see the true Christ, we know that He is the answer to all of our problems (the biggest of which is the coming wrath of God).
i do find it unfortunate that Christ's gospel has been so twisted by so many people.
if we see the true Christ, we know that He is the answer to all of our problems (the biggest of which is the coming wrath of God).
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#22Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by adopted
I thought he was supposed to be god. Basically what I hear you saying is, "lick god's boots or he will whack you on the head with a 2X4".wow, thanks for all the answers.
i do find it unfortunate that Christ's gospel has been so twisted by so many people.
if we see the true Christ, we know that He is the answer to all of our problems (the biggest of which is the coming wrath of God).
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
If they knew, there wouldn't be any churches.Why would you expect to learn any of that in a church?
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#23Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
No, it's impossible for us to "lick his boots" or do anything for him. He doesn't need anything from us. He's the Savior, and we're crazy to reject his salvation.I thought he was supposed to be god. Basically what I hear you saying is, "lick god's boots or he will whack you on the head with a 2X4". (snip).
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#24Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
Jesus said that if you even look at another woman with lust that you are an adulterer, because you've committed adultery in your heart. Unless you're an incredible individual, you've surely looked at another woman other than your wife with lust. You're guilty of adultery just like Newt.I would think a logical question would be, 'Is a person who is serially unfaithful to his spouse(s) worthy of elected office?'
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4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by adopted
He seems to demand a lot of praise and worship; what's that about then?He doesn't need anything from us.
Quote: Originally Posted by In Between Man
Thought crime too, eh? Jesus was wrong, it just means you're human.Jesus said that if you even look at another woman with lust that you are an adulterer...
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#26Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister
It's merely reasonable. But you'd need to understand the basics of the Holy God to realize that. People in our culture have no problem devoting their praise and worship to depraved cultural icons. What about the Creator?He seems to demand a lot of praise and worship; what's that about then?
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister
Yes, you're human with a disease called human nature... hence, the need for the Gospel.Thought crime too, eh? Jesus was wrong, it just means you're human.
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4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister
Any problems with what Jesus taught?He seems to demand a lot of praise and worship; what's that about then?
Thought crime too, eh? Jesus was wrong, it just means you're human.
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4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by adopted
Your god created you with human nature. We didn't develop it on our own, did we? Or is creation a fallacy and we evolved our human nature? If our human nature is a disease, who's fault is it, unless the one who created us?It's merely reasonable. But you'd need to understand the basics of the Holy God to realize that. People in our culture have no problem devoting their praise and worship to depraved cultural icons. What about the Creator?
Yes, you're human with a disease called human nature... hence, the need for the Gospel.
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#29Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks ago
I am a retired Catholic, I gave up on this stuff a long time ago, religion is not about
the human spirit it is about the politics of society for the orderly manipulation of things.
The church is the focal point, and if you do not subscribe, then you are not part of
Gods family and you will burn in hell. Well if there is a hell I will bet there are a lot of
those front pew people who are going to char with wall with their leftovers.
I would think that even God left the church a long time ago.
For those who talk about suffering in the world, well the free will thing is the first step
to put you and the Good Lord at a distance. Of course Adam and Even started all the
trouble sampling those apples. There are a thousand excuses in the Christian faith and
the others for that matter.
The issue of Christ being God and vice verse, you have to buy into the Blessed Trinity
concept, which of course is another mystery of God. Anything that cannot be explained
is a mystery of God. Translation, we don't have an answer yet but we are thinking
about it.
Actually I do not deny the existence of God, I just deny the fact that these churches have
anything to do with God. They are the propaganda ministry of politics to keep people
from looking inside ourselves. Originally the church was not an issue as the religion
taught that each person was a temple of God. The problem is there was no money in
that. If you can't get the people into the church you can't pass the collection plate.
I suppose if I was joining a church, I would ask which party God belonged to and does
He believe in democracy according to the teachings of the specific church.
I would like to know who I am really funding.
the human spirit it is about the politics of society for the orderly manipulation of things.
The church is the focal point, and if you do not subscribe, then you are not part of
Gods family and you will burn in hell. Well if there is a hell I will bet there are a lot of
those front pew people who are going to char with wall with their leftovers.
I would think that even God left the church a long time ago.
For those who talk about suffering in the world, well the free will thing is the first step
to put you and the Good Lord at a distance. Of course Adam and Even started all the
trouble sampling those apples. There are a thousand excuses in the Christian faith and
the others for that matter.
The issue of Christ being God and vice verse, you have to buy into the Blessed Trinity
concept, which of course is another mystery of God. Anything that cannot be explained
is a mystery of God. Translation, we don't have an answer yet but we are thinking
about it.
Actually I do not deny the existence of God, I just deny the fact that these churches have
anything to do with God. They are the propaganda ministry of politics to keep people
from looking inside ourselves. Originally the church was not an issue as the religion
taught that each person was a temple of God. The problem is there was no money in
that. If you can't get the people into the church you can't pass the collection plate.
I suppose if I was joining a church, I would ask which party God belonged to and does
He believe in democracy according to the teachings of the specific church.
I would like to know who I am really funding.
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Re: What would YOU want to hear at church?
4 weeks agoQuote: Originally Posted by adopted
It's merely reasonable. But you'd need to understand the basics of the Holy God to realize that. People in our culture have no problem devoting their praise and worship to depraved cultural icons. What about the Creator?
Yes, you're human with a disease called human nature... hence, the need for the Gospel.
What about all those poor souls that happen to worship in
some other religion that happens to not be the one you
follow? Are they all doomed for following (in your opinion)
false idols or God's or whatever?
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