What would YOU want to hear at church?


adopted
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#61
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

Haven't you learned yet that you should be suspicious of claims that sound too good to be true? Not quite free either, is it. You have to agree to be subservient to an absolute authority that can convict you of thought crime even while you sleep, that condemns you for being merely human, that by any logic I understand knowingly created you sick and demands you be well, and if you refuse this kind offer of an unyielding certainty and total subservience, it's the fires of Hell for you. That's not a gift, that's a cup of poison. You can choose such slavery if it suits you, but for me, no thanks, I'll take my chances on my own.

You're babbling on about the gospel, of which you apparently have no understanding, so you might save face by instead talking about something you do understand.

He's not "convicting me of thought crime even while I sleep." Rather, "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." (Romans 8:1).

I joyfully agree to be subservient to the one good master. We're all a slave to something. Only some of us are a slave to the Good Master.

He didn't "create me sick." I inherited a disease from my father Adam, as did you... if it were not so, God would have had to break his promise upon their disobedience -- and He is not a promise-breaker.
 
karrie
#62
Quote: Originally Posted by adoptedView Post

I didn't ask, "what would you want to hear me say in this forum"... I said," what would you want to hear at church?" The reason I asked, is so that I could go straight to my pastor and ask him to answer these questions in a sermon at church!

yeah, which one of these questions have you felt YOU need an answer to?
 
adopted
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#63
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Anyway at a church I would like to hear the wind in the trees, and I bloody well could because in fact a church is not a goddman building, it is the lords house and the lord lives in you, in the temple, christ does not and cannot live in a bloody brick building.

You are correct that God doesn't live in brick buildings, but in human hearts. It just so turns out that human beings, when not outdoors, spend time indoors -- in houses, at school, and in church buildings. Biblical Christians refer to the church as the fellowship of saints, the bride of Christ, and none claim that God needs a building.

Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

yeah, which one of these questions have you felt YOU need an answer to?

I wrestle with questions like this all the time. I'm not ignoring or censoring anything. I'm the one who invited your answers in the first place, remember?
 
darkbeaver
#64
Quote: Originally Posted by adoptedView Post

You are correct that God doesn't live in brick buildings, but in human hearts. It just so turns out that human beings, when not outdoors, spend time indoors -- in houses, at school, and in church buildings. Biblical Christians refer to the church as the fellowship of saints, the bride of Christ, and none claim that God needs a building.



I wrestle with questions like this all the time. I'm not ignoring or censoring anything. I'm the one who invited your answers in the first place, remember?

The heart is a pump made of carnal flesh, god lives in the self conscious mind of man. Christs bride is matter, reread the wedding. I enjoy religious talk and I like religious people. At least they know there's something missing in their lives.
 
lone wolf
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#65
No.... Actually, you wanted to know what questions we would like to hear answered in a Christian church, then took it upon yourself to answer and/or condemn, in this Forum, they who didn't fit into your narrow slot. Are you going to tell your "pastor" that too?
 
adopted
#66
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

No.... Actually, you wanted to know what questions we would like to hear answered in a Christian church, then took it upon yourself to answer and/or condemn, in this Forum, they who didn't fit into your narrow slot. Are you going to tell your "pastor" that too?

I shouldn't be permitted to have an opinion in the conversation I started? Or, I shouldn't be somebody with a persuasion or point-of-view, especially if it coincides with that of my pastor with whom I have aligned? I don't know exactly what your complaint is.
 
Cliffy
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#67
Why do you need a pastor to tell you what god is all about? Are you too dumb or too lazy to find out for yourself?
 
JLM
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#68
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Why do you need a pastor to tell you what god is all about? Are you too dumb or too lazy to find out for yourself?

Good one Cliff- another might be "when did God give peope the right to judge other people and to stick their nose into places it doesn't belong".
 
darkbeaver
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How come all we got is christians to throw stones at? Why don't CCC attract a wider spectrum of target religions. They all make slightly different peals when you ding em eh. My heart goes out to them though limping around in the dark like that never knowing the true christos.

Judge not lest yea be stoned. Where are my damn matches?
 
lone wolf
#70
Quote: Originally Posted by adoptedView Post

I shouldn't be permitted to have an opinion in the conversation I started? Or, I shouldn't be somebody with a persuasion or point-of-view, especially if it coincides with that of my pastor with whom I have aligned? I don't know exactly what your complaint is.

Everyone has the right to their opinions. After all, isn't personal comfort in ones self not what Faith really is?
 
adopted
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#71
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Why do you need a pastor to tell you what god is all about? Are you too dumb or too lazy to find out for yourself?

How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for
“Their voice has gone out to all the earth,
and their words to the ends of the world.”
(Romans 10:14-18 )
 
gerryh
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#72
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

Wothehell could the strategy have been, lets set this up so the message gets spread as slowly as possible with maximal chances of being corrupted?


Who says he did?

Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

What about all those poor souls that happen to worship in
some other religion that happens to not be the one you
follow? Are they all doomed for following (in your opinion)
false idols or God's or whatever?

Short answer, IMO, Nope.

Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

You can be as religious as you like but don't preach your sh*t to me..

Considering this is a forum, and you are NOT obligated to read any particular threads, no one is preaching to you or anyone else. Unless you allow it, and if that is the case, you have no right to whine about it.

Quote: Originally Posted by adoptedView Post

How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for
“Their voice has gone out to all the earth,
and their words to the ends of the world.”
(Romans 10:14-18 )


The only "hearing" and "listening" you need is to hear and listen to Christ and his Father. No mortal man has the inside scoop. You don't need to listen to ANY man's interpretation of Christ's or his Fathers words. You need only listen and hear Christs words and explanations that he gives to you.
 
gopher
#73
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... like Sarah, she will select (at your option) as many concubines and mistresses as you may wish and will call you "Master" as good Christian women are commanded to do (I Peter 3:6). She will be more valuable than rubies and will provide you with all those goods things in life ... ''



 
adopted
#74
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Who says he did?
The only "hearing" and "listening" you need is to hear and listen to Christ and his Father. No mortal man has the inside scoop. You don't need to listen to ANY man's interpretation of Christ's or his Fathers words. You need only listen and hear Christs words and explanations that he gives to you.

Hi gerryh, I agree with you there... it's just that God arranged that the gospel is delivered through preachers, even as at other times He has appointed weak men to act as prophets, priests, kings, preachers, elders, deacons...

BUT I hear what you're saying about "interpretation." We need to be wary of mortal man's interpretation. We need to discern always what we hear against the Word of God, as did the Jews in Berea examine what Paul and Silas said against scripture (Acts 17.)

Thanks for your thoughts,
Paul

Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

'' [snip...] will call you "Master" as good Christian women are commanded to do (I Peter 3:6). She will be more valuable than rubies and will provide you with all those goods things in life ... ''

You think the 2012 American model of marriage is better? is working?
P.S. Abraham and Sarah were sinners needing the Gospel too.
 
gerryh
#75
Quote: Originally Posted by adoptedView Post



You think the 2012 American model of marriage is better? is working?


and what model is that? I don't like open ended questions that are open to interpretation. Be more specific.

ps..I've been married for over 23 years and have 7 kids.
 
adopted
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#76
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

and what model is that? I don't like open ended questions that are open to interpretation. Be more specific.

okay, i'm talking about living/sleeping with your girlfriend, 50% divorce rate, abortions, and all the damage these do to our children and our society.
 
gerryh
#77
Quote: Originally Posted by adoptedView Post

okay, i'm talking about living/sleeping with your girlfriend, 50% divorce rate, abortions, and all the damage these do to our children and our society.


I have no problem with ADULTS living together before getting married.... or even just living together and never getting married. It's commitment that I am more concerned with.

Abortion is wrong. It is taking a life. Man does not have the right to take anothers life.
 
adopted
#78
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

I have no problem with ADULTS living together before getting married.... or even just living together and never getting married. It's commitment that I am more concerned with.

Abortion is wrong. It is taking a life. Man does not have the right to take anothers life.

Hi, okay, you do believe in ethics, so I presume you also believe in God...
 
In Between Man
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#79
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

If God is a loving and caring God full of understanding and acceptance how come he
allows so many people who claim to represent him to be narrow minded, morally
bankrupt and, completely off Gods message of compassion and forgiveness?

Have you forgotten the countless Christian-based charities and everyday churches that strive to give, give, give? And they give to people regardless of who they are, Muslim, Christian, Hindu, or atheist. Orphanages get built, wells are dug, children that God hasn't forgotten about get shoes, medicine, education, and surgeries to fix things like cleft palates and crossed eyes. Don't kid yourself.

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Have you forgotten that any Muslim, atheist, agnostic or witch is perfectly welcome to come to church? They don't have to worship, sing, donate money, repent, or make any commitment of any kind. They're free to ask questions, pray however they wish, or leave at anytime. Church's are actually thrilled when non-believers attend. C'mon in!

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"We're looking for an opportunity to be the hands and feet of Jesus."
Last edited by In Between Man; Jan 24th, 2012 at 03:29 AM..
 
Cliffy
#80
Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post


Have you forgotten that any Muslim, atheist, agnostic or witch is perfectly welcome to come to church? They don't have to worship, sing, donate money, repent, or make any commitment of any kind. They're free to ask questions, pray however they wish, or leave at anytime. Church's are actually thrilled when non-believers attend. C'mon in!

I thought you didn't do church.

BTW, I have been in almost every denominations' churches. Some are warm and welcoming and some become suddenly really cold if you question them. The most welcome and friendly bunch were Baha'i. The coldest were Pentecostal.
 
In Between Man
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#81
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Can you logically explain the holy trinity?

I'm sure you know the doctrine, so why don't you ask us what you don't understand and we'll do the research for ya.

There's one God, and he exists as a unity of three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

I thought you didn't do church.

Well, I just showed you one example of a homeless fella taking the invitation to church. He looked pretty welcomed to me. Want more?

Quote:

BTW, I have been in almost every denominations' churches. Some are warm and welcoming and some become suddenly really cold if you question them. The most welcome and friendly bunch were Baha'i. The coldest were Pentecostal.

Of course the Baha'i temple was the most friendly! Because it's not a legitimate Christian denomination, you're not going to hear the truth about sin and salvation whatsoever! It's a pretty friendly atmosphere when you don't have to face your sins eh?! Nice and comfy without a care in the world!
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Dexter Sinister
#82
Quote: Originally Posted by adoptedView Post

You're babbling on about the gospel, of which you apparently have no understanding

I'd bet heavily that I have a much better understanding of it than you do. starting with the fact that it's not to be taken literally, you have to view it in its historical context with knowledge of how it's been changed. I've read several versions of it and a great deal of analysis and criticism of it.
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He's not "convicting me of thought crime even while I sleep." Rather, "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." (Romans 8:1).

Really. Suppose you have a dream that includes lusting after another woman, does that not count as committing adultery in your heart? You can't win a theological dispute by quoting scripture, the Bible's sufficiently large, complex, and inconsistent, that you can find support in it for any position you'd care to take. I like 1 Thessalonians 5:21 myself: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
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I joyfully agree to be subservient to the one good master.

You have my pity.
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He didn't "create me sick." I inherited a disease from my father Adam, as did you... .

No, I didn't, and neither did you, that's just mystical claptrap, but granting that it's true, the creator's responsible for the nature of what he creates, and if he has the characteristics your faith ascribes to him, he created us with the full knowledge of what was going to happen, there's no one to blame but him.
 
In Between Man
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#83
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

he created us with the full knowledge of what was going to happen, there's no one to blame but him.

I believe I already asked this, but when you found out you were going to be a father, didn't you know that your child would someday be disobedient to you? Did it take away your desire to be the father of that child?
 
Dexter Sinister
#84
Of course I knew that, and of course it didn't. but I am neither omnipotent nor omniscient and in your terms am not even the creator of that child.
 
In Between Man
#85
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

Of course I knew that, and of course it didn't. but I am neither omnipotent nor omniscient and in your terms am not even the creator of that child.

The coming disobedience didn't detract you, nor did it for him. He wanted us, he knew we would be disobedient, but before he created anything he already had a plan in place to save us, to win us back. Exactly what a loving, omniscient and omnipotent God would do.
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Omicron
#86
Wrong,

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The "Feds" would like it best if the Queen would be happiest having done a thing along the lines of having got great power to turn it over into good.

If Lucifer is so smart, let's see him set up a situation where we are making it without him.

I think we should put him in a zoo.

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In Between Man
#87
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

What about all those poor souls that happen to worship in
some other religion that happens to not be the one you
follow? Are they all doomed for following (in your opinion)
false idols or God's or whatever?

God is working in the lives of people all over the world to bring them to Christ. First, make sure Ron is right with God, and then the question "what about all those poor souls" is easily and correctly answered. Hello my Hindu friend, have you heard the good news?! Then tell them the truth, the gospel! From there the Holy Spirit does his work and "all those poor souls" have an opportunity just like you and me to receive eternal life!
 
Omicron
#88
I have done the analysis.

I know why neutrinos travel faster than light.

Pretend that space is curvature like a balloon. Pretend that the flat layer of the balloon is the surface of the stuff that we call space. Pretend that light must wave over that surface.

Pretend that neutrons can take a short-cut from point A to point B without going over the layer of space... cutting across the empty space in the balloon.

That would explain how it can take less than light speed for a neutron to get from one point to another, and it would explain how neutrinos can change from one particle type to another in the process, and it would explain how I can save the pain of Angels wanting to know how humans can be so nice, even while I keep telling them we are jerks.

They keep telling me all I need to do is kill Lucifer, when even Heavenly Father will not.

After doing that, to whom do I report?

I got a problem with secret information coming through that Holy Ghost is actually Holy Mother.

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Pretend you have a situation of dummies wanting to be in charge instead of just putting them in charge of ruler-ship for dummies.
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Cliffy
#89
Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

I'm sure you know the doctrine, so why don't you ask us what you don't understand and we'll do the research for ya.

There's one God, and he exists as a unity of three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.



Well, I just showed you one example of a homeless fella taking the invitation to church. He looked pretty welcomed to me. Want more?

Of course the Baha'i temple was the most friendly! Because it's not a legitimate Christian denomination, you're not going to hear the truth about sin and salvation whatsoever! It's a pretty friendly atmosphere when you don't have to face your sins eh?! Nice and comfy without a care in the world!

Baha'i is an offshoot of Islam like Christianity is an offshoot of the Jewish religion. The difference between Baha'i and Christianity is that they are accepting of all people, faith or no faith, most churches will only tolerate you if you convert. If it becomes apparent that you have no intention to convert, you become just another black sheep. Some will shun you. They are only friendly if they think they can make you theirs. The Baha'i do not evangelize, try to convert or judge. They know the truth is universal and not contained in just one religion. That is what makes them so friendly. They place no conditions on friendship. Christians, for the most part, do.
Last edited by Cliffy; Jan 24th, 2012 at 07:26 AM..
 
SLM
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#90

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