Where does Canada stand?./Who Stands 4 Canada


GreenFish66
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Where does Canada stand?/ Who Stands 4 Canada?

Canadians need someone 2 speak 4 Canada and Canadians .Not soley 4 themselves or other foreign interests. We need a great Canadian Leader who can prove, not only 2 canadians, but the Whole world. That we together as Canada, have something to positively contribute to the future of Canada, as a nation as well as a planet . Something to benefit all , something that will influence the whole world Globally ..!

Conservatives - Harper seems like a fairly good leader. Wish we could have heard from Mr.Harper a little more through out the last couple years. Wish he had shown he was out there somewhere leading our country to prosperity . Giving us hope 4 the future..What has he been doing with his time?....Is there a conservative government behind Harper? Are Canadians behind Harper?...Perhaps the problem is Canadians are too far behind the Stephen Harper government...THEY Need to show more leadership and Faith in Canada and our future!

Liberals - Like what Dion is saying .seems to mean well for canada .Wonder if the liberals can actually do it?......It does seem that Dion wants to lead where as Haper wants " The People" to choose who will lead( not too convincingly)....That's risky,,,,Hope people vote!..Wonder if they'll vote liberal if they do? They certainly won't vote conservative!

The Bloq - Are they still around?...I respect the french 4 valuing their heritage and history, but if they choose to separate they would then choose to 2 join a U.s. Style "Global" economy .They would be swallowed whole like if they were to vote conservative! Staying in the Canadian family is the only future that offers options for the french!

NDP - NDP have good ideas . Personally I wish they would join with the greens and become the NDG party ....but anyway......NDP seem to have good ideas on what Canada and Canadians need . They value families and the environment and want what is best for us ..BUT..What can they do to move Canada forward into a prosperous and econonomic "green" friendly future..How can the ndp get us "Beyond tommorow "!...Can they stand up to the big oil bully? Can they truly move Canada forward?

Green - Elizabeth May schmoozin with the liberals ..Not sure about that one, but I do know there is a large demand 4 "Canadian Green Invention". Not only in China but through-out the global economy and the UNIVERSE!!!!(lol) sorry.....couldn't help myself......
Greens are passionate and want to win! Elizebeth sparked me ..Stirred my cold heart, giving me a tinge of hope that we Canadians and all Earths creatures have a heart , a soul and purpose on this planet and BEYOND!!!!..Hmmmmm..mmmm (Beyond Harpers vision.. Greens had an mp elected! ) ..hmmmm mmm ...sorry again..Sorry I m trying to stay grounded and serious but my raw emotion seems to get the best of me. When I begin to talk about green politics, the future of the canadian people, the world........ and this planets place in the universe my mind is overwhelmed with the possibilities and sometimes get's the best of me....O.K. (deep breath) ....How do we keep the greens down to earth long enough to make a positive economic difference for all that is Green? $$$$$$$$....Balance and sustainability is the key! We must also continue to move forward ..Is this possible ..Yes .. I believe so! ... Greens deserve a voice because they speak 4 every living thing that needs a voice but may not speak our language !........

How ever Canadians vote, I really hope they do!...Our future depends on it!......Who stands 4 Canadians and Where does Canada stand is the question...? .....
Questions will be answered..." IN^4 ...3....2.....1..." ......1...Innovation.......2...Incentives....3. Initiatives ..4.....Invention.......Let's go were canadians want to go 4 a change instead of where we as Canada is directed to go....Choose your future , but please, Be sure you choose one with a future!!!
Over and out there from here...
Keep your head in the clouds and your feet on the ground...
B.GreenFish66
 
Unforgiven
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WTF are you on a phone or something?
 
GreenFish66
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Somewhere out there..lol
 
Kreskin
#4
It would take me a week to type out a post on my phone. It only takes me two days at a computer.
 
dancing-loon
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Such rude and strange responses! CC is definitely sliding down the tube!

Anyway, GreenFish, I read your post and find it quite thoughtful.
This morning I listened to Jack Layton's opening speech. Not much substance in it yet; that will likely come in the days/weeks ahead.

Elisabeth "Green" should go natural on her hair!! With all that dye she is polluting the environment! Seriously, I don't find her a convincing advocate for the green revolution. She seems too emotional and has her head in the clouds. I am for preservation and the green ideas, but would not vote for her.

I didn't hear the others, but find the next biggest party to the Conservatives are the Liberals. If I want change, I will vote Liberal just to get rid of the Harper Government and its war machine, its deceiving secrecy, and US boot-licking habits!!!
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
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The Green's really don't have an MP that was voted in as a "Green," but just someone
who crossed the floor and put on a Green hat. Despite that, I'd like to see Elizabeth May
involved in the Leaders debates as, though she doesn't have a hope of winning anything
much, she can shake things up a bit and inject some humanity into the mix.

Still I'm of the opinion that the Conservatives are the best of the worst that is being offered.
I'm not a Harper fan by any means, but I think he'll do the least damage to Canada until we
are forced to choose again and have someone that most of us might all want to follow.

Being out west in Saskatchewan, we recently just ousted the provincial NDP Party who was
in power for four consecutive terms (Unions vote NDP and Unions are big out here...) and
now business's are finding a much friendlier environment with a change of government. The
NDP is a dead horse out here and will be for some time to come. The Liberal Parties "Green
Shift" wealth distribution plan is going over in Western Canada like a lead balloon so that's
not even an option for most people that understand and remember its last incarnation as
the NEP back in the '80's. Some may argue that the NEP failed due to a matter of timing and
the world economy of the early '80's, but they can argue that with the people that lost their
jobs and homes and such. The Liberals aren't much of an option out here either. The Bloc
isn't active outside of Quebec so it's not an option out here either.

So with that in mind, the only real options in most peoples minds in this chunk of Canada
are the Conservatives and the Green Party. Knowing the Green Party has very little chance
of accomplishing much in the next election, by default that leaves the Conservatives. Not
much of a choice, but the best of the worst, and the party that might not hurt us as much
until a real choice comes along.
 
unclepercy
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Where does Canada stand? Who stands for Canada?

1. You wouldn't like the answer.
2. I will stand for Canada.

If you recall, I said I was interested in the way people think. One night I was reading the forum, and it hit me what I perceived to be the core issue that differentiates the US and Canada. I put it together with a few things I knew, my friend told me, and the discussions on this board.

I could be wrong. But if I am, tell me in a nice way. Remember this is the internet, and I have limited experience with Canadians in very large groups.

It's this. The heart of the United States beats as one. I don't hear that same heartbeat from Canada. Have you been to the Indy 500, where 250,000 screaming fans stand and sing the "Star Spangled Banner?" There is a moment when it happens then - we are one.

Have you ever heard the deafening roar at Texas Stadium when the Cowboys runs onto the field? That would be a more local example. All fans - and many are foreign - merge into one.

Have you ever seen the National Guard standing armed against every building for as far as the eye can see? Have you ever seen tanks roll down the streets of a major Canadian city?
Have you felt the power of your country - have you seen it?

You might call this patriotism, and that's OK with me. But Canada is so loosely populated, claiming multi-culturalism every 5 mintes, and you're right - no outstanding leader has come from Canada to bring your country to the forefront. Right or wrong: The United States stands firmly together.

Down to Texan: Love it or leave it. We don't want no multi-culturalism here. We made our own culture from our history and our people, and by God, learn our language, obey our laws, don't drive like you are the only one on the street, follow our traditions, and put your hand over your heart. Would hurt nothin if you practiced your manners either.
BTW, we don't blush.

Uncle
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
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Uncle Percy, I believe you are not far off. We are a large, multi-cultural country. Multi-cultural
is a good idea to a point, but not to the point that small minorities have their cultures inflicted
upon the rest. I'm all for tolerance and acceptance, but multi-culturalism leads to one being
first a ___________ and then a Canadian. Feel free to insert whatever you wish into the blank.
Now I'll step aside and let someone from a minority jumps on my statement, and yours. It will
not take long I'd venture to bet.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#9
Have you ever been to a Leafs game where nobody even stands up ... let alone sings....
 
dancing-loon
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

Uncle Percy, I believe you are not far off. We are a large, multi-cultural country. Multi-cultural is a good idea to a point, but not to the point that small minorities have their cultures inflicted upon the rest. I'm all for tolerance and acceptance, but multi-culturalism leads to one being first a __HUMAN_________ and then a Canadian. Feel free to insert whatever you wish into the blank.
Now I'll step aside and let someone from a minority jump on my statement, and yours. It will
not take long I'd venture to bet.

Let us all be humans first, and treat our enemies as humans, and not shove broomsticks up their rears like the Americans do!!!! I want to be proud to be a Canadian and belong to Canada.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
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I am a Canadian we stand for ladies when they enter the room, we stand for old people when they get on the bus, we stand for hours in the emergency rooms of our hospitals bleeding sometimes, we stand for global socialism and the death of capitalism, we stand on our tippy toes to get our hand in the cookie jar, we stand united against the alien Steven Harper (who is a known cannibble by the way) but mostly we stand in the snow waiting for spring.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

I am a Canadian we stand for ladies when they enter the room, we stand for old people when they get on the bus, we stand for hours in the emergency rooms of our hospitals bleeding sometimes, we stand for global socialism and the death of capitalism, we stand on our tippy toes to get our hand in the cookie jar, we stand united against the alien Steven Harper (who is a known cannibble by the way) but mostly we stand in the snow waiting for spring.

I bow to both "dancing-loon" and "darkbeaver." Not all of us are as insightful as the two of you.

Just what the heck is a "cannibble" anyway? Is this some kind of insider vegetable humour?
 
GreenFish66
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Yo Dawgs, what up n at the pound!...Ur Welcome round here N the park . Just B sure to clean up after urselves!...(lol)
 
Kreskin
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A week or so ago I was watching TV with my daughter. The show had one black guy and 2 white guys in scene where my daughter asked me "what's his name?". I asked her who she was talking about. She said, and I do quote, "the guy with the dark hair". That was the black guy. She didn't see the scene like I did. She saw 3 people, not a black guy and 2 white guys. It occurred to me in that moment that the benefits of multi-culturalism is really for our future generations. Many of us who went through the transition may not have liked it but future generations won't see life in quite as prejudicial terms as we have. I can't see that as being anything but a triumph. We should be proud that Canadians are less likely to be pigeon-holed into divisive cultural identities. It sure makes it more difficult for our politicians because it means they have to talk about real issues and not rely on heart-thumping but empty convention speeches to win voters.
 
Kreskin
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Unclepercy, ask Mike Modana (American born hockey player for the Dallas Stars) which sports fan in North America is the most loyal, rabid and knowledgeable. On the radio two months ago he said the Canadian hockey fan is equivalent to US football, baseball and basketball fans combined. Canadians can make a lot of noise. 99% of sports events in the US would die to have the atmosphere of a Montreal Canadiens playoff home game.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

I bow to both "dancing-loon" and "darkbeaver." Not all of us are as insightful as the two of you.

Just what the heck is a "cannibble" anyway? Is this some kind of insider vegetable humour?

He's a scary people eater. Makes me want to hide in the closet in the dark quietly till he's crept by on his way to the stone alter in the basement/dungeon, that kind of horror story with some Exorcist clips in it.
 
Praxius
Free Thinker
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by GreenFish66View Post

Where does Canada stand?/ Who Stands 4 Canada?

Canadians need someone 2 speak 4 Canada and Canadians .Not soley 4 themselves or other foreign interests. We need a great Canadian Leader who can prove, not only 2 canadians, but the Whole world. That we together as Canada, have something to positively contribute to the future of Canada, as a nation as well as a planet . Something to benefit all , something that will influence the whole world Globally ..!



Makes sorta sense, minus the Uber H4XX0rZ speak.

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Conservatives - Harper seems like a fairly good leader. Wish we could have heard from Mr.Harper a little more through out the last couple years. Wish he had shown he was out there somewhere leading our country to prosperity . Giving us hope 4 the future..What has he been doing with his time?....Is there a conservative government behind Harper? Are Canadians behind Harper?...Perhaps the problem is Canadians are too far behind the Stephen Harper government...THEY Need to show more leadership and Faith in Canada and our future!



Vauge with no explinations on what you're talking about. You claim They need to show more leadership..... exactly how do you expect someone to do that within a minority government?

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Liberals - Like what Dion is saying .seems to mean well for canada .Wonder if the liberals can actually do it?......It does seem that Dion wants to lead where as Haper wants " The People" to choose who will lead( not too convincingly)....That's risky,,,,Hope people vote!..Wonder if they'll vote liberal if they do? They certainly won't vote conservative!



If they vote Liberal, then obviously they won't vote Conservative, you only get one vote.

But as stated by Harper wanting "The People" to choose who will lead, that's the way it should be..... the decision should be up to the people, not some politician dictating to us to vote for them..... that's not a leader, that's a dictator.

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The Bloq - Are they still around?...I respect the french 4 valuing their heritage and history, but if they choose to separate they would then choose to 2 join a U.s. Style "Global" economy .They would be swallowed whole like if they were to vote conservative! Staying in the Canadian family is the only future that offers options for the french!



Wrong, just as any other province, if they decided to split from Canada, have plenty of other opportunities at their disposal.

As it goes for the Bloc, they shouldn't be running in the Federal election to begin with..... they only have Quebec's interests at play, screw the rest of Canada. If they only want to represent one province, then shove them back into the provincial elections and be done with it. You can only vote for them inside Quebec anyways, they're no more special then any other province, and if they want to keep that stupid mentality that they are, then I think they should be thrown out once and for all and be done with it.

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NDP - NDP have good ideas . Personally I wish they would join with the greens and become the NDG party ....but anyway......NDP seem to have good ideas on what Canada and Canadians need . They value families and the environment and want what is best for us ..BUT..What can they do to move Canada forward into a prosperous and econonomic "green" friendly future..How can the ndp get us "Beyond tommorow "!...Can they stand up to the big oil bully? Can they truly move Canada forward?



Has any of the other parties thus far? Hand in Hand, the NDP have the best potiential in addressing most of Canada's main issues. The NDP actually have very strong support in Atlantic Canada, and polls across Canada, just yesterday, suggested that most considder Jack Layton a very good leader, next to Harper it would seem..... but Dion is a distant third, so that tells you something.

And it's no suprise that Harper beats out Layton in the poll of leader..... More people in Canada know Harper more then they do Layton.

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Green - Elizabeth May schmoozin with the liberals ..Not sure about that one, but I do know there is a large demand 4 "Canadian Green Invention". Not only in China but through-out the global economy and the UNIVERSE!!!!(lol) sorry.....couldn't help myself......
Greens are passionate and want to win! Elizebeth sparked me ..Stirred my cold heart, giving me a tinge of hope that we Canadians and all Earths creatures have a heart , a soul and purpose on this planet and BEYOND!!!!..Hmmmmm..mmmm (Beyond Harpers vision.. Greens had an mp elected! ) ..hmmmm mmm ...sorry again..Sorry I m trying to stay grounded and serious but my raw emotion seems to get the best of me. When I begin to talk about green politics, the future of the canadian people, the world........ and this planets place in the universe my mind is overwhelmed with the possibilities and sometimes get's the best of me....O.K. (deep breath) ....How do we keep the greens down to earth long enough to make a positive economic difference for all that is Green? $$$$$$$$....Balance and sustainability is the key! We must also continue to move forward ..Is this possible ..Yes .. I believe so! ... Greens deserve a voice because they speak 4 every living thing that needs a voice but may not speak our language !........

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The Green Party isn't all environmental, but also have other plans..... but I don't believe the Green Party is anywhere near ready to lead the nation.

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How ever Canadians vote, I really hope they do!...Our future depends on it!......Who stands 4 Canadians and Where does Canada stand is the question...? .....

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Questions will be answered..." IN^4 ...3....2.....1..." ......1...Innovation.......2...Incentives....3. Initiatives ..4.....Invention.......Let's go were canadians want to go 4 a change instead of where we as Canada is directed to go....Choose your future , but please, Be sure you choose one with a future!!!
Over and out there from here...
Keep your head in the clouds and your feet on the ground...
B.GreenFish66

Well at least it would seem there are some finally getting interested in voting..... perhaps a little too hyped, but oh well.

So I take it you're going for the Green Party?
 
Praxius
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loonView Post

Such rude and strange responses! CC is definitely sliding down the tube!

Anyway, GreenFish, I read your post and find it quite thoughtful.
This morning I listened to Jack Layton's opening speech. Not much substance in it yet; that will likely come in the days/weeks ahead.

Elisabeth "Green" should go natural on her hair!! With all that dye she is polluting the environment! Seriously, I don't find her a convincing advocate for the green revolution. She seems too emotional and has her head in the clouds. I am for preservation and the green ideas, but would not vote for her.

I didn't hear the others, but find the next biggest party to the Conservatives are the Liberals. If I want change, I will vote Liberal just to get rid of the Harper Government and its war machine, its deceiving secrecy, and US boot-licking habits!!!

So you want change? And you will vote LIberal to seek that change?

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the reason why the Conservatives won in the first place was because people wanted "Change" from the Liberals and their US boot licking? They are, afterall, the one's who tossed us into Afghanistan in the first place.

What makes you think the LIberals actually changed enough in the last couple of years to make you feel they would be a better choice?
 
Praxius
Free Thinker
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

So with that in mind, the only real options in most peoples minds in this chunk of Canada are the Conservatives and the Green Party. Knowing the Green Party has very little chance of accomplishing much in the next election, by default that leaves the Conservatives. Not much of a choice, but the best of the worst, and the party that might not hurt us as much
until a real choice comes along.

Now there's something I see all the time, and hear all the time in politics.

People saying they like a certain party, but won't stand a chance, so they instead vote for one that will, even though they don't represent all of what you want.

And it's either that, or the politicians/parties in front simply say "If you vote for the little guys, then you're just throwing your vote away."

That sort of talk pisses me off to no end.

If you don't vote for the party you like, then of course they're not going to stand much of a chance.

If you listen to those parties about throwing your vote away, and then vote for them, then you still threw your vote away, because that vote didn't represent your true feelings..... you just wanted to be on the winning side.

And it's not a throw away vote if everybody actually votes for that party. That's what the bigger parties expect when they tell you it'll be a throw away vote, it's a simple ploy to make you not vote the way you wanted and get your vote for themselves.

If people in this country actually took the time, thought hard about who best represents their interests, regardless of their chances, or what the other parties tell you their chances are, they might actually win.

You sound like you were planning on voting for the Greens, but to you, they stand very little in chance, so you're going to vote Conservative by default.

Well for me personally, I'm going NDP, because I'm sick of both the Cons and Liberals..... and I don't actually believe or have much faith in the Greens.

Do I feel the NDP will get a minority or even a majority? I can not say for sure at this time. I think it'd be good for Canada.... will it actually happen? *Shrug*

But if they get more seats then before, and they have more of a voice in government against the Liberals and Conservatives, then I'm all for it.

I voted for the NDP last time too..... they didn't win, but I certainly don't considder my vote a loss or a throw away..... on the contrary, it was the first time I decided to get involved, and this time, neither the Liberals or Conservatives won a majority.... and the NDP gained more seats then before.

I believed in what I was voting for, regardless if my reasons match with others, and thus, to me, it wasn't a waste.

So if you truly feel like voting for the Greens..... then by all means, do so. They may not win this time around, but if you continue to do so, they will grow, much as the NDP has.
 
Nuggler
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Quote: UnclePercy:
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Down to Texan: Love it or leave it. We don't want no multi-culturalism here. We made our own culture from our history and our people, and by God, learn our language, obey our laws, don't drive like you are the only one on the street, follow our traditions, and put your hand over your heart. Would hurt nothin if you practiced your manners either.
BTW, we don't blush.

Uncle""

Uncle: You gots the multi-C whether you want it or not:

Check out Florida. No Cubans there. Right. Spanish is not spoken in schools. Right. No Spanish spoken in the malls, neighbourhoods. Right.

Check out ANY big metro city. No blacks there. Right. You have no "Afro-Speak" in the streets, in the bars, in the schools, rappers on TV. Right.

How about La. No Patois there. Nope.

L.A. No Spanish or Chinese spoken there

And, I ain't never mentioned the Hmong., Vietnamese, and so on. No cultural enclaves there.
Nope.

Your melting pot ain't hot enough any more. Some lumps in it.

I'll take our way of life, actually. Health care, respect for minorities, (to a degree), no big gun stuff, (believe it or not, shooters are in a miniscule minority), no death penalty.

Course, as long as your happy, carry on.

Nugg.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#21
This country needs strong leadership and we have to get tough on crime before it's to late, the conservative Canadians are correct and have been all along. With that in mind I purpose a new party based on the long extinct Red Torys, we should call it The. Do we need a The in front of it?
Maybe not, we'll see. The Socialist Conservative Party of____________________________ this is the export model. Domestically maybe it could be The Red Socons, or maybe The Flameing Red Socons, but it must no longer be the present pretenters to conservatism in this great strong free (in moderation) north, did I miss something, oh yes, beaver loving maple leaf sucking patriots. The present nest of corporate pigs have sullied the very word itself, enough of this crime I say, it's time for traditional conservatives like me and you to get up on thier hind legs and snarl and bark at these Canuckistani neocons and chase thier SUVs and Humers out of the lands towns and villages back to Yankeelandia whense the vermin came.
Remember to conserve everyday. It's your country don't spend it all at once. Tie your shoe laces and don't run accross the street. It's about values. Eat vegetables and fruit. All good traditional conservative practices.
 
Nuggler
#22
."".. NDP have good ideas . Personally I wish they would join with the greens and become the NDG party"

Say what? "No Damn Good" Party?

Already have that one....called the Heinerich Harpo Party. AKA.......SOR Party (Stomp on Rights)
AKA: KMAC (Kiss my ***, Canadians) party. lots of names.

If the Greens and the NDP join to further split the vote and allow Harpo a majority, it should be called the " N F G " party..............Right!!........That's exactly what it means.

Just my twisted outlook and opinion.






 
Praxius
Free Thinker
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by unclepercyView Post

Where does Canada stand? Who stands for Canada?

1. You wouldn't like the answer.
2. I will stand for Canada.

If you recall, I said I was interested in the way people think. One night I was reading the forum, and it hit me what I perceived to be the core issue that differentiates the US and Canada. I put it together with a few things I knew, my friend told me, and the discussions on this board.

I could be wrong. But if I am, tell me in a nice way. Remember this is the internet, and I have limited experience with Canadians in very large groups.

It's this. The heart of the United States beats as one. I don't hear that same heartbeat from Canada. Have you been to the Indy 500, where 250,000 screaming fans stand and sing the "Star Spangled Banner?" There is a moment when it happens then - we are one.

Have you seen any hockey games? The same thing occurs with our anthom.

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Have you ever heard the deafening roar at Texas Stadium when the Cowboys runs onto the field? That would be a more local example. All fans - and many are foreign - merge into one.

Same thing occurs within the NHL or the CFL for local teams..... do you think we golf clap during those things?

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Have you ever seen the National Guard standing armed against every building for as far as the eye can see? Have you ever seen tanks roll down the streets of a major Canadian city?

We have war games here in Halifax, air shows, Remembrance Day.....

.... heck, every single time one of our soldiers are killed in the line of duty, their names, ranks, division, everything is postered all over the media accross the nation, their bodies are shown loading up on the plane back home, shown when they come back to Canada, and if the family wants their funeral public, then it is also shown to the country. In between all of this, there are biographies and people talking about the things they have done.

Yet when I look at US media, it's all numbers and figures, with hardly any mention of names, let alone faces put to the names.

Why is this?

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Have you felt the power of your country - have you seen it?

Nuclear missiles and tanks are not all of what makes a country powerful.

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You might call this patriotism, and that's OK with me. But Canada is so loosely populated, claiming multi-culturalism every 5 mintes, and you're right - no outstanding leader has come from Canada to bring your country to the forefront. Right or wrong: The United States stands firmly together.

That's the problem I personally see within the US, which you just said...... Right or Wrong.... when you are wrong, you should stand up and try to correct the wrong.... not just pump your arms and whoot "USA, USA" against those trying to point out those problems.

Standing firmly together isn't Democracy, as it is only one voice... once voice is something like communism..... if you have only one voice, then how do you know what you as a country are doing might be wrong or not?

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Down to Texan: Love it or leave it. We don't want no multi-culturalism here. We made our own culture from our history and our people, and by God, learn our language, obey our laws, don't drive like you are the only one on the street, follow our traditions, and put your hand over your heart. Would hurt nothin if you practiced your manners either.
BTW, we don't blush.

Uncle

Then that isn't a democracy either..... and forcing everyone to agree with you, or your ways, isn't democracy. How can you claim to be "The Leaders of the Free World" when you guys dictate what is free and what is not based on your own personal standards? Esspecially when you don't want others who are different from you in your country to "Cloud" your judgement?

You boast about the US being so united and having One Voice..... yet you have the Republicans and Democrats, you have your strong religious, and you have those who want more liberty in their lives, you have those who are for the option of abortions, and those who are not..... those for gun control, and those who are not...... those who want proper sexual education in their schools to prevent teen pregnancies, and those who want to remove Sex Ed from schools and throw in Creationism, expecting that good little kids won't have sex until they're married.

You have Blacks still fighting for equality and your natives are not much better off then our own.

You have people still for the War in Iraq and staying the course, and then you have people who have opposed it from day one and want your men and women back home where they belong.

Those are just for starters..... the US isn't anymore unified then Canada, and if anything, it's less united.

However, when it comes to patriotism, which all your examples show, both citizens of both countries are damn well proud of the countries they live in respectfully..... I don't question your patriotism, don't question ours.

If we wern't as unified as we were, and we wern't patriotic, chances are, we would have allowed you guys to take us over years ago.... then we could live and act just like you guys, without question or doubt.

We have many differences and many political parties, because we are diverse, we understand how diverse we are, and we embrace it..... there is no one solid answer or solution to everything, and the more questions, the more doubt, and the more voices expressing concern allow us to question if we're about to take the right path or not.

Our diversity allows us to be given more then just one or two options, but several, and sometimes even more. Our questioning, our diveristy, our differing points of views help us think through our actions and learn from our past mistakes.

The whole concept of "Love it or Leave it" doesn't sit well for me. When you have one point of view, or there is a majority supporting one point of view, and one or two people start to question or doubt that course of action..... do you expect to ignore their points of view, freedom of expression, call them unpatriotic and expect them to leave the country?

Just to make things easier, or just to avoid the possibility of being wrong??

I suppose when you kick out and ignore all those who oppose your views, then you have to be right, right?

And just because your paticular race or religion was there first and you setup your own history, you're going to tell me that anybody else who comes to the country legally and becomes just as much a citizen as you, is not allowed to start his or her own history, or democratically change things they may feel is wrong with where they live or their country as a whole?

Where do you get off telling others how to live, what they can or can not do? I thought the US was supposed to be all about freedom and liberty...... now I guess it's freedom and liberty based by those who have more white christian folk representing them in the government?

You may feel your nation is unified and all great..... I and many others see it as something totally different.

I'm not saying this to piss you off, or to directly offend you, but you presented your own observations of my nation.... I am merely returning the favor.
 
Nuggler
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

I bow to both "dancing-loon" and "darkbeaver." Not all of us are as insightful as the two of you.

Just what the heck is a "cannibble" anyway? Is this some kind of insider vegetable humour?

Come on Ron: A "cannibble' is when you want to eat something out of a can, but don't have a can opener, so you nibble at the can..................Plain as the nose on yer face, eh!!

 
Praxius
Free Thinker
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

Uncle Percy, I believe you are not far off. We are a large, multi-cultural country. Multi-cultural
is a good idea to a point, but not to the point that small minorities have their cultures inflicted
upon the rest. I'm all for tolerance and acceptance, but multi-culturalism leads to one being
first a ___________ and then a Canadian. Feel free to insert whatever you wish into the blank.
Now I'll step aside and let someone from a minority jumps on my statement, and yours. It will
not take long I'd venture to bet.

You don't need to wait for a minority to do this, as I am a part of the majority and I have already done so.
 
Nuggler
#26
..."""Where do you get off telling others how to live, what they can or can not do? I thought the US was supposed to be all about freedom and liberty...... now I guess it's freedom and liberty based by those who have more white christian folk representing them in the government?

You may feel your nation is unified and all great..... I and many others see it as something totally different. __________________
""""


As in pile of s h i t ! ...............yep, my thoughts. blame me, ok.


 
Praxius
Free Thinker
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

I am a Canadian we stand for ladies when they enter the room, we stand for old people when they get on the bus, we stand for hours in the emergency rooms of our hospitals bleeding sometimes, we stand for global socialism and the death of capitalism, we stand on our tippy toes to get our hand in the cookie jar, we stand united against the alien Steven Harper (who is a known cannibble by the way) but mostly we stand in the snow waiting for spring.

I agree on most of that, esspecially the Capitalism.
 
Nuggler
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

I agree on most of that, esspecially the Capitalism.



I like the standing in the snow part.

And, standing for Candada, I will probably vote NDP again, also. Damn it. I know it's not 'throwing a vote away', it just feels like it.............Was thinking Liberal, but just can't do it.!!! Just can't. Thinking about all the slimers. Just can't.

 
Praxius
Free Thinker
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

I like the standing in the snow part.

And, standing for Candada, I will probably vote NDP again, also. Damn it. I know it's not 'throwing a vote away', it just feels like it.............Was thinking Liberal, but just can't do it.!!! Just can't. Thinking about all the slimers. Just can't.

Well I'm voting for them, most people I know around here are voting for them..... many polls are saying the NDP have strong support in Atlantic Canada, so maybe once you find that you're not the only one voting for them, it might not seem like a throw away.

And the only reason I can see why most in Atlantic Canada supports the NDP, is because they're the only party that actually bothered to listen to what we need here to grow and develop. The Conservatives have been a joke, and the Liberals screwed us over with the HST and many other things, and even though the NDP only got to being opposition here in NS, they did more work as opposition then the Liberals and Conservatives ever did combined.
 
Nuggler
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

Well I'm voting for them, most people I know around here are voting for them..... many polls are saying the NDP have strong support in Atlantic Canada, so maybe once you find that you're not the only one voting for them, it might not seem like a throw away.

And the only reason I can see why most in Atlantic Canada supports the NDP, is because they're the only party that actually bothered to listen to what we need here to grow and develop. The Conservatives have been a joke, and the Liberals screwed us over with the HST and many other things, and even though the NDP only got to being opposition here in NS, they did more work as opposition then the Liberals and Conservatives ever did combined.


Well den, bye, Whasshisname bless us everyone. Maybe there's a chance.

I think it'll be a cold day in hell afore Ont. goes NDP again. I'd personally like to see it, though. Bob Rae did make some large blunders, but I agreed with job sharing, Rae Days, and the like. We saw where people actually stood who mouthed about caring for their fellows, and then did everything they could to sink Rae, when he actually helped people. But, that was a long time ago.

We still haven't recovered from the putrid stench of Harris**, nor are we loving the condescending "my way or the highway" of McLiar. So, hoooonose~!!! Given half a chance and some votes.......maybe.

**.......whose minions now serve Mein Harper. God helpus there.

 

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