Who was stalking and intimidated who? Who was defending themselves from a stalker? If some creep were stalking me, I'd be bashing his noggin into the concrete too.
Zimmerman charged with Trayvon murder
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What a load of hooey. By the sounds of it Zimmerman broke of the pursuit after being told and Trayvon turned on him. And if you turn around and beat on somebody for following you then you are an idiot with some real issues. Get some help.
I have been in my fair share of scrapes and would never turn on someone just based on the concept that they might be following me.
Zimmerman wasn't satalking him? Didn't confront and try intimidating him? Martin was following Zimmerman around? Martin phoned the cops on Zimmerman? Martin was instructed by 911 to leave Zimmerman be? Martin shot himself after confronting Zimmerman?
Re: Zimmerman photo bolsters self-defense claim
There is no doubt Zimmerman used poor judgement and should have not followed Travis. However, not following directions of a 911 operator or 'greeting' somebody on a public street are not really relevant.
At the time Travis was shot, Zimmerman was acting in self defense. To convict, in a fair trial world, the prosecution would have to show something of the minute or 2 before that action and after the following and 'greeting'. They would have to show that Zimmerman started the fight and may have actually led Travis to bang Zimmerman's head on the ground as his own self defense. While this is possible, there have been no corroborating witnesses to back this up. And you can't convict on speculation.
This whole situation was avoidable which is what makes it sad.
There is no doubt Zimmerman used poor judgement and should have not followed Travis. However, not following directions of a 911 operator or 'greeting' somebody on a public street are not really relevant.
At the time Travis was shot, Zimmerman was acting in self defense. To convict, in a fair trial world, the prosecution would have to show something of the minute or 2 before that action and after the following and 'greeting'. They would have to show that Zimmerman started the fight and may have actually led Travis to bang Zimmerman's head on the ground as his own self defense. While this is possible, there have been no corroborating witnesses to back this up. And you can't convict on speculation.
This whole situation was avoidable which is what makes it sad.
Poor judgement.
But if there is evidence of what happened in the prior minute, I have yet to hear/see it.
I think I covered this in my previous post.
His poor judgement killed an innocent kid who was defending himself from a stalker.
Based on what I have read and seen "No."
Really where is there evidence that he was trying to intimidate him?
No, but if he were that would still not be a crime or warrant Zimmerman beating his head off a curb.
No, and given that Zimmerman called 911 shows that he was clear thinking enough to call the police.
Yes he was and from the unedited 911 call his response to the operator was. "Okay."
No, Martin got himself shot by beating Zimmerman's head of a curb instead of going home or eating skittles.
Pretty poor judgment on the part of Trayvon Martin
How did Zimmerman get into a situation where his head was allegedly beaten into the curb? He was walking along and minding his own business?
Stalking is a duty?
Ah, the old "She was dressed like a **** and flirting so she deserved to be raped" argument.
Stupidity and poor judgment are not illegal.
Maybe its just my emotional response to Wiebo Ludwig's death last week, and the feeling that he never got the punishment he deserved from the justice system here, but my mind is drawing parallels between the death of Trayvon Martin and Karmen Willis.
- both were far too young for what happened to them (thats not to say killing someone is ever acceptable but it hurts more when its a young person their entire life ahead of them)
- both may have been involved in questionable activities but nothing that warranted a death sentence. In Martin's case, we've seen NO evidence aside from the fact that he was walking in the rain and Zimmerman thought he stood out. There is no toxicological evidence that he was under the influence of any substance; nothing aside from the word of an untrained observer that he was acting erratically in a neighbourhood that he wasn't known in. Willis was a passenger in a vehicle that was trespassing and being driven recklessly (spinning doughnuts in Ludwig's yard).
Martin is alleged to have reacted physically but at what point? Zimmerman was following him when the 911 operator told him "we don't need you to do that". Zimmerman made a concious choice to keep following Martin and that resulted in a lethal confrontation. We don't know when Zimmerman pulled the gun. Is that what precipitated a violent reaction or was it the fact that a young man who wasn't doing anything wrong objected to being followed? Either way, thats still on Zimmerman.
And for the record, the way NBC edited and spun the story is reprehensible. They deserve to have sh*t hitting the fan and people losing jobs over this. Raising an international reaction by trying to create the appearance of racial motivations (which may have played a factor but not to the extent NBC was portraying) but that doesn't detract from the fact that Zimmerman should bear a good deal of responsibility for the death of Martin.
- both were far too young for what happened to them (thats not to say killing someone is ever acceptable but it hurts more when its a young person their entire life ahead of them)
- both may have been involved in questionable activities but nothing that warranted a death sentence. In Martin's case, we've seen NO evidence aside from the fact that he was walking in the rain and Zimmerman thought he stood out. There is no toxicological evidence that he was under the influence of any substance; nothing aside from the word of an untrained observer that he was acting erratically in a neighbourhood that he wasn't known in. Willis was a passenger in a vehicle that was trespassing and being driven recklessly (spinning doughnuts in Ludwig's yard).
Martin is alleged to have reacted physically but at what point? Zimmerman was following him when the 911 operator told him "we don't need you to do that". Zimmerman made a concious choice to keep following Martin and that resulted in a lethal confrontation. We don't know when Zimmerman pulled the gun. Is that what precipitated a violent reaction or was it the fact that a young man who wasn't doing anything wrong objected to being followed? Either way, thats still on Zimmerman.
And for the record, the way NBC edited and spun the story is reprehensible. They deserve to have sh*t hitting the fan and people losing jobs over this. Raising an international reaction by trying to create the appearance of racial motivations (which may have played a factor but not to the extent NBC was portraying) but that doesn't detract from the fact that Zimmerman should bear a good deal of responsibility for the death of Martin.
Your words not mine.
He was following a shady character in a gated community so he deserved to get beat to death?
Stupidity is central to the frothing at the mouth reaction I have seen in this case.
Patrolling your community is stalking?
Participants in COPP Take back the night, are stalkers?
That doesn't mean it's a necessity.