Zimbabwe...no end to the power struggle!

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Just found this. These cars must all get marked with a German swastika. It's all presidential guard and their dogsbodies.



Subject: Breaking News- Cause for Concern

"My sources in Mt Hampden near Harare say a woman middle aged was thrown off a moving hard-body Nissan truck and she died instantly. The identity of the woman is not known. This happened a few minutes ago and the woman is still at the spot."

A cause for Concern - Zimbabwe Fight On Dont mourn | Google Groups

How awful! Why are they so brutal? Do the ZANU people have to demonstrate their power in order to save themselves? I mean, Mugabe is giving orders, but then there are people who follow them against their own fellow citizens. They probably get bribes and great promises.

Apparently the cholera epidemic is under control, according to Mugabe! The man switches from black to white within hours. I copied the article...

Zimbabwe's Mugabe: Cholera epidemic under control

17 hours ago
HARARE, Zimbabwe (AP) — Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe says the country's cholera outbreak is under control and is dismissing calls for his ouster amid the crisis.
The death toll from the waterborne disease has risen sharply in the southern African nation. The United Nations said Wednesday that 775 deaths and more than 16,000 cases have been reported.
Cholera has spread rapidly in Zimbabwe because of the country's crumbling health care system and the lack of clean water. Last week, Zimbabwe declared a health emergency because of cholera and the collapse of its health services.
At a state funeral Thursday for a ruling party official, Mugabe repeated accusations that the West wanted to use the cholera crisis as an excuse to topple the government.

Of course! So now he quickly changes the situation.

He knows his days are numbered and his ouster will come any day, so he decides to dance on peoples noses as long as he can, because he already has lost, he can't lose any more. It's a game to him of outwitting the opposition as long as he can.

Well, I predicted he would be removed this week... they better hurry up, it's already Friday over there.

 

[dancing-loon]

Has Jestina Mukoko been found and freed now?

 

[data]

They probably get bribes and great promises.

Some have just gathered a paying job and they are not necessarily political. At 85% unemployment people must see to get some food on the table at home.
A torture session for alleged MDC sympathisers got suddenly stopped, when one compared the fresh (in Munich) printed Z$ packs with the ongoing inflation. The government got blamed of cheating, since beating torture is a really hard work and the present value of the money packs was already overdone. The politburo does perhaps not comprehend, how inflation works or that it even exists. The political employees stopped beating and detainees got sent home, since police had no legal accusation against them in their files.

ben22 wrote Thursday, Dec 11 2008 12:42pm »

If I am not wrong, and believe me I want to be wrong, the abductions you are just witnessing are the beginning of a sinister 'political' strategy called kneecapping. This strategy was initiated and perfeted by the masters of dark art in political campaign one of them being Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels, leader of Adolf Hitler's campaign unit a few years before destroying the Weimar Republic democracy.

What is kneecapping?

It is practically going after the rival's man on the ground and leaving the whole leadership intact. You physically eradicate those doing the the ground work i.e. campaigning, promotion, awareness: in general those seen to be promoting the cause of the rival. At the same time it is important that those rivals in leadership positions are not touched to give a sense that all is well. So if this is the case the MDC top leadership has nothing to fear: it is the marathon man who is at risk.

Why kneecapping?

It is a very effective way of inflicting terror upon your rival: you are still alive but you cannot move. In the case of MDC the top leadership is still there but they cannot get their message to the public. Any man or woman who may think of filling the ranks will consider the risk and choose life, henceforth the MDC would die with an undelivered baggage.

Why now?

If ZPF is contemplating new elections, it could be they don't want to leave anything to chance.

How do I know that this is the case?

This is an argument from analogy and is prone to several limitations of induction hence I can never be 100% sure that this is the case, However, if we go back into history we realize that the pattern of what is going on now is also reflected in the Weimar Republic; the same has happened before and we know that sometimes people copy successful strategies from the past to solve problems of the present. In conclusion, it could be that ZPF is using the kneecapping strategy.

New Zimbabwe.com Forums - ZPF going after MDC knees

 

[Mongul]

This is one of the few times where i would approve of arming Zimbabwe citizens with a few M1s and RPGs to take back their lives

 

[dancing-loon]

I'll put my name under that!!

 

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ben22 wrote Thursday, Dec 11 2008 12:42pm »

Quote: If I am not wrong, and believe me I want to be wrong, the abductions you are just witnessing are the beginning of a sinister 'political' strategy called kneecapping. This strategy was initiated and perfeted by the masters of dark art in political campaign one of them being Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels, leader of Adolf Hitler's campaign unit a few years before destroying the Weimar Republic democracy.​

What is kneecapping?​

It is practically going after the rival's man on the ground and leaving the whole leadership intact. You physically eradicate those doing the the ground work i.e. campaigning, promotion, awareness: in general those seen to be promoting the cause of the rival. At the same time it is important that those rivals in leadership positions are not touched to give a sense that all is well. So if this is the case the MDC top leadership has nothing to fear: it is the marathon man who is at risk.​

Why kneecapping?​

It is a very effective way of inflicting terror upon your rival: you are still alive but you cannot move. In the case of MDC the top leadership is still there but they cannot get their message to the public. Any man or woman who may think of filling the ranks will consider the risk and choose life, henceforth the MDC would die with an undelivered baggage.​

Why now?​

If ZPF is contemplating new elections, it could be they don't want to leave anything to chance.​

How do I know that this is the case?​

This is an argument from analogy and is prone to several limitations of induction hence I can never be 100% sure that this is the case, However, if we go back into history we realize that the pattern of what is going on now is also reflected in the Weimar Republic; the same has happened before and we know that sometimes people copy successful strategies from the past to solve problems of the present. In conclusion, it could be that ZPF is using the kneecapping strategy.​

New Zimbabwe.com Forums - ZPF going after MDC knees
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Hi, data;
that was a great post!

Kneecapping... my first thought was literally breaking the opponents' knees.8O

Bringing the Third Reich into this is an "interesting" analogy! This Ben person has a good point by suggesting ZANU could be using a past strategy from Germany. I had no idea Goebbels was that cruel, but I do remember my mother didn't like him.

What do you think of Mogul's idea? Why is there no underground revolution to take on the Mugabe forces? Why not even a coup?

Has there in recent history ever been a ruler like Mugabe? Is he maybe modelling himself after some other ogre?

In this day and age, with superpowers galore, it is a miracle nobody has touched Mugabe yet. 28 long years of uncontested power ruling! The guy is a genius!!

 

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Believe it or not, the finger now is pointed at Briton:

UK caused cholera, says Zimbabwe


..."it as "a calculated, racist, terrorist attack on Zimbabwe".
... "serious biological chemical weapon" used by the British.

BBC NEWS | Africa | UK caused cholera, says Zimbabwe

Several African and Western leaders have recently said it was time for Mr Mugabe to step down.
Kenya's Prime Minister Raila Odinga said African countries should force him from power.
But the African Union has rejected such calls, saying a solution to Zimbabwe's problems must come from the power-sharing talks.

Good Luck!

 

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ben22 wrote Thursday, Dec 11 2008 12:42pm »....
Kneecapping... my first thought was literally breaking the opponents' knees.

That was also my first thought. But ben22 focused on the second level of the terms meaning. And he is right with.

The uncle of my x-wife was going to an ordinary pub around year 2000. After some maize beer (chibukvu) he said loud his opinion about Mugabe, the president. Half an hour later patriotic youth activists (Border Gezi - Green Bombers)entered the pub and started beating up guests with some wooden lath from a construction site. Someone pointed at uncle Stanley. He had to show his knees and got broken the knee bone with a directed hit by such a lath.
Due to low and expensive medical standards in the workers suburbs of Harare, it never healed properly. He lost his job and could not find an other one any more. Vis versa, then his wife started caring for him. Meanwhile I've paid for his last goat and he passed away in the same year. His wife settled to one of her daughters to Hamburg, away from this Cholera infested circus at home...

 

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That was also my first thought. But ben22 focused on the second level of the terms meaning. And he is right with.

The uncle of my x-wife was going to an ordinary pub around year 2000. After some maize beer (chibukvu) he said loud his opinion about Mugabe, the president. Half an hour later patriotic youth activists (Border Gezi - Green Bombers)entered the pub and started beating up guests with some wooden lath from a construction site. Someone pointed at uncle Stanley. He had to show his knees and got broken the knee bone with a directed hit by such a lath.
Due to low and expensive medical standards in the workers suburbs of Harare, it never healed properly. He lost his job and could not find an other one any more. Vis versa, then his wife started caring for him. Meanwhile I've paid for his last goat and he passed away in the same year. His wife settled to one of her daughters to Hamburg, away from this Cholera infested circus at home...

Is that ever awful!! This sounds like a totally lawless country! Just like the story of Jestina Mukoko.

"December 14, 2008
Sophie Shaw, Harare

The terrifying ordeal of Jestina Mukoko, a television news anchor turned human rights activist, began at 5am on December 3 when seven men and one woman forced their way into her house at gunpoint in Norton, a quiet, leafy town 25 miles west of Harare.

The intruders were not in uniform, although one of the men claimed to be a police officer. They refused to let her dress, find her spectacles or pick up the blood pressure pills that she is supposed to take three times a day.

Her 17-year-old son Takudzwa and a six-year-old niece, Tofara, who was in her care, were left shocked and alone after seeing her led away in her nightdress.

Mukoko, 51, who was widowed 13 years ago, has not been seen since by family,
friends or lawyers. The regime of President Robert Mugabe has said nothing about her whereabouts or her condition. Fears for her safety are growing...

New Zimbabwe.com Forums - Silenced - the sharpest voice against Mugabe

 

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Is that ever awful!! This sounds like a totally lawless country!

Not lawless, law is there and it still applies, if that serves the ruling party. But the ruling party has no interest in Jestina Mukoko. Police would just say, that is a political thing and constitution does not allow us to interfere in political affairs.

How awfull is Bavaria? 2 days ago the police chief of Passau got stabbed nearly to death from a Nazi skin head, when he opened his private door according to his ringing bell. The police chief inspector let recently open a grave and take out a small Nazi flag (black swastika on red background = prohibited political symbol). He got knowledge, that one of the mourning guests throw it into the grave as last greeting. The Nazi scene aims to a new atmosphere of fear in their surrounding. Police could not yet identify the culprit, who just took the cake knife, what the inspectors family put outside for by-passers and neighbours to cut some X-mas cake from their season offer.
Like most mayors and thus police chiefs in urban areas of the conservative Bavaria (or Zimbabwe?), he is a minority social democrat (MDC). He takes the law for serious even against right wingers and is so seen from the Nazi scene as similar thorn in the German flesh, as communists (Non-German-National behaviour). In the USA such is called Non-American behaviour, as if we would say here Non-European behaviour.

 

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Not lawless, law is there and it still applies, if that serves the ruling party. But the ruling party has no interest in Jestina Mukoko. Police would just say, that is a political thing and constitution does not allow us to interfere in political affairs.

How awful is Bavaria? 2 days ago the police chief of Passau got stabbed nearly to death from a Nazi skin head, when he opened his private door according to his ringing bell. The police chief inspector let recently open a grave and take out a small Nazi flag (black swastika on red background = prohibited political symbol). He got knowledge, that one of the mourning guests throw it into the grave as last greeting. The Nazi scene aims to a new atmosphere of fear in their surrounding. Police could not yet identify the culprit, who just took the cake knife, what the inspectors family put outside for by-passers and neighbors to cut some X-mas cake from their season offer.
Like most mayors and thus police chiefs in urban areas of the conservative Bavaria (or Zimbabwe?), he is a minority social democrat (MDC). He takes the law for serious even against right wingers and is so seen from the Nazi scene as similar thorn in the German flesh, as communists (Non-German-National behavior). In the USA such is called Non-American behavior, as if we would say here Non-European behavior.

Good Grief, data, what nonsense is going on in Bavaria?? To open a grave, disturb a corpse only to retrieve a rag of no importance?? And for that the police chief gets seriously stabbed with a knife by a skinhead!!!:roll: I'd say both are "nuts", and no charges should be laid against the skinhead.
Are the Germans that afraid of a Nazi resurgence? I read briefly in the other forum that the German politicians are debating whether they should ban the NPD (rightwing party) or not. So much for democracy! As you mention, the similarities with Zimbabwe are strikingly close, banning the opposition would make it even more so.

 

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Tutu: Threaten Mugabe with force!

"I have to say that I am deeply, deeply distressed that we should be found not on the side of the ones who are suffering," Tutu told the BBC.
"We have betrayed our legacy, how much more suffering is going to make us say, 'No, we have given Mr. Mugabe enough time'," he said.
Tutu said that he is ashamed of South Africa's handling of the Zimbabwe issue at the U.N. Security Council, where China and Russia in July vetoed a U.S.-sponsored resolution that proposed worldwide sanctions against Mugabe and 13 officials.

Tutu: Threaten Mugabe with force - International Herald Tribune
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Tutu is a world-renowned personality and his opinions have weight. I hope his pressure on South Africa will bear fruit and bring Mugabe down and out.

 

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Guantanamo near Harare Town

Guantanamo in Harare-Town

Are the Germans that afraid of a Nazi resurgence?

Germans have made a certain experience with. Zimbabweans do it at the moment and many others still fantasize, it could never affect them.

Do you know "Christmas in CapeTown" by Randy Newman?
Here is some, fresh from Christmas in H-Town New Zimbabwe.com Forums - Attempt to visit Mukoko in Chikurubi fails

Attempt to visit Mukoko in Chikurubi fails
The Zimbabwe Times December 28, 2008 By Our Correspondent

CHIKURUBI - The dusty road to Chikurubi Maximum Security Prison, the notoriously filthy jail on the eastern outskirts of the Zimbabwean capital, is pot-holed and muddy.

To the left of Arcturus Road, as one emerges from the suburb of Greendale, are lush green fields of maize; while the dominant feature to the right are the rundown brown concrete housing blocks where the paramilitary police
live.

This was the route along which human rights activist Jestina Mukoko and nine other political activists accused of plotting to overthrow President Robert Mugabe were driven on a rainy Christmas day last week

The high Court had ordered that they be remanded under police guard in the Avenues Clinic.

As Mukoko and her co-accused sit in court at the beginning of their trial here today, Monday, on allegedly self-confessed allegations charges of engaging in banditry, they will be hoping, perhaps silently praying, that
they do not return to Chikurubi.

When Mukoko appeared in court on Christmas Eve she had been missing for three full weeks. Concerned Zimbabweans feared for the worst, especially since the police denied any knowledge of her whereabouts or of an
involvement in her pre-dawn kidnapping from her Norton home on December 4.

Meanwhile, Mukoko and the other abducted rights activists were tortured, as their lawyers revealed last Wednesday. In a secret location they were made to sign confessions in which they allegedly admitted their involvement in plotting to militarily overthrow Mugabe's regime and to that end coordinating the alleged military training of MDC bandits in neighbouring Botswana.

The judge ordered that the accused immediately be sent to hospital for medical attention and that torture allegations leveled against State agents while the accused were detained incommunicado should be investigated.

The Zimbabwe Times, quoting highly placed sources within the police force, had meanwhile revealed that Superintendent Chrispen Makedenge officer commanding the Law and Order Section of the Zimbabwe Republic Police was the officer master-minding the spate of hijackings, including that of Mukoko.

The police have flatly refused to comply with the court's order and instead took the activists, mainly female detainees, to Chikurubi.

During a visit to the notorious Chikurubi Remand Prison on Sunday, three days after Mukoko and others were incarcerated there, a small group of visitors stood outside the main entrance. A pall of uneasiness settled over
the visitors.

There was a dark presence emanating from inside the silent monolith that now dared us to enter over the visitors' hour. A young prison warden approached the visitors where they milled around and took down their names and details, as well as the names of the prisoners we had come to visit. He then disappeared into a building adjacent to the entrance for roughly 20 minutes.

A female warden then emerged and called the visitors to the entrance, a heavy steel gate topped with menacing razor-sharp wire. Cautiously, we walked into the visitors lobby, amazed that such a testament to horrific
incarceration of man by man could ever be constructed. One by one we entered the building and were instantly assailed by a damp air that was laced with the stench of decay.

After we produced our identity documents we were allowed through another heavy gate. Then we were thoroughly searched before we entered a third gate. We were again asked to write down our names and details as well as the names of the remand prisoners we were visiting.

A burly prison officer glanced at the name I had scribbled on the dirty exercise book page and remarked matter-of-factly: "We have strict instructions that Jestina is not allowed visitors. You will have to see her at court tomorrow. Sorry."

There was a long wait. And after what seemed like eternity, the prison warden emerged and directed the rest of the visitors into another room where prisoners were already lined up in talking booths.

The prisoners were allowed to chat to their visitors for only 15-minutes, with all conversations being monitored and tape-recorded. The conversation was conducted by telephone with prisoner and visitor separated by thick
glass partitions.

Foodstuffs had to be tasted by the visitor before being handed over to the prisoners. And the prison wardens would poke through the food, to make sure there was nothing dangerous concealed inside.

A source said Chikurubi was divided into female and male sections, with each section divided into five separate cell blocks each designated to hold different categories of inmates. There was a block for remand prisoners and
another for foreign prisoners. Then there were blocks doe prisoners serving long sentences, for prisoners who committed capital offences and another for those who committed "special" crimes.

Our sources said Mukoko and her co-accused were sharing a tiny and lice-infested cell with no ventilation or light; the only toilet provision being a small bucket that often goes uncollected for days in the D-Section
of the Remand Prison. D-Section of the Female Prison is home to suspected hardcore female criminals, many of them facing charges of murder or infanticide.

This has been home to the activists since Christmas day.

The activists have slept on hard concrete floors with no blankets and have been kept naked, according to the prison source. Chikurubi is perhaps the most squalid jail in southern Africa, he said. Sources say prisoners go
without bread for weeks. In most cases they get only a meal of thick porridge and overcooked vegetables once a day.

Supplies of items such as toothpaste, soap, toilet paper, and general laundry have long been stopped. Inmates have to share the few blankets available, despite that many have Aids or are afflicted with other serious
diseases such as tuberculosis.

Mukoko has high blood pressure. She has been kept in leg irons since Christmas Day to thwart any attempted escape or rescue.

"This is how D-Class prisoners are treated," said our source.

Chikurubi maximum prison is literally synonymous with brutality and death going back to pre-Independence days. Originally conceived as a maximum security place for the incarceration of dangerous hard-core criminals, it is
now a symbol of terror that President Robert Mugabe gladly uses to control opponents and critics of his regime.

Guards at Chikurubi routinely beat prisoners, many of them held without charge.

Conditions can hardly be improving. With Zimbabwe's economy in a free fall and inflation estimated at 231 million percent in July, the Zimbabwe government has no money to feed its citizens, let alone prisoners.

At least 20 have succumbed to cholera at Chikurubi, according to our source, but the cases have reportedly been kept under wraps.

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President Mugabe resigns

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Succumbing to public outcry and intense media scrutiny over his alleged October 2008 sexual liaison with a Presidential Palace concubine, embattled Zimbabwean president Robert Mugabe finally resigned last night.

"Bob has finally done the right thing," said Morgan Tsvangirai, Zimbabwe's main opposition leader, who has doggedly pursued the president for the past three years. "Due to our lack of scarce natural resources the international community found it possible to overlook a brutal military dictatorship, institutionalised torture, human rights abuses, hyperinflation, and an outbreak of Cholera. However when we heard that the President was having an extra marital affair we knew we'd got him. There is no way that a Christian led America would allow that to happen."

Speaking from his Presidential palace Mr Mugabe said : "I am 96 years of age and admit to a serious error of judgement. I hereby announce my decision to stand down from the leadership of ZANU-PF. The Party must now select a new Leader. I leave Zimbabwe with my head held high. My record will stand the test of time. However I would not like the fact that I am withdrawing from public life altogether and moving to Paris to be seen as an opportunity by my opponents to seize control. Indeed it is my intention to strengthen my grip on the country and I will embark on either another 10 year plan or two 5 year plans. Both will include subsidised piano lessons for all school children under the age of 16, the changing of Christmas day to the 21st February and the provision of free air travel to France for the over 80's."

Source
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[earth_as_one]

Like that would happen. It isn't even good satire.

 

[data]

This is the inspiring story of a very brave and courageous woman. She may very well bring Mugabe down! She reminds me of Cindy Sheehan, an American mother going against Bush' illegal war.

Look how good Cindy is doing these days. She was stomped by Pelosi and completely shunned by Democrats after they used her to sweep the GOP congress from office. She was used up and put away by the Liberals.

Proud Zimbabwean wrote: Other than the white racist Rhodesian Lobby!!, MDC has absolutely nothing to offer bar western white racist sanctions and misery upon misery for the populace to ride to power to REVESER BLACK GAINS!!

So far they have succeeded in creating a seige mentality attacking, undermining and downright sabotage of the national institutions!!, the same institutions they mistakenly think can be controlled by a PARTY!!, so shallow and naive no self respecting black person takes them seriously anymore other the deluded guillible fake asylumists and other respients of crumbs like the HIV infested Jestina Mukoko and her ilk!!

Real diplomacy not ugly shennanigans by the ugly one is one which guarantees Russian veto to any racist resolutions against my country at the UN!!!

THE UGLY LOT WILL NOW HAVE TO RELY ON DIRECT ACTION!!, TINYATSOKUBATAYI MUSHE MUSHE!!!, JENDE FUREZA AND CONDOMLIZA MUPUNGA ARE DEAD!!, NOMORE!!, OBAMA WILL TRY SOMETHING NEW DESPITE HIS PREVIOUS MISINFORMED UTTERANCES!!, HIS PLATE IS FULL OF DUBYA'S STINKY s**t AND NEEDS CLEANING FOR YEARS!!
MDC ARE ON A LAST CHANCE BUS STATION!!

New Zimbabwe.com Forums - ONE THING IS FOR SURE!! DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER!
Who ever feels political quite informed may provide her/his comment to the statement of Proud Zimbabwean!!, if courageous - copy it into the original thread in NewZim (source).

Decoding:
Proud Zimbabwean!! = acts like a speaker of ZANU-PF politburo in the NewZim exile forum
ugly shennanigans = civil rights activists, sheroes
the ugly one = Morgan Tswangirai, Prime Minister, President of MDC-T, the bullfrog
JENDE FUREZA = Shona for testicle controlled liar (G.W. Bush)
MUPUNGA = Shona for upper class rice

 

[dancing-loon]

Hi, data;
nice to meet you here on-line!
I apologize for not having responded to your last post... I'm getting tired.
Perhaps you can blow some wind into my sails?

 

[data]

Hi, data;
nice to meet you here on-line! I apologize for not having responded to your last post... I'm getting tired. Perhaps you can blow some wind into my sails?

White Peter in Gaza?
How Zim abductions work?
How ZANUids see it?
Elder people in Zim (Janes Story)

 

[dancing-loon]

:lol: Ich ging verloren im alten forum!! Man kann lesen und lesen...

Also, das mit dem weissen Peter ist mir bekannt. Ist es wirklich dasgleiche wie in Vietnam? Das war doch furchtbar.

Oops, ich bin ja hier im Englischen Forum und muss Englisch schreiben!!!

Weisst Du was? Ich muss jetzt nach draussen und Schnee schaufeln! Wollte schon vor zwei Stunden raus.

I'll be back later tonight. But thanks for posting and leaving me all sorts of links. That will keep me busy for a while.;-)

Bis spaeter...

 

[Ron in Regina]

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If I convert over $20.00 in Canadian funds, I think I might be able to use the
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