Your thoughts on the Libertarian Party's platform?

petros

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Not necesarily. There can be voluntary charity. I can imagine that those of us who give already would give more.

And usually charity is more likely to go towards helping the destitute rather than the middle class (as is usually the case with government programs) as government programs do. So that could potentially even reduce the wealth gap.

The destitute who work the legal sex trade to buy their legal drugs?
 

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I want as little gubmint as possible. It should look after the money, transportation, law enforcement and armed forces, that's about it.

If you want government to look after money then you should STFU about having a free market.
 

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They're mostly for extreme deregulation.

That's my point. They think that TFWs would benefit from residency because that would improve their working conditions, but they're libertarians and so probably don't support government or union intervention in working conditions. In fact, TFWs are protected by the same employment regulations governing citizens and permanent residents. Why are TFWs vulnerable to greater exploitation as the libertarian party admits? The answer undermines the entire premise of libertarianism. Oops.
 

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Just a good reminder of why we should always vote for the best candidate and not blindly vote for the Party.

It appears that at least the Libertarian Party of Ontario can attract some ignorant candidates.

That said, I wouldn't reject a candidate from a particular party just because a candidate from the same party but in a different riding happens to be ignotant.
 

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The destitute who work the legal sex trade to buy their legal drugs?

I disagree with completely de regulating the sex and drug trades. Heck, I'm even pro-life.

That said, I could still see the potential benefit of a few Libertarian MP's in Parliament. I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. And as happens with many parties, its growing membership moderates the party over time.

That's my point. They think that TFWs would benefit from residency because that would improve their working conditions, but they're libertarians and so probably don't support government or union intervention in working conditions. In fact, TFWs are protected by the same employment regulations governing citizens and permanent residents. Why are TFWs vulnerable to greater exploitation as the libertarian party admits? The answer undermines the entire premise of libertarianism. Oops.

Though their platform does not specify it, I'd guess that as libertarians they wouldn't want to overly regulate labour unions either.

Again, I don't agree with their entire platform, but I wouldn't mind paying fewer taxes togive to the charity of my choice rather than to special interests. It makes it a good alternative party until other parties smarten up. With its present platform, a Libertarian government would be scary. But given the likelihood of that, a few competent Libertarian MP's could be a good thing.
 

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If you want government to look after money then you should STFU about having a free market.
By looking after money I mean that there should be a Bank of Canada so that we have money, not that they dole it out to everyone.
 

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Is Cliffy your dealer?

Markets and paying the bills to manage a country are light years apart.

Fossil fuel subsidies.


Anyway, Libertarianism is just as nebulous as the other political terms like right wing, left wing, conservatism, authoritarianism, dictatorship, etc.

It encapsulates varying degrees of intensity and can therefore make for people with contradictory views belonging to the same group.
 

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Is Cliffy your dealer?

Markets and paying the bills to manage a country are light years apart.

What are the benefits?

The benefits of what? I don't have to a green with a candidate on every minuscule detail of policy, but just on the more important ones.

Fossil fuel subsidies.


Anyway, Libertarianism is just as nebulous as the other political terms like right wing, left wing, conservatism, authoritarianism, dictatorship, etc.

It encapsulates varying degrees of intensity and can therefore make for people with contradictory views belonging to the same group.

True enough.
 

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The ones that Harper admits exist and is working to get rid of?

Are you saying your dear leader is lying?
 

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The benefits of legalized drugs and sex trade?

Both are harmful to society and so should be discouraged. Clients of escorts ought to be fined with a doubling of the fine for repeat offences. I oppose imprisonment because of the cost.

Drug dealers ought to suffer prison labour for life or execution.

Yeah I'm far more conservative on those points but if a candidate has other good ideas, it's not a deal breaker for my vote.
 

petros

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So you want to take away jobs from the destitute?

It's okay guys.

Fossil fuel subsidies don't exist.

And this link?

It also doesn't exist.

Eliminating Fossil Fuel Subsidies | Canada's Economic Action Plan

The costs of oil sands leases or other oil sands resource property, which could previously be treated as Canadian Development Expense (deductible at a rate of 30% per year on a declining balance basis) are now treated as Canadian Oil and Gas Property Expense (deductible at a rate of 10% per year on a declining balance basis).
Pre-production development expenses incurred for the purpose of bringing a new oil sands mine into production are treated as Canadian Exploration Expense (100% deductible in the year incurred). These expenses will start to be treated as Canadian Development Expense on a gradual basis over the 2013 to 2016 period. In recognition of the long time frames involved in developing oil sands mining projects, transitional relief is provided and the Canadian Exploration Expense treatment will be maintained for expenditures incurred before 2015 on grandfathered projects.
- See more at: Eliminating Fossil Fuel Subsidies | Canada's Economic Action Plan

That's not cash is it?
 

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So fossil fuel subsidies exist now?

Nice stealth edit.

Of course it's money.

And if you're looking for the numbers, I've already given them to you via multiple reports.

Of you are not satisfied with that then you have to ask Harper because he's not transparent on how much.
 

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Though their platform does not specify it, I'd guess that as libertarians they wouldn't want to overly regulate labour unions either.

The premise behind libertarian economics is that less intervention balances the market and produces prosperity. Do you think libertarians envision stronger or weaker unions in a libertarian order?

(maybe I should have said disorder)