unmanagable my ass.....too damn lazy to take the time is more like it.....too concerned with the bottom line than the child. Can get a hell of alot more money by fostering multiple children than taking in just one hard to manage child.
Young Offenders - Violence - Repeats
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unmanagable my ass.....too damn lazy to take the time is more like it.....too concerned with the bottom line than the child. Can get a hell of alot more money by fostering multiple children than taking in just one hard to manage child.
like I said...can't see the forest for the trees. You all continue to look at the end result only...... continue to whine and cry about how horrible it is....... get used to it, because it ain't changing with the small minded, short sighted attitude that you all have.
Where did i say that they were all beyond help - where did I say that they should all be locked up Not One Word - I stated that in some cases they were well beyond help - they need help over time perhaps decades - and I do not want them on the streets - they are ffn crazy little ****s that do not care about taking a human life.
Can many be helped yes - but first they have to want it - and that is not an easy road they take.
Can many be helped yes - but first they have to want it - and that is not an easy road they take.
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Lets take it back to the '50's with progressive YO incarceration. I remember it was a badge of courage to make through the line, from The House of Concord to Bowmanville on to Guelph then Mimico. Never really knew what happened after that but I suppose it would have been Collins Bay.
I have lots of feelings for young people who are having a
tough time growing up, as a result of a poor start in life,
and moving through multiple foster homes, but it is very hard for society to fix that problem.
It started with the
childs real parents, which are probably out of the picture
permanately in most cases, and yes, there are a certain
number of foster parents who take in kids to get the money,
but there are not foster parents on a waiting list with a
burning desire to take in kids, and 'love' them, just a
very few, so these kids have to be placed somewhere, the
only alternative is a very large institution, to keep them,
educate them, and teach them to be better people.
That is life, what can anyone do about it.
So, it is important to protect society, and this poor cab
driver is now the first person who needs attention and help,
as he was just trying to do his job, and now he is in a
terrible situation, as a result of this y.o. injuring him.
Many of these young offenders are so 'wise' to the system,
and will con anyone, anytime and have learned to have no
sympathy for anyone, just themselves, they want what they
want, are angry all the time, but because they didn't get
a fair shake early on, isn't a reason to allow them to
hack people up, and then continue to protect them.
They must learn, they have to be accountable for their actions, respect others, and work for your respect from
others.
Most of all, society must be protected from repeat offenders, whether they be young or not.
tough time growing up, as a result of a poor start in life,
and moving through multiple foster homes, but it is very hard for society to fix that problem.
It started with the
childs real parents, which are probably out of the picture
permanately in most cases, and yes, there are a certain
number of foster parents who take in kids to get the money,
but there are not foster parents on a waiting list with a
burning desire to take in kids, and 'love' them, just a
very few, so these kids have to be placed somewhere, the
only alternative is a very large institution, to keep them,
educate them, and teach them to be better people.
That is life, what can anyone do about it.
So, it is important to protect society, and this poor cab
driver is now the first person who needs attention and help,
as he was just trying to do his job, and now he is in a
terrible situation, as a result of this y.o. injuring him.
Many of these young offenders are so 'wise' to the system,
and will con anyone, anytime and have learned to have no
sympathy for anyone, just themselves, they want what they
want, are angry all the time, but because they didn't get
a fair shake early on, isn't a reason to allow them to
hack people up, and then continue to protect them.
They must learn, they have to be accountable for their actions, respect others, and work for your respect from
others.
Most of all, society must be protected from repeat offenders, whether they be young or not.
The repercussions are that a parent has lost a son, a sibling has lost a brother and everything that the murder victim ever had, or ever will have is taken away from him.
That's pretty much it considering that the perpetrator is given a free pass on the murder as they didn't get enough hugs as a wee child... It all makes sense when you look at it that way.
This is his 2nd manslaughter if convicted by age 15 - he is clearly a danger to all - What his problems are I do not know - What caused them - i do not know - But how can someone who has already been convicted of manslaughter before age 15 still be out on the streets - went thru 25 group homes - Not all were bad as some would think -
So why was he on the streets so late at night - the body was found at 2 am
Goober, you are describing the mentally ill. Why have beds for the mentally ill been closed and the patients forced out on the streets?
That is what I was thinking all along - But we have little information - sometimes the infomation that protects a YO's identity also covers the major flaws within Govt services -
But the basic facts are - 2 dead and he is only 15 - What type of life will he lead in the future- the guilt if he arrives at that stage mentally & emotionally will be a tremoundous burden to live and deal with every day of his life.
But he is a danger and he should not have been walking the streets - Yet we will never know the true facts as to why he went thru so many Foster homes and the Govt will walk away without having to explain why.
The mentally ill require treatment not punishment. Yes, some should not be released back into the public. Most criminal acts arise from mental illness.
Not all mental illness is manageable. Unless this young offender is unfortunate enough to be suffering from something like schizophrenia, I don't believe that applying a very broad brush (ie mental illness) is justification for this person's actions.
Regardless, in the end, I have to side with Goober. That boy is clearly a danger to society at large and whether or not his actions are influenced/dictated by mental illness, he should be incarcerated.
Regardless, in the end, I have to side with Goober. That boy is clearly a danger to society at large and whether or not his actions are influenced/dictated by mental illness, he should be incarcerated.
My wife used to do councelling at a fed penn. I've had the misfortune of listening to hour after hour of recordings of some of Canada's most violent inmates spewing their emotions in their own words.
I can't peg a percentage but it's high (nearly 100%) of these men had emotional problems stemming from family or lack of family.
If you want to blame someody for the way these people turned out blame the boys who were too weak to be men and be dads to their children.
I can't peg a percentage but it's high (nearly 100%) of these men had emotional problems stemming from family or lack of family.
If you want to blame someody for the way these people turned out blame the boys who were too weak to be men and be dads to their children.
No doubt... Kinda makes you wonder if there's any merit in the Orwellian idea that one needs to possess a license to have a kid.
Rather than putting the mother on social assistance the father should have to come up with the cash or trade his labour for that support bestowed on the people.
I think that you would find a lot of support for that idea... However, it doesn't necessarily substitute for the value that a responsible/concerned parent represents in developing the direction and individuality of the kid.
In the end, that's what I was getting at earlier. The young offender that has now taken 2 lives has destroyed 2 families and he is coming out unscathed... I no longer give a rats-a$$ about that kid - ultimately he's broken beyond repair - my concern lies for his next victim(s) and the destruction that he will cause those families.