You should obey God’s commandments

[dattaswami]

If god is beyond words and understanding, why are we talking about it then? You think you can define god by debating that because it is debatable, it is not god. So after years of debate, you still have no god, just a huge pile of mental BS. That is pretty much a steaming pile of excrement.

There is only one way to experience god, according to your logic, and that is to sit in silence until your mind stops talking to itself and you literally put your ego to sleep - meditation. There are many ways to accomplish this, none of which requires religion or gurus.

The problem here is, my friend, that you write so many words to say very little and confuse everybody in the process. Part of your problem, is also your poor command of the English language and the use of a bunch of words that mean something to people living in India that mean absolutely nothing to us.

It is true that GOd is unimaginable and beyond our comprehension. However, God comes in human form to us. By seeing such human form you are seeing the invisible God only, since God is present in Him all the time. The identity mark is the wonderful divine knowledge preached by Him.God is impartial and comes in human form in every human generation.



God Himself comes down in human form to give practical proof for the existence of the unimaginable God through the exhibition of unimaginable events called as miracles. Jesus told that He has come down to fulfill, what is said in the scripture. Krishna also said that He came down since there is a necessity and He said that He will come down whenever there is a necessity. The necessity is the requirement of practical proof for the theoretical explanation of God given in the scripture. Then only, the validity comes. Science is valid since every concept in the book is experimentally proved in the laboratory. A student of science always attends the practical class in the laboratory after the theory class. The doubt about the existence of God is quite natural because there is every chance to doubt about the existence of anything, which is not understood even by intensive imagination. The human incarnation declares the existence of God after giving the practical proof. In fact, people experience the unimaginable events in their life, which indicate God. But, people do not care to analyze and remember God thereby.

Even if we dispose all the miracles as magic show without careful analysis, the existence of unimaginable boundary of universe, which can be realized by anybody at anytime, is a clear proof for existence of unimaginable entity called as God.

 

[Cliffy]

OK, let me try this angle then. Who is the present human incarnation of god? And what is the practical proof that miracles have been exhibited? What were those miracles and where is the proof?

 

[dattaswami]

OK, let me try this angle then. Who is the present human incarnation of god? And what is the practical proof that miracles have been exhibited? What were those miracles and where is the proof?

If you see just a leaf and observe it deeply with the knowledge of Botany, you will be shocked with the miraculous work of God which reveals its unimaginable design, unimaginable co-ordination of functions of various cells etc. Through such unimaginable structure of the leaf you are first recognizing the unimaginable super power (Maya) of God. Immediately you will accept the possessor of the super power (Mayi) who is the Lord as said in the subsequent line of the same verse (Mayinamtu Maheshwaram….). Therefore, the deep analysis of the nature which is Science is exposing the miracle of God to every body in this world and there is no need of a separate miracle. Therefore, Science is the best religion exposing the existence of God to every ordinary human being on this earth including atheist.

Therefore, I have given a place for Science in the symbol of Universal Spirituality. A scientist does not require a separate miracle to recognize the existence of God like a realized soul since the deeper analysis of this nature reveals the unimaginable power of God and there by His existence. A scientist who does not believe the existence of God is not a scientist at all. Thus, an ordinary ignorant devotee is helped by God through unimaginable ways. The exceptionally excellent devotee finds God’s help even through the natural ways. He thinks that even the natural respiration is by the grace and power of God only.

 

[Cliffy]

The way I see it is that the existence of the Creator is in all things and all we have to do is open our eyes and see it. We don't need books and we don't need gurus, priests or teachers of every kind and description to tell us how to do that. Those who can see can enjoy that but it does not predispose that those who choose not to see or who can't see are going to enjoy life any less. Everything in the Universe is a part of the Godhead. Nothing is separate, everything is interconnected and interdependent. As science has shown, nothing is ever lost, it just changes frequency, intermingles with the soup of energy that is the Universe and becomes part of something else.

It really is that simple. You are complicating it to make it sound like a mystery that needs someone like you to teach people how to see. The truth is nobody needs you to tell them anything. The expression that sums up what you are doing is "farting in the wind".

 

[Dexter Sinister]

You must use your logic and brain for analysing the divine knowledge.

My logic and brain tell me that nothing you've said here is true and that there's no such thing as divine knowledge, because god is entirely a human invention with no reality outside the realm of ideas. This, meaning everything you've ever posted here, is fiction to me, all of it.

 

[JLM]

I got to wondering the other day if besides the "Big Guy", who made the world, if each one of us doesn't independently have a "god" of our own. I think someone is definitely looking after me, despite the trials, tribulations and disappointments in my life, so far I've seemed to avoid the worst case scenarios and have much to be thankful for. Keeping my fingers crossed though. When the population was only a couple of million I could see one God, but now that it's up around 6 billion, he'd be a pretty busy boy.

 

[Cliffy]

I got to wondering the other day if besides the "Big Guy", who made the world, if each one of us doesn't independently have a "god" of our own. I think someone is definitely looking after me, despite the trials, tribulations and disappointments in my life, so far I've seemed to avoid the worst case scenarios and have much to be thankful for. Keeping my fingers crossed though. When the population was only a couple of million I could see one God, but now that it's up around 6 billion, he'd be a pretty busy boy.

I forget who coined the Phrase "God Botherers" but it seems apt. People had to invent a god to make themselves important in face of the inevitable realization of our insignificance. It is too depressing for most to feel that unimportant. So they bother god constantly hoping that there is more to life than the mundane drudgery of working and raising families. The truth is in the Meaning of Life (Monty Python) - we are just replicating DNA.

 

[JLM]

I forget who coined the Phrase "God Botherers" but it seems apt. People had to invent a god to make themselves important in face of the inevitable realization of our insignificance. It is too depressing for most to feel that unimportant. So they bother god constantly hoping that there is more to life than the mundane drudgery of working and raising families. The truth is in the Meaning of Life (Monty Python) - we are just replicating DNA.

I'm not sure if most people find those things as either drudgery or mundane and I doubt whatever God there is would get too excited about people who find those things as such!

 

[Cliffy]

I'm not sure if most people find those things as either drudgery or mundane and I doubt whatever God there is would get too excited about people who find those things as such!

I'm sure god has as much use for me as I do for him. Most jobs are drudgery because most people do the same sort of stuff every day, day in day out. I have met very few people who get up in the morning excited about going to work (a job specifically). Work can be fun if you don't have to do it and want to, but how many can say that? We live on an insignificant speck of dust in an insignificant part of a infinitely vast Universe. If there is a god, why would it want to be bothered by us?

 

[selin]

If i should believe in a religion or in the way you like , i ask a lot of questions, here are some simple and common questions of them :
If he/she is so sure and strict to be followed by a book (a recipe), why did he allowed so diverse books , doctrins and commands about god existing and confusing us ? Why does god not behave openly? and make us think in different ways(religions). I was born tagged with muslim identity and you christian one according to the geography where we were born, how can he expect us to find the true, everybody has own true because they were effected by the culture and environment they live in-it is very minority to convert into a different religion,doctrin or idea. -as i have mentioned before, in place of sending a book/books to follow, he/she should have sent a video or something more effective to be easy for every person to understand...

 

[JLM]

If i should believe in a religion or in the way you like , i ask a lot of questions, here are some simple and common questions of them :
If he/she is so sure and strict to be followed by a book (a recipe), why did he allowed so diverse books , doctrins and commands about god existing and confusing us ? Why does god not behave openly? and make us think in different ways(religions). I was born tagged with muslim identity and you christian one according to the geography where we were born, how can he expect us to find the true, everybody has own true because they were effected by the culture and environment they live in-it is very minority to convert into a different religion,doctrin or idea. -as i have mentioned before, in place of sending a book/books to follow, he/she should have sent a video or something more effective to be easy for every person to understand...

Simple answer, more of what you discuss was contrived by man, not God.

 

[Chiliagon]

gotta love these Religious nuts.

 

[Cliffy]

gotta love these Religious nuts.

Do religious nuts taste different from non-religious nuts? Are they saltier or something?

 

[JLM]

gotta love these Religious nuts.

You just ain't whistlin' Dixie, it's the ones who know everything that really piss me off.

Do religious nuts taste different from non-religious nuts? Are they saltier or something?

You need some time out of Nakusp, Cliff............maybe we can take up a collection for busfare out to New Denver for you for a week's holiday.

 

[talloola]

don't like posts that start out "You should ----- blah blah. Do what you want but don't push it on

others.

 

[JLM]

don't like posts that start out "You should ----- blah blah. Do what you want but don't push it on

others.

That's when I say "YOU SHOULD GET LOST".

 

[Cliffy]

You just ain't whistlin' Dixie, it's the ones who know everything that really piss me off.



You need some time out of Nakusp, Cliff............maybe we can take up a collection for busfare out to New Denver for you for a week's holiday.

I'll be OK.... :tongue3::tongue2::confused2:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

You just ain't whistlin' Dixie, it's the ones who know everything that really piss me off.

Yeah, those people who think they know everything are really annoying to those of us who actually do.

 

[JLM]

Yeah, those people who think they know everything are really annoying to those of us who actually do.

That's what I've found! :lol:

 

[gopher]

I'm still waiting for this god to send me a wealthy wife or two.