Yet another reason to stop funding them...

[gerryh]

The rule that says your kids are not permitted to see any farther than you. That is exactly what narrowing their choices of reading material is.

Woof

That is YOUR perception and it is an unproven and unprovable perception. It is also an incorrect one.

Once again it is shown that those that oppose the Catholic School system don't really know what they are opposing.

 

[Sal]

Critical to delivering a quality well-rounded education is the free dissemination of all material. When a few "high-minded" folk decide what is and what isn't appropriate for the curriculum of an educational institution, that student bodies access to material is shaped not by the challenge of discriminating minds but by the willingness of a few to direct and control thinking.... Hardly the climate of intellectual availability one would hope to find in an "education system".

Nothing here I would disagree with

Catholics or any religious group anxious to hide part of the world and glorify other parts of the world aren't educating, they're conditioning.

No problem here yet either.

If Catholics are happy to follow in the footsteps of the Taliban and other religious fanatics in demonstrating how fragile their philosophy actually is,that reticence to openness and critical challenge will produce the same results as the radical Islamists of the Taliban.

Nice try but over the top in its implication. They are removing a book to examine its merit.

The issue isn't that the Taliban are soooo bad,

OMFG, of course that is the issue. lol.... get serious.

the issue is that the minds of children will be shaped and sculpted to particular views that don't accurately reflect the nature of the world in which these youngsters will make their way.

baloney

If the Catholic school had made an issue of gratuitious violence and sexuality as its depicted in a great deal of television broadcasting, or even could manage to identify the decades of abuse and continuing lawlessness of the Roman Catholic Church in protecting abusers from the law, then a message that's balanced and invites critical thinking could perhaps flourish.

Like the nice balanced critical thinking you have presented here.

But the Roman Catholics like the Taliban

:roll:

don't want to juxtapose their behaviors and prejudices beside anything remotely akin to free-thinking that a book or program originating in the mind of an atheist might represent.

According to whom? You? You have access to their curriculum do you? NO? I thought not.

These folk don't care any more about the truth than they care about personal and community responsibility.

Which Catholic crapped in your cereal this morning? I don't think you have a clue what these folks are about.

But thanks for the chuckles. :lol:

 

[lone wolf]

That is YOUR perception and it is an unproven and unprovable perception. It is also an incorrect one.

If it's unproven and unprovable, how can it be incorrect?

Once again it is shown that those that oppose the Catholic School system don't really know what they are opposing.

Oppose it? My kids survived it.... I oppose fifteenth-century thinking and selective hearing. Is it any wonder the Church is failing?

Woof!

 

[darkbeaver]

Nothing here I would disagree with

No problem here yet either.


Nice try but over the top in its implication. They are removing a book to examine its merit.

OMFG, of course that is the issue. lol.... get serious.

baloney

Like the nice balanced critical thinking you have presented here.

:roll:

According to whom? You? You have access to their curriculum do you? NO? I thought not.

Which Catholic crapped in your cereal this morning? I don't think you have a clue what these folks are about.

But thanks for the chuckles. :lol:

I object to your use of the word baloney, I think it's particularly telling when we allow processed meat to be used as a weapon in a civilized discussion. Iff this is what you stand for, god help us all.:smile:

 

[Sal]

I object to your use of the word baloney, I think it's particularly telling when we allow processed meat to be used as a weapon in a civilized discussion. Iff this is what you stand for, god help us all.:smile:

Spam, spam, spam. That tastes waaay worse than baloney... well, I don't really know that personally. I would rather starve than eat something which comes out of a can covered in some obscurely coloured gelatinous thing.

Smack...you turd I just logged out...hadda come back in to smack ya.

 

[Kreskin]

I object to your use of the word baloney, I think it's particularly telling when we allow processed meat to be used as a weapon in a civilized discussion. Iff this is what you stand for, god help us all.:smile:

We could say HAGGIS! That's damn HAGGIS!

*Sorry Mrs McBagpipe*

 

[YoungJoonKim]

I'd rather go to Christian school [which I do] than some public school...yeah..I think its that bad in terms of both moral and education.
But who knows, I have no idea what Catholics do.

 

[gerryh]

Oppose it? My kids survived it.... I oppose fifteenth-century thinking and selective hearing. Is it any wonder the Church is failing?

Woof!

I'd say that you didn't pay attention to what they were being taught OR you have tunnel vision and only looked at the religion class.

My 2 youngest are in Catholic Schools, with the older one graduating in January just 1 month past hs 17th birthday and the youngest in grade 7. They are getting a better education than my previous kids who were in public schools. They have recieved extra help as and when needed with alot less hastle than we had in the public school systems. The only religious influence they have is in their religion classes and the manditory masses. In senior high the teachers welcome questions and critical thinking in the religion classes. So I really don't see what it is that your kids had to "survive".

 

[darkbeaver]

I'd rather go to Christian school [which I do] than some public school...yeah..I think its that bad in terms of both moral and education.
But who knows, I have no idea what Catholics do.

I'd rather be bitten by a rabid dog and hung in a public execution and go to hell to sit in a brimstone recliner for eternity.:lol:

 

[gerryh]

I'd rather be bitten by a rabid dog and hung in a public execution and go to hell to sit in a brimstone recliner for eternity.:lol:

Your wish wil be granted.

 

[lone wolf]

I'd say that you didn't pay attention to what they were being taught OR you have tunnel vision and only looked at the religion class.

My 2 youngest are in Catholic Schools, with the older one graduating in January just 1 month past hs 17th birthday and the youngest in grade 7. They are getting a better education than my previous kids who were in public schools. They have recieved extra help as and when needed with alot less hastle than we had in the public school systems. The only religious influence they have is in their religion classes and the manditory masses. In senior high the teachers welcome questions and critical thinking in the religion classes. So I really don't see what it is that your kids had to "survive".

Academically, both systems were quite on par. Ontario is like that. My son's speech problem was seen as part of the curriculum whereas in the public school system, he would have seen outside help. I have found the religion doesn't encourage the kids to see beyond that which is supported by the Church (from Harry Potter banished to my daughter's demonstration of dousing being banned because it's also called "witching" for water) I do find your choice in the term "tunnel vision" to be rather ironic.

Woof!

 

[Karlin]

obviously you're not Catholic, so........this effects you how?

I think this thread got off to a bad start with the [regretted later] "Taliban" remark, but then this doesn't help either.

I get a bad feeling when I hear this tactic of "it doesn't effect you if you are not part of my realm". We ARE all in this together, and the actions of the churches do affect everyone in the nation. It doesn't invite a good discussion, my friend.

As for the topic of using public money to fund religious education, I think it is time to stop doing that. I admit I do not know how much of those Catholic schools' classes are about religion and how much are merely the basic subject material without any religious slant, but there must be some "Catholic indoctrination" going on or why have those schools.

I object to any religious [or ethnic] indoctrination of our children before they are old enough to know differently, even if they are based on their parent's wishes.

 

[gerryh]

Academically, both systems were quite on par. Ontario is like that. My son's speech problem was seen as part of the curriculum whereas in the public school system, he would have seen outside help. I have found the religion doesn't encourage the kids to see beyond that which is supported by the Church (from Harry Potter banished to my daughter's demonstration of dousing being banned because it's also called "witching" for water) I do find your choice in the term "tunnel vision" to be rather ironic.

Woof!

Did you not have input into your childs education? Were you not able to say, "that is what they teach, but this is what I believe and why"? You, the parent, have the largest role in teaching your children when it comes to Faith, or anything else for that matter.

The banning of the HP books did not effect me or mine at all. My second youngest fell in love with that series and made him an avid reader. Before HP he wouldn't pick up a book if his life depended on it. When the Archdiocese banned the series it didn't surprise me at all. It was inline with Catholic teaching. The same would apply to "dousing" or "witching", it's unfortunate that witching is applied to the art, but it is. Even though it was banned at your daughter's school, did it stop your daughter from learning about it, or you teaching her about it?

I didn't agree with the courts allowing the young man to bring his male date to the prom at the Catholic High School. It was not their right to grant that. It was the School boards right to refuse the young man's request because of the churches stand on homosexuality.

If you're going to send your kids to a seperate school then you should not be surprised when the moral tenants of the faith are upheld by the School Board. If you have a problem with the board supporting the churches tennents than you should remove your kids from the seperate system and put them into the public.

 

[gerryh]

I think this thread got off to a bad start with the [regretted later] "Taliban" remark, but then this doesn't help either.

I get a bad feeling when I hear this tactic of "it doesn't effect you if you are not part of my realm". We ARE all in this together, and the actions of the churches do affect everyone in the nation. It doesn't invite a good discussion, my friend.

As for the topic of using public money to fund religious education, I think it is time to stop doing that. I admit I do not know how much of those Catholic schools' classes are about religion and how much are merely the basic subject material without any religious slant, but there must be some "Catholic indoctrination" going on or why have those schools.

I object to any religious [or ethnic] indoctrination of our children before they are old enough to know differently, even if they are based on their parent's wishes.

Tell me, how does the Catholic School Board banning of a fiction/fantasy novel effect ANYONE that does not use the Catholic School system? How did it effect YOU when HP books were banned by the Catholic School Boards?

If you admit to not knowing how much "Catholic indoctrination" is going on in Catholic Schools, then how can you call for the abolishment of public funding for those Schools on that basis?

Ok...you are REALLY going to have to tell me how you propose that there be no religious or ethnic "indoctrination" of children before they are "old enough to know differntly" and exactley at what age that would be. Please keep in mind when framing your answer that many adults that practice one faith or another do so by attending a church/synogogue/mosque on a semi regular basis.

 

[lone wolf]

Did you not have input into your childs education? Were you not able to say, "that is what they teach, but this is what I believe and why"? You, the parent, have the largest role in teaching your children when it comes to Faith, or anything else for that matter.

At home? Yes. In the school - academically, yes. In the Church? Over a thousand years worth of archaic bureaucracy is not easily swayed.

The banning of the HP books did not effect me or mine at all. My second youngest fell in love with that series and made him an avid reader. Before HP he wouldn't pick up a book if his life depended on it. When the Archdiocese banned the series it didn't surprise me at all. It was inline with Catholic teaching. The same would apply to "dousing" or "witching", it's unfortunate that witching is applied to the art, but it is. Even though it was banned at your daughter's school, did it stop your daughter from learning about it, or you teaching her about it?

Let's just say neither school nor the Church got in the way of my kids' educations.

I didn't agree with the courts allowing the young man to bring his male date to the prom at the Catholic High School. It was not their right to grant that. It was the School boards right to refuse the young man's request because of the churches stand on homosexuality.

Personally, I don't find homosexuality a threat. If God made 'em that way, who am I to tell Her She's wrong?

If you're going to send your kids to a seperate school then you should not be surprised when the moral tenants of the faith are upheld by the School Board. If you have a problem with the board supporting the churches tennents than you should remove your kids from the seperate system and put them into the public.

Too late. My kids are grown and gone off to bigger and better things - well educated and quite prepared for whatever life may throw at them - with and without the Church's blessings.

Woof!

 

[gerryh]

Ok Wolf, then what exactley is the problem? You had the choice of where to send your kids for their education, why do you want that choice taken away from others?

 

[darkbeaver]

The monotheistic religions are all crimes against humanity and an affront to the real gods. Not to mention a dangerous degenerative disease of the mind, a killer on a par with hemoragic fever and heart disease, we've had enough religion already two thousand years of blood and hate and war and religion is directly responsible for the greater part of it. Among the knowledgable it's considered an abomination that spits in the face of nature and all that's good and just. amen

 

[gerryh]

The monotheistic religions are all crimes against humanity and an affront to the real gods. Not to mention a dangerous degenerative disease of the mind, a killer on a par with hemoragic fever and heart disease, we've had enough religion already two thousand years of blood and hate and war and religion is directly responsible for the greater part of it. Among the knowledgable it's considered an abomination that spits in the face of nature and all that's good and just. amen

Wrong.....as usual.

 

[darkbeaver]

The tomes back up my little yarn, two thousand years of prostration before an idol built from a lie and perpetuated by charlatans. In all that time not one mountain moved not one sparrow saved not one soul delivered. Religion, the wreaker of nations, the blackest art of all, harbourer of the wicked, perveyour of deciet. The church is nothing but a temple for stupidity,a haven for perversions unnumbered a scarlet house of forbidden carnal knowledge. All that I could forgive were it not for my poor first wife whom they addicted to bingo she languishes in the hall of cards and markers even yet. What salvation for her, none I wager, she will dwell in the house of the lord eternally waiting for O69. That's just my opinion but it is shared by most of this planet and several others.:-(

 

[lone wolf]

Ok Wolf, then what exactley is the problem? You had the choice of where to send your kids for their education, why do you want that choice taken away from others?

... uh ... where did you read that?

Woof!