Wynne trying to muzzle opposition with gas plant legal threat

lone wolf

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Just so were clear. Dalton McGuinty was Premier from 2003 to 2013. That's Ten years or if you prefer, two and bit terms, before he decided to jump ship because he knew this criminal misappropriation of ONE BILLION tax dollars to secure seats in an election would have sunk him.

Harris and Eves cannot be blamed for this BS. Sorry, join us in the present.

Anyone that votes for these crooks is beyond stupid.

If your politics are left leaning you should vote NDP.

As for kathleen Wynne's Liberal Party, they should be thrown in jail for this crap.

One billion dollars to secure three Liberal seats.

CRIMINAL.

Premier of Alberta racks up a hefty bill for a dignitary funeral and gets shown the door.

Premier of Ontario steals a billion dollars out of the Ontario taxpayers pocket for political gain and some Ontarion's blame Harris.

When will the Have Nots wake the F Up?
Let's be just as clear.... Ontario Hydro became a mish-mash of crown corporations in 1999, so yes, I can blame Harris for HIS part in this just as much as I blame McGuinty for HIS OWN part. Hudak mouths Wynne was in the upper reaches of McGuinty's government and pooh-poohs away his own exhalted position within Harris'. Neither one is blameless and both should be hung out to dry. You CAN read can't you - as in the words written and not those you want to debate. I don't need you or any other mouth breather to tell me where to place my vote.

What difference does it make if the Kool-Aid's red or blue if it's made with barnyard run-off?

BTW... This ain't Alberta
 

Locutus

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Lying Sleazebag McGuinty Says Lying Sleazebag Wynne As Incompetent As He Is - Both Know Nuffin Bout No Emails



Dalton McGuinty has broken his silence of the last three days, telling the Star it’s “ridiculous” to think Premier Kathleen Wynne could have known about wiping clean computer hard drives when he didn’t.

The former premier told the Star in a telephone call from Harvard University on Monday he was surprised as Ontarians were to learn his former chief of staff, David Livingston, was being investigated by Ontario Provincial Police for breach of trust.

“I found out about those allegations along with Ontarians at the end of last week,” McGuinty said of the Thursday bombshell that rocked Queen’s Park.

What a liar




Dalton McGuinty breaks silence amid gas plants furor | Toronto Star
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Let's be just as clear.... Ontario Hydro became a mish-mash of crown corporations in 1999, so yes, I can blame Harris for HIS part in this just as much as I blame McGuinty for HIS OWN part. Hudak mouths Wynne was in the upper reaches of McGuinty's government and pooh-poohs away his own exhalted position within Harris'. Neither one is blameless and both should be hung out to dry. You CAN read can't you - as in the words written and not those you want to debate. I don't need you or any other mouth breather to tell me where to place my vote.

Oh give me a break!

Mouth Breather! ROFLMAO.

Go ahead vote for who you want man. I don't care.

I have criticized the Harris government in the past. ie: 407 ETR.

But Dalton McGuinty spent his whole career as PM blaming everything on the Harris Government and I'm afraid that just doesn't wash anymore. That would be tantamount to me blaming the Jean Chretien for the disgusting way Harper's Conservatives are now treating our veterans. It's a deflection nothing more.

The Liberals have made a real mess here.
 

BornRuff

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Just so were clear. Dalton McGuinty was Premier from 2003 to 2013. That's Ten years or if you prefer, two and bit terms, before he decided to jump ship because he knew this criminal misappropriation of ONE BILLION tax dollars to secure seats in an election would have sunk him.

Harris and Eves cannot be blamed for this BS. Sorry, join us in the present.

Anyone that votes for these crooks is beyond stupid.

If your politics are left leaning you should vote NDP.

As for kathleen Wynne's Liberal Party, they should be thrown in jail for this crap.

One billion dollars to secure three Liberal seats.

CRIMINAL.

Premier of Alberta racks up a hefty bill for a dignitary funeral and gets shown the door.

Premier of Ontario steals a billion dollars out of the Ontario taxpayers pocket for political gain and some Ontarion's blame Harris.

When will the Have Nots wake the F Up?

Lets be clear, there is nothing criminal about spending money to cancel a power plant project.

It wasn't even just a Liberal policy choice. Tim Hudak stood in front of one of the site and said it was "done.....done, done".

Tim Hudak's Power Plant Promise: Done done - YouTube

Spending money to win votes is exactly what parties do. Every single penny that they spend, they do so hoping to win over voters so that they can hopefully keep their jobs.

The criminal aspect comes into play in what might have been done to cover up the costs.
 

Liberalman

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Gas plants that the PCs said they will get rid of if elected. I hope this goes to court but like the Right to Work PC leader Timmy will scurry away.

Muzzle or get thrown under the bus is a Conservative tradition just ask former Ontario PC MPP Peter Sherman
 

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Lets be clear, there is nothing criminal about spending money to cancel a power plant project.

It wasn't even just a Liberal policy choice. Tim Hudak stood in front of one of the site and said it was "done.....done, done".

Tim Hudak's Power Plant Promise: Done done - YouTube

Spending money to win votes is exactly what parties do. Every single penny that they spend, they do so hoping to win over voters so that they can hopefully keep their jobs.

The criminal aspect comes into play in what might have been done to cover up the costs.

Gas plants that the PCs said they will get rid of if elected. I hope this goes to court but like the Right to Work PC leader Timmy will scurry away.

Muzzle or get thrown under the bus is a Conservative tradition just ask former Ontario PC MPP Peter Sherman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqlsVZ1zxMk
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Lol, so knowing what is and isn't a crime makes me a sheep?

You got the same problem as Hudak. There are plenty of legitimate things to complain about. Making stuff up is just lazy.

No. You are a sheep. You follow the other sheep. If the Liberals told you that eating Goat *** was good for you would put on a big smile and bib. You along with the rest of the people who suck this is are enablers to criminal activity.

It is not legal to use taxpayer money to secure seats in an election. If the investigators get to the bottom of this there will be charges, but probably no major ones, they'll just toss one of the sheep like yourself under the bus and why not. You belong to a pretty big herd. What's one less moron?
 

BornRuff

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No. You are a sheep. You follow the other sheep. If the Liberals told you that eating Goat *** was good for you would put on a big smile and bib. You along with the rest of the people who suck this is are enablers to criminal activity.

It is not legal to use taxpayer money to secure seats in an election. If the investigators get to the bottom of this there will be charges, but probably no major ones, they'll just toss one of the sheep like yourself under the bus and why not. You belong to a pretty big herd. What's one less moron?

This is simply false. That is all that any party does during an election.

They promise to cut this tax, build this project, start this program, scrap that program. All of those things cost money, often many billions of dollars. Proposing major spending items is most appropriate at this time, since people actually have a chance to consider them and vote for whatever they think is best(though technically, since every party wanted to scrap these plants, they didn't really have a choice on that).

Look at the upcoming municipal election. Some of the candidates are promising subways in different areas of the city. That is a multi-billion dollar decision that plays to certain parts of Toronto.

When we elect representatives, we give them the power to spend our tax dollars. It is not illegal to spend them in ways that people think are unwise.

What is illegal is if money is stolen, or if details are covered up.
 

mentalfloss

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This situation is similar to the Daniel Dale Ford thing.

It will eventually end in Hudak making an apology to avoid the court dispute.
 

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What makes you think that misunderstand the basic facts of a situation makes you less of a sheep?

How can you effect any change if you don't understand what is going on?

I understand completely what is going on. The McGuinty Liberals cancelled a gas plant in the face of huge costs to the Ontario taxpayer in excess of a billion dollars to secure three seats in Oakville. McGuinty stepped down, in the wake of this revelation of this scandal.

This was stealing Ontario taxpayers money in order to avoid losing an election altogether. Basically, they used our tax money to bribe the NIMBY's in Oakville, and we got stuck with the bill. Then they lied repeatedly about the projected cost and now it looks as though they were erasing emails to try and cover it up.

It was misappropriation of tax dollars to turn around an election they were going to lose.

You are a sheep, because you'll jump up and down about Rob Ford or Mike Duffy, but defend this garbage.
 

BornRuff

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I understand completely what is going on. The McGuinty Liberals cancelled a gas plant in the face of huge costs to the Ontario taxpayer in excess of a billion dollars to secure three seats in Oakville. McGuinty stepped down, in the wake of this revelation of this scandal.

This was stealing Ontario taxpayers money in order to avoid losing an election altogether. Basically, they used our tax money to bribe the NIMBY's in Oakville, and we got stuck with the bill. Then they lied repeatedly about the projected cost and now it looks as though they were erasing emails to try and cover it up.

It was misappropriation of tax dollars to turn around an election they were going to lose.

You are a sheep, because you'll jump up and down about Rob Ford or Mike Duffy, but defend this garbage.

Again, where did I defend it? I said it wasn't illegal, and pointed out that the other major parties also promised to cancel the plant to win over the exact same voters.

How exactly do you differentiate "buying votes" from any other campaign promise that costs money?

The main problem here is the potential cover up.
 

mentalfloss

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The perils and politics of an alleged Queen’s Park cover-up

Tim Hudak keeps accusing Kathleen Wynne of criminal misconduct.

You may not agree with the Tory leader’s wild allegations that the premier personally oversaw a cover-up of the gas-plants scandal. But you have to give him credit for boldness.

Even after Wynne threatened him with a libel suit, Hudak has refused to be silenced.

Is he risking a court case that will saddle his Progressive Conservatives with soaring legal bills? And a costly libel judgment?

At first glance, it looks like Hudak has chosen political strategy over legal strategy.

A libel suit would take at least two years to get to court, whereas a spring election could be less than two months away. Losing a libel suit might seem a small price to pay for winning an election with a scandal mongering campaign that reduces our premier to a plaintiff.

But beyond political calculations, there are also legal considerations that may have emboldened Hudak to continue his crusade to criminalize and demonize Wynne.

As Leader of Her Majesty’s Loyal (but not necessarily responsible) Opposition, Hudak gets enormous leeway to oppose the premier. His legal advisers may be banking on the extreme reluctance of any Ontario court to punish an opposition leader for opposing the premier, even if recklessly.

Hudak is well placed to invoke the doctrine of fair comment, which allows people in certain circumstances (do not attempt this without legal advice!) to utter comments that can seem awfully unfair or outrageous — like the things he’s been repeating since late last week.

That’s when the Tory leader started hurling unsubstantiated charges at Wynne based on an OPP document. Whether fearlessly or foolishly, Hudak did so in a news conference outside the privileged confines of the legislature — where MPPs are automatically shielded from the laws of libel.

Hudak’s allegations prompted Wynne to fire off a written warning that he was defaming her. She demanded a retraction and apology.

Instead of backing down, Hudak called the premier’s bluff.

First thing Monday morning, he summoned the media for an encore performance. The most surprising aspect of Hudak’s over-the-top allegations was that he repeated them at a news conference rather than wait another 45 minutes for the start of the daily question period — when he would be shielded by the legislature’s legal privilege.

Hudak once again alleged those OPP documents showed Wynne oversaw a criminal cover-up over the cancellation of gas-fired power plants (they don’t). In fact, the OPP documents, which have not been tested or proven in court, allege that McGuinty’s then chief of staff, David Livingston, committed a breach of trust by improperly securing extraordinary “administrator” access for his deputy’s boyfriend to erase as many as two dozen computer hard drives used by McGuinty staffers.

Rather than focus on McGuinty’s tarnished legacy and the damaged Liberal brand, Hudak went far beyond what the facts show: Seizing on a police notation that the improper “administrator” access had a pre-programmed expiration six weeks later — lasting from Feb. 6 to March 20, 2013 — Hudak took it out of context to claim that the hard drives were still being erased after Wynne took over as premier on Feb. 11th of last year. In fact, the OPP document refers to computer erasures on Feb. 6 and 7, not while Wynne was in power.


Yet Hudak persisted, unpersuasively: “This happened under Kathleen Wynne’s watch, not Dalton McGuinty’s.”

It seems the Tory leader’s strategy isn’t just defaming Wynne, but daring her to take him to court. If so, what’s the premier’s next move?

After writing an “open letter” Sunday warning Hudak to desist, she followed up with a lawyer’s letter Monday saying much the same thing. But still no formal libel suit, at least not yet.

On reflection, the Liberals may be hesitant to get sucked into a losing legal battle. But on balance, Hudak may be getting better legal advice than political advice.

Many Ontarians will probably believe Hudak’s unsupported allegations if he keeps repeating them often enough — unchallenged. Yet every time he steps into a room of reporters who have actually read the police document — and can see how he is deliberately misreading it — the Tory leader risks diminishing his long-term credibility.

In the months ahead, Hudak may well dodge a libel case, only to defeat himself in an election campaign. At which time Tories may ask why their leader didn’t stick to the damning facts about the final days of McGuinty’s reign, rather than inventing fanciful scenarios about the first days of Wynne’s premiership.

The perils and politics of an alleged Queen’s Park cover-up
 
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