Would You Rat Out Your Neighbour For Having A Green Lawn During A Drought?

Would you rather?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 37.5%
  • No

    Votes: 5 62.5%

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petros

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VANCOUVER — If you’re among the hundreds visited by bylaw officers across Metro Vancouver with a warning to dial down your sprinkler, chances are you were ratted out by neighbours.

Metro’s water restrictions to slow down the rate of its rapidly evaporating reservoirs appear to be turning us into drought-shamers.

Is this an example of good civic duty or bad-karma bait? Does the end (conservation) justify the means (“snitching”)?

The City of Vancouver’s website says its “priority is making sure everyone has safe water to drink” and also to bathe, toilet and wash dishes and laundry. “So if you notice someone is breaking the lawn-watering regulation, it is a big deal,” the website says.

Hundreds appear to agree. Since June 1, complaints to the 311 line in Vancouver alone have topped 780 or about 20 a day.

“The vast majority of complaints come from the public,” said spokesman Jag Sandhu, who said there have been 700 warnings and two tickets issued in this, the educating phase of the bylaw, which precedes the enforcement stage.

Surrey has issued 215 warnings since June 1, Port Coquitlam 25 in the last three days (all from neighbours), and Langley township 140 calls, including complaints, which “usually come from residents living in the same neighbourhood.”

Surrey bylaws manager Jas Rehal said officers are looking for violators, but “we value the public calling because we want to make sure we don’t misuse our drinking water.”

“It’s not a matter of snitching, they’re concerned about the misuse of water,” he said.

Last week’s ramping up of restrictions to Stage 2, which allows only early-morning lawn watering for five hours a week on an assigned day, has sparked debate on what’s worse for a community — hose-happy lawn-lovers or the neighbours who report them.

Meagan Jones, 32, of Surrey was surprised that her Reddit thread took off when she asked: Would you dial 311 to report a neighbour ignoring water restrictions? She noted some worry reporting a neighbour creates distrust and detracts from a sense of community, but she said she would call in a “very blatant misuse of water,” like hosing a driveway.

But “a more neighbourly thing to do would be to bring it to their attention (first),” she said.

Dan Carkner, a library technician from east Vancouver, posted: “I can’t accept that somehow the language of organized crime and omertà applies to municipal violations.”

And he said the word “snitch” is a negative, inflammatory word, and he only called 311 to report a business after it had watered for three days in a row for hours at a time.

But another poster suggested a friendly conversation with the offender: “Ratting out your neighbour will only create further conflict down the road, I guarantee it.”

But the majority were pro-snitching, with one employing choice profanity for those watering their grass, even when allowed, and another suggesting a Facebook page to “start some kind of a shaming process.”

“Drought-shaming” hasn’t migrated yet from California, where residents report violators (especially celebrities) on social media and apps, as one did with “commie lover Sean Penn’s lush green lawn,” and others did Wednesday with news of Tom Selleck allegedly stocking up on water from a hydrant.

Vancouver School Board trustee Patti Bacchus used #droughtshaming in tweets Wednesday when calling for a sprinkling ban for lawns and declaring “green lawns are the new Hummers,” while boasting of her brown lawn. But while the tweet was applauded and ridiculed, the hashtag didn’t take off.

Jones said publishing addresses could be dangerous if it attracted confrontational “social-justice warriors.”

Vancouver sent out a bulletin Wednesday warning “bylaw officers will be escalating enforcement” and the fine is $250. Watering flower and vegetable gardens, decorative planters, shrubs and trees is allowed.

http://www.theprovince.com/touch/story.html?id=11198675
 
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Twila

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We told I neighbour that the water restrictions in place meant he was not allowed to wash his car.

He had no idea. He stopped washing his car when he learned of the fine.

Depending on the person, I might anonymously let City of Surrey know or I might just let the neighbour know that they're not suppose to be watering their lawns with the restrictions in place.
 

talloola

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no I wouldn't report them, I would rather inform them, without any sarcasm or anger, it is then up
to them, if they didn't know and then changed their habits, then good, if they did know and don't
care, they will soon be fined, and probably somebody would report them.

I'm not aperson to report people unless it was a dangerous situation.

we kept our lawn nice and green under stage #2 restrictions, but as soon as stage#3 was enforced,
we stopped, thankfully the bit of rain we have periodically had, and the fact that we kept our
lawn long after stage#3, helps it protect itself.

i used grey water today, to water a plant, and we are talking about putting a rain barrel by the
house for the winter, to help watering in the spring of next year.

we had very little rain for this zone last winter, very low snow pack, very little run off from
the mountains, i hope that changes this winter.
 

talloola

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I hope it does too.

yeah, i hope all of those prairieites who make fun of our rain, will have a chance
to do it again, our rain is precious, keeps this province green and fresh,
i would hate to see it begin to turn brown.

just take a look around the world, down south, California and other areas, they would
give their eye teeth for seasonal rain, they are in trouble.
 

petros

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yeah, i hope all of those prairieites who make fun of our rain, will have a chance
to do it again, our rain is precious, keeps this province green and fresh,
i would hate to see it begin to turn brown.

just take a look around the world, down south, California and other areas, they would
give their eye teeth for seasonal rain, they are in trouble.

It ended down there.

Prairieites get water from snow and from evaporation as thunderstorms and know the value of water management.
 

petros

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No!

Research studies revealed overall temperature of urban areas may be as much as 9 to 12°F (5 to 7 °C) warmer than that of nearby rural areas.

Through the cooling process of transpiration, turfgrasses dissipate high levels of radiant heat in urban areas.

Maximum daily canopy temperatures of a green, growing Cynodon turf (Bermuda grass) was found to be 38°F (21 °C) cooler than a brown dormant turf and 70°F (39 °C) cooler than a synthetic surface (Table 1; Beard and Johns, 1985).

The transpirational cooling effect of green turfs and landscapes can save energy by reductions in the energy input required for interior mechanical cooling of adjacent homes and buildings (Johns and Beard, 1985).

Running AC lowers reservoir levels more than watering would.
 

AnnaG

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I doubt I would report unless it was a ridiculous amount of water usage for something ridiculous.
BTW, hydrangeas, roses, and other bushes are great for keeping an area cooler as are trees; even more so than lawns.
 

Twila

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i used grey water today, to water a plant, and we are talking about putting a rain barrel by the
house for the winter, to help watering in the spring of next year.

Are you concerned at all that any detergents and such in the grey water might adversely effect your plants?

I use to use our fish waste water and the plants loved it. Our fish died and we haven't had the tank running for months.

I'm tempted to get some more fish just so I can have the water for the garden.

I doubt I would report unless it was a ridiculous amount of water usage for something ridiculous.
BTW, hydrangeas, roses, and other bushes are great for keeping an area cooler as are trees; even more so than lawns.

Our backyard has several trees and shrubs. due to some of the run off from our rock garden most of the grass hasn't gone brown in our back yard. It also helps keep our down stairs cool.
 

AnnaG

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Actually, if it isn't too strong, soapy water can at least keep some parasites away, like aphids and spider mites.

YAY for cool downstairses. hehe
 

petros

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I doubt I would report unless it was a ridiculous amount of water usage for something ridiculous.
BTW, hydrangeas, roses, and other bushes are great for keeping an area cooler as are trees; even more so than lawns.
Trees and grass are about even for surface area but trees use more water.
 

AnnaG

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Trees and grass are about even for surface area but trees use more water.
Depends upon what kind of tree.
Some treees can root very deeply and reach ground water. Some can survive quite long periods of time without water, like ponderosa pines, for instance.

And bushes provide a lot more shade than grass.