World Intelligence (Russia, France...) on WMD Was the Same

[Jay]

RE: World Intelligence (Russia, France...) on WMD Was the Sa

I didn't read that book.


Sadam is the cause of Iraq's troubles.

(PS...I suppose I should ask you before I say happy remembrance day) :roll:

 

[pastafarian]

Re: World Intelligence (Russia, France...) on WMD Was the Sa

Virtually all the human and material capital of Iraq belongs to (mostly American) corporations, for the plunder and profit.
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This is false and misleading for several reasons.

No, it's not.

First, the US is violating its army's own Law of Land Warfare, which states that "the occupant does not have the right of sale or unqualified use of [nommilitary] property."

Bremer has allowed formerly state-owned businesses to be sold off, without democratic consultation, to buyers of the Bush administration's choosing. In addition, the whole Iraqi economy has been re-tooled to allow Iraqis no say in the running of corporations in their country, no way to ensure health or environmental standards, no way to launch competitive ventures.

Thus, the U.S. corporations that have received billions of tax-payer dollars for reconstruction in Iraq could own every business, do all the work, and send all of their money home. Nothing need be reinvested in Iraq nor specifically designed to aid the Iraqi economy. In addition, the Bremer Orders are illegal under international law. They directly violate the international convention governing the behavior of occupying forces and the Hague regulations of 1907 (the companion to the 1949 Geneva conventions, both ratified by the United States). Indeed, in a leaked memo written on March 26, the British attorney general, Lord Goldsmith, warned Tony Blair that "the imposition of major structural economic reforms [in Iraq] would not be authorized by international law."

If all 100 orders are taken together, they set the overall legal framework for overriding foreign exploitation of Iraq’s domestic market. They cover almost all facets of the economy, including Iraq’s trading regime, the mandate of the Central Bank, and regulations governing trade union activities. Collectively, they lay down the foundations for the real US objective in Iraq, apart from keeping control of the oil supply, namely the imposition of a neoliberal capitalist economy controlled and run by US transnational corporations.

But what is remarkable about these laws is not only their overall degree of control, but their far-reaching application. Order 81, for example, has the status of binding law over “patent industrial design, undisclosed information, integrated circuits and plant variety” — a degree of detailed supervision normally associated with a Soviet command-and-control economy. While historically the Iraqi Constitution prohibited private ownership of biological resources, the new US-imposed patent law introduces a system of monopoly rights over seeds. This is virtually a takeover of Iraqi agriculture.

The rights granted to US plant breeding companies under this order include the exclusive right to produce, reproduce, sell, export, import and store the plant varieties covered by intellectual property right for the next 20-25 years. During this extended period nobody can plant or otherwise use plants, trees or vines without compensating the breeder.

The implications of all 100 Bremer orders is frightening and Iraq is bound by them for 40 years, unless the Iraqis can free themselves from their conquerors.

It's theft, pure and simple. It is the main reason that Iraq was invaded in my opinion.

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[peapod]

Re: World Intelligence (Russia, France...) on WMD Was the Sa

Excellent post pasta man. The bush government no longer defends their orginal reasons (lies) for invading Iraq. Incompetence and propaganda their blunt tools. Now low and behold, its time to try and justify and defend their lies. They have no honor, and they cannot defend their actions. They invaded another country, to steal their natural resources, under the guise of democracy propaganda.

 

[Twila]

RE: World Intelligence (R

I just figured out what Bush is doing!!! He's taking Harry S. Truman's quote to heart!

"If you can't convince them, confuse them."

And it's working....at least on his own people

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: World Intelligence (R

I just figured out what Bush is doing!!! He's taking Harry S. Truman's quote to heart!

"If you can't convince them, confuse them."

And it's working....at least on his own people

Yep...Or as some would say: "if ya can't beat them with brains......ya baffle them with bullsh*t."

and bush has been shovelling more bullcrap than anyone else in recent history. Not sure even he knows what the truth/reality is anymore. (might be why he trips himself up so often)

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: World Intelligence (Russia, France...) on WMD Was the Sa

Virtually all the human and material capital of Iraq belongs to (mostly American) corporations, for the plunder and profit.
--------------pastafarian-----------------------

This is false and misleading for several reasons.

No, it's not.

First, the US is violating its army's own Law of Land Warfare, which states that "the occupant does not have the right of sale or unqualified use of [nommilitary] property."

Bremer has allowed formerly state-owned businesses to be sold off, without democratic consultation, to buyers of the Bush administration's choosing. In addition, the whole Iraqi economy has been re-tooled to allow Iraqis no say in the running of corporations in their country, no way to ensure health or environmental standards, no way to launch competitive ventures.

Thus, the U.S. corporations that have received billions of tax-payer dollars for reconstruction in Iraq could own every business, do all the work, and send all of their money home. Nothing need be reinvested in Iraq nor specifically designed to aid the Iraqi economy. In addition, the Bremer Orders are illegal under international law. They directly violate the international convention governing the behavior of occupying forces and the Hague regulations of 1907 (the companion to the 1949 Geneva conventions, both ratified by the United States). Indeed, in a leaked memo written on March 26, the British attorney general, Lord Goldsmith, warned Tony Blair that "the imposition of major structural economic reforms [in Iraq] would not be authorized by international law."

If all 100 orders are taken together, they set the overall legal framework for overriding foreign exploitation of Iraq’s domestic market. They cover almost all facets of the economy, including Iraq’s trading regime, the mandate of the Central Bank, and regulations governing trade union activities. Collectively, they lay down the foundations for the real US objective in Iraq, apart from keeping control of the oil supply, namely the imposition of a neoliberal capitalist economy controlled and run by US transnational corporations.

But what is remarkable about these laws is not only their overall degree of control, but their far-reaching application. Order 81, for example, has the status of binding law over “patent industrial design, undisclosed information, integrated circuits and plant variety” — a degree of detailed supervision normally associated with a Soviet command-and-control economy. While historically the Iraqi Constitution prohibited private ownership of biological resources, the new US-imposed patent law introduces a system of monopoly rights over seeds. This is virtually a takeover of Iraqi agriculture.

The rights granted to US plant breeding companies under this order include the exclusive right to produce, reproduce, sell, export, import and store the plant varieties covered by intellectual property right for the next 20-25 years. During this extended period nobody can plant or otherwise use plants, trees or vines without compensating the breeder.

The implications of all 100 Bremer orders is frightening and Iraq is bound by them for 40 years, unless the Iraqis can free themselves from their conquerors.

It's theft, pure and simple. It is the main reason that Iraq was invaded in my opinion.

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Good job posting pasta!! Bravo

 

[meitme]

RE: World Intelligence (R

they would say exactly where it was i have seen satilite photos of where it was belived to be. so why did the weapons inspectors not check into that. it is all because they did not want to look like liars.

I bilive that saddam hussiens problems where not that he had weapons of mass destruction but that he did not have them. everyone knows the north koreans have nuke and the US will not invade because of that. whatever president did that would lose the nest election becuase there would be a container that carried a nuke in new york harbor(only an example) that would have a nuke in it and explode. many other similar things would happen.

 

[peapod]

Re: World Intelligence (Russia, France...) on WMD Was the Sa

excellent theory, perhaps you should submit it to the fox network :wink:

 

[Twila]

RE: World Intelligence (R

So what do you suppose would have happened had Saddam completely complied and it was proven for all the world that he had no WMD without the US invading?

Who do you think would have invaded Iraq first then?

 

[peapod]

Re: World Intelligence (Russia, France...) on WMD Was the Sa

Just a wild guess twinks, but I put my money on spongebob squarepants. I hear bikini bottom is in need of natural resources...mmmmm I wonder if they will like the krusty krab over in Iraq

 

[TenPenny]

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It is true Jim that the Saudis own the oil but the Americans own and control the House of Saud. And now we see the same idea happening in Iraq. A government and a constitution written and created by the US.

No, you've got it wrong. The Americans DON'T own the house of Saud; that's the problem. Unfortunately, too many members of the house of Saud are supporters of bin Laden, so the US needs Iraqi oil as a counter to Saudi oil. To show the Saudi royals that if they decide to cater to bin Laden's crowd, then maybe their oil won't be needed.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Re: World Intelligence (Russia, France...) on WMD Was the Sa

So what do you suppose would have happened had Saddam completely complied and it was proven for all the world that he had no WMD without the US invading?

Sanctions would have been lifted, France and Russia would have gotten the contracts, Saddam would have adopted the Euro as his oil currency and pushed the rest of OPEC to do the same. The US would likely have invaded Venezuela by now.

 

[moghrabi]

Re: RE: World Intelligence (R

So what do you suppose would have happened had Saddam completely complied and it was proven for all the world that he had no WMD without the US invading?

Who do you think would have invaded Iraq first then?

Twila,

Saddam complied with all UN resolution. It is the US that insisted that he is not complying and have WMD. They wanted the OIL.

 

[moghrabi]

Re: RE: World Intelligence (R

It is true Jim that the Saudis own the oil but the Americans own and control the House of Saud. And now we see the same idea happening in Iraq. A government and a constitution written and created by the US.

No, you've got it wrong. The Americans DON'T own the house of Saud; that's the problem. Unfortunately, too many members of the house of Saud are supporters of bin Laden, so the US needs Iraqi oil as a counter to Saudi oil. To show the Saudi royals that if they decide to cater to bin Laden's crowd, then maybe their oil won't be needed.

The US control the House of Saud. OBL controls the masses there.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: World Intelligence (R

So what do you suppose would have happened had Saddam completely complied and it was proven for all the world that he had no WMD without the US invading?

Who do you think would have invaded Iraq first then?

Twila,

Saddam complied with all UN resolution. It is the US that insisted that he is not complying and have WMD. They wanted the OIL.

they wanted the resources ........AND they wanted strategic physical positioning in the ME. If anyone thought the US is going to leave Iraq........they are deluding themselves. Massive military bases will be housing the US troops etc for many years to come..........Unless something really drastic happens. But don't think the US is going to let go of what it considers its prize......all that easily. Iraqis mean NOTHING to the US.....never have. And all the whining about how bad SH was.......is just hysteria that plays well ....

 

[pastafarian]

Re: World Intelligence (Russia, France...) on WMD Was the Sa

Iraqis mean NOTHING to the US.....never have

Hell, if we're going down that road, non-rich Americans mean nothing to the Bush administration..never have.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: World Intelligence (Russia, France...) on WMD Was the Sa

Iraqis mean NOTHING to the US.....never have

Hell, if we're going down that road, non-rich Americans mean nothing to the Bush administration..never have.

and you are quite right on that one ,pasta. Non rich..... with a pigmentation issue.......are ignored completely. (and we have seen that one in living color.....grief)

 

[jimmoyer]

RE: World Intelligence (Russia, France...) on WMD Was the Sa

Since the last posts brought up the subject of what Americans care about or don't care about, perhaps it is germane to discuss who is morally profound about caring about anyone else in this glass house of cyber righteousness.

Do any of you care about these people more than the Americans ?

Anyone here know why they are more stoked up about Palestinian automony (a worthy cause) more than they are excited about the Kurds having autonomy or Chechnya ? Or Tibet?

Anyone here willing to let a genocide in Bosnia and Croatia go on because it is not right to intervene and wage war ?

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: World Intelligence (R

Apparently you haven't been paying attention, Jimmy.

 

[peapod]

Re: World Intelligence (Russia, France...) on WMD Was the Sa

Knock! knock! is anybody home in your head jimmy?? What do you not understand about this statement!!

Its wrong to INVADE another country to STEAL its natural resources and use democracy as a guise for that INVASION...
but please continue on justifing your governments lies.