Why you hate the Conservatives and what is it about Liberals

mrmom2

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But big bad Belinda broke little Peters heart :p What a load of bull that was on the news :lol: :lol: :lol: Now if she had cut it out I'd of loved that :twisted:
 

Reverend Blair

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Peter MacKay has not changed any of his stances on any issues. I believe the pledge you are talking about was to David Orchard.

He sold out like a rock star doing a shampoo commercial. MacKay has no honour. He's the Bay City Roller of Canadian politics.
 

bluealberta

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Reverend Blair said:
Peter MacKay has not changed any of his stances on any issues. I believe the pledge you are talking about was to David Orchard.

He sold out like a rock star doing a shampoo commercial. MacKay has no honour. He's the Bay City Roller of Canadian politics.

Given that the Liberals basically sell out to every special interest group, including the NDP, they have the record for sell outs. MacKay and Harper both have more integrity and honour in their little fingers than any liberal or NDP MP. The liberals buy votes, the NDP sell their votes. If the liberals had any honour, the $5billion bought by the NDP would have been in the original budget. Funny how the Liberals now claim this money is absolutly necessary, yet it was not necessary when they had their original budget a couple of months before. That people actually believe this crap is the unbelievable part.

The conservatives promote fiscal responsibility, as evidenced by their amendments to Bill C-48. They proposed an amendment which would have required some some sort of idea how and where the new money would have been spent to be defined by Dec 31 of this year. Hardly radical stuff. The Libs and NDP'rs voted it down. Wonder what their hidden agenda is, if they don't want any kind of fiscal responsibility attached to $5billion of new money. 8O
 

mrmom2

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Rev said He's the Bay City Roller of Canadian politics.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That is way too funny :lol: :lol: 8) All he needs is a new hair cut :p
 

bluealberta

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The Philosopher said:
LeftCoast said:
If Stephen Harpo had been Prime Minister for the last 4 years:

1. Canadian Troops would be deployed right now in Iraq fighting George Bush's stupid war or Islam.

Kind of. The "coalition of the willing" didn't actually fight in the war. The coalition sent troops after the war to maintain the peace in the nation.

2. Canada would have never reatified the Kyoto Protocol, rather right wing nut jobs from Alberta who continue to deny the fact of global warming (and that the earth is older than 6000 years) would be formulating Canada's climate change policies.

Global warming is not what Kyoto Protocal and David Suzuki think it is. The old idea was that pollution created global warming. Then a bunch of scientists had a new line of thought, hrm... how do we explain the ice age and the heating of the earth at that time?

Global warming is a natural process and has been going on for the last 6,000 years. What the Conservatives set instead of the Kyoto Accord is emissions reductions as a part of "Millennium Goals."

3. We would now be spending billions of dollars to assist the Americans in deployment of their Balistic Missile Defense system. Considering that the last big attack on the continent of North America was carried out with box cutters and flight manuals this seems at best a waste and at worst a destabilizing escallation in the militarization of space.

NORAD Missile Defence is a land based missile program. The program is based on the PATRIOT missile which was designed to knock nuclear weapons out of the sky, but is currently used to knock SCUD missiles out of the sky... they work.

Secondly, the Americans offered to pay ALL of the expenses of this defence program.

4. Stephen Harpo would have passed a civil union act to deny gays the right to marry but allow civil unions (an area of provincial jurisdiction BTW). This new law would be unconstitutional and would be sure to be struck down by the Supreme Court - putting Harpo and the CPC on the path to passing an equivalent to the current bill C-38 definition of marriage act.

What the hell are you talking about? MARRIAGE is provincial jurisdiction. The big controversy now is that gays get married in New Brunswick and when they head to Alberta they're suddenly not married. Marriage is provincial, just like civil unions. The Federal Government has NEVER had any obligation to EVER pass any legislation on ANY kind of gay marriage legislation, that has ALWAYS been in the hands of the provinces. Now 9/10 provinces have legislated it and 1/3 territories has legislated it. Harper would have had in no way to legislate marriage into federal politics.

And another thing, even if Federal Government legislated gay marriage, because it IS provincial jurisdiction Alberta only has to perform gay marriages, they do not have to recognize them.




The reason why most people hate Conservatives is because of a lot of hate literatures and demonizing. The second-man in the new Conservative Party is a Blue Tory, the front runner is a Reformer. IF the religious right was ruling this party there would be no civil unions. If the Reformers truly took over the party they would be vouching for Albertan separation (they haven't even mentioned the word "separation" unless it was in regard to the Bloc).

The thing I hate most about Canadians today is that they hate the Conservatives because they are bigots and they only choose the Liberals because they're not Conservatives. I mean they could have gone to the NDP if they really cared. But they would rather have a government that secretly steals from them every day than any kind of responsible different government.

Excellent points, Phil. The fact that so many people buy into this stuff is the scary part, it shows just how lazy the electorate is in this country. Unfortunately, the people influenced by marginal sound bites, without doing any research at all, are the ones that affect the polls. The question may be,if they are lazy enough to believe all the fearmongering, are they also too lazy to vote? We can only hope these ignorant uninformed have other things to do than vote.
 

Reverend Blair

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Geeze that blue guy is a sour, humourless bastard, eh?

That is way too funny Laughing Laughing Cool All he needs is a new hair cut Razz

Actually he has about the same hairdo as the Bay City Rollers. If he got a new do, it'd move him up into the realm of a Frampton hanger-on.
:wink:
 

bluealberta

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Re: Why you hate the Conservatives and what is it about Libe

Reverend Blair said:
Geeze that blue guy is a sour, humourless bastard, eh?

That is way too funny Laughing Laughing Cool All he needs is a new hair cut Razz

Actually he has about the same hairdo as the Bay City Rollers. If he got a new do, it'd move him up into the realm of a Frampton hanger-on.
:wink:

Naw, I find you and your politics hilarious. Misguided, but hilarious. :wink: :roll:
 

mrmom2

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Blue is NWO all the way he advocates everything they stand for 8O What are you Blue CIA or something :p The more Iread the more I think your a spook
Cue the music :wink:
 

bluealberta

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Reverend Blair said:
:roll: I'm on my best behaviour, so I won't say that.

Best Behaviour? Gotta see this.

Anyway, to get back on topic, the conservatives stand for fiscally responsible programs, accountability, freedom to MP's, improved military funding, less government regulations, lower personal and corporate taxes based on the surpluses and hidden money currently in place, and improving relations with a country that we do a billion dollars a day in trade with, said trade providing Canadians with thousands of jobs. They also are committed to putting into place policies and guidelines to ensure the scandals like ADSCAM, HRDC, and EI don't occur again.

Given the proven track record of the liberals over the last 12 years, only people who want a corrupt, lying, cheating, tired, arrogant, incompetent, fiscally irresponsible government will continue to vote for the Liberals and their bum buddies, Smiling Jack-off and his crew of socialists.

Postive programs from the conservatives, proven track record of negativity and ineptitude from the liberals. Anyone with any kind of independent thought would do everything to promote the positive and eliminate the negative and inept.
 

bluealberta

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mrmom2 said:
Blue is NWO all the way he advocates everything they stand for 8O What are you Blue CIA or something :p The more Iread the more I think your a spook
Cue the music :wink:
:roll: :wink:
 

Reverend Blair

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Again, I'm on my best behaviour. As some you may know though, I am a huge fan of the Violent Femmes.

Blue...assuming that you ever actually listened to a song...do you remember this one:

"He's telling Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies..."

Every time I hear it I think the Conservatives, Stevie Harper, and his most ardent supporters.
 

Vanni Fucci

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The Philosopher said:
I'm not a creationist, I'm an atheist. I could have chosen any number but I chose 6,000 years. Global warming has been going on forever, the ice caps have been melting for a long time... nothing new is changing here.

My apologies then...my gut told me that you quoting 6000 years was a bit too much of a coincidence, and I went with it... :?
 

Nascar_James

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Nascar_James said:
TenPenny said:
You seriously expect me to believe that the Green Party in the US is less left than the Liberals?

Considering that the Liberals here are more conservative than the Democrats in the US, that must make the Green Party pretty right wing.

You have no clue as to what you are talking about. Where did you get this info. from? The Democrats in the US are considered to be way more conservative than the Liberals in Canada. They support the death penalty don't they?

The Democrats in the US are equivalent to the Conservatives in Canada. There is no Canadian equivalent (too bad) in Canada for the Republicans. They are the only real party for folks on the right.

Speaking of Democrats, things are looking up. Here in Oklahoma, the Democrat party has very recently gone broke and they had to fire all it's members. So the few Democrats that we had here, exist no more.

That is the best news I've heard in a long time!

My wife (who by the way is an American Citizen and a registered Republican voter) and myself actually went out to celebrate this momentous occassion.
 

LeftCoast

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Kind of. The "coalition of the willing" didn't actually fight in the war. The coalition sent troops after the war to maintain the peace in the nation.

Wrong - last I checked, UK, Australian and Spanish troops were involved in the initial invasion along with US troops.

Global warming is not what Kyoto Protocal and David Suzuki think it is. The old idea was that pollution created global warming. Then a bunch of scientists had a new line of thought, hrm... how do we explain the ice age and the heating of the earth at that time?

Flat wrong. There is no scientific controversy about global warming - there is a political controversy. It is not just David Suziki. Virtually every credible scientist who studies this phenomenon is in general agreement that anthroprogenic (man made) CO2 forcing is causing an increase in the green house effect and causing global warming. Virtually every scientist who disagrees with this is on the payroll of an oil company or some neoconservative think tank. Government and NGO organizations that support the general consensus on global warming include:

US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Adminstration (NOAA) National Climate Data Center.

US Environmental Protection Agency.

Environment Canada

United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

UK Royal Society - the world's oldest and most respected independent scientific organization.

US National Accademy of Sciences

If you are going to quote Patrick Michaels, Sherwood Idso, Robert Balling or Fred Singer, please understand that they all are funded in various ways by the American Petroleum Institute. They do not represent the gold standard in scientific research, that is, independent, publicly funded, peer reviewed, published research.

Secondly, most scientists are not confused between historical and prehistorical ice ages and the current global warming. While they do not know all of the causes of ice ages, they have some pretty good theories, including the Milankovitch Theory which prosits that ice ages are the result of a convergence of the changing of the Earths tile (which is cyclic over about 20,000 years), and the ecentricity of the earths orbit (which is cyclic over 100,000 years). The current global warming does not coincide with either of these measurable phenomenons and has happened over 150 years.

NORAD Missile Defence is a land based missile program. The program is based on the PATRIOT missile which was designed to knock nuclear weapons out of the sky, but is currently used to knock SCUD missiles out of the sky... they work.

Secondly, the Americans offered to pay ALL of the expenses of this defence program.

Not flat wrong, but misleading.

True, the Americans have proposed a land based balistic missile defense, but even that would invalidate the balistic missile treaty. Unilateral voidance of this treaty will only create uncertainty and insecurity in Russia and China. In a nuclear situation, uncertainty is a bad thing.

They also have no intention of stopping there. The Americans have made it very clear that a "boost phase" balisitic missile defense (as opposed to reentry or terminal phase) is their ultimate goal. You can not achieve boost phase defense against intercontinental missiles with a land based system. It has to go in space.

Secondly, the Patriot has (eventually) been proven moderately effective against fairly low tech SCUD missiles, but not against more sophisticated balistic missiles. If you recall from the Gulf war, it took several rounds of upgrades before the Patriot PAC-2 missiles were even effective against SCUDS. If we are talking nuclear armed balistic missiles, you don't get second chances to upgrade your software. The Patriot PAC-3 has not been battle tested. So far the system has failed most of its intercept tests.

Fourthly, the proposed system is useless against cruise missiles. The Russians have co-developed with India a supersonic cruise missile with a range of about 400km. This range has been intentionally limited to prevent violating anti proliferation treaties. There is no current defense against supersonic stealth cruise missiles.

Fifthly, who would such a system be defending against? Terrorist don't use balistic missiles. Some guy in Newzealand demonstrated that a decent welder could build a home made cruise missile in his garage, but terrorists are not likely to use cruise missiles either. Terrorists favorite weapons are suit cases.

The cold war is over. Todays threats are not from Russia or China, but from countries like North Korea, Iran, Pakistan etc. Of these, only North Korea has a chance of reaching the North American continent with a balistic missile. Containment, isolation, negotiations and coersion are far more effective that BMDs. If you want to deploy balistic missile defense, do it in Korea or Japan where it is less of a threat to destabilize relations with China and Russia.

Lastly - it is the overwhelming viewpoint of most Canadian that we should not participate in this program.

I believe that Canada should cooperate with the US on continental defense in the basing and development of radar and tracking systems, and, to the extent to which they are effective, in ship based medium range air defense systems (and the integration of these systems into command and control infrastructure). We should not be basing missiles on Canadian soil which violate treaties which most Canadians beleive are essential to peace and stability in a nuclear capable world.
 

Jay

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Because all creditable scientist are left wingers who work for the government…
 

mrmom2

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Jay you are a character :wink:
 

Jay

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It just comes to me out of no where... 8O
 

Andygal

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I "strongly dislike" the Conservatives because of their extrme right-wing policies. I consider Stephen Harper to be a panderer to big-business and extreme religious viewpoints, the former of wish I distrust, the latter of which I find highly offensive.

I consider the Liberals to be the lesser of two evils, I don't like them, I don't agree with a lot of their policies, and I am PO'd with them over "Adscam". However I consider them less dangerous then the fanatical right wing leadership of the Conservative party, who I believe are very dangerous to Canadian identity because they pander to George W. Bush, who, I to put it blunty, despise wholly and completely. Given the choice between the corrupt and fanatical Conservatives and the corrupt, but more reasonable Liberals, I would choose the latter. However I suppor the policies of the NDP and will vote for them in the next election.