Why we must remember the bloody cost of Waterloo

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We all know the actual events of Waterloo. At least, I do. It's all there in the history books.

Yes well there's your problem, history is not in history books you dumb limey. You should be slapped for your use of the word frog.
 

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Britain is Canada's Mother Nation. Without the British Empire, there would be no Canada.

Canada existed long before the Brits came along and will be around long after the Empire has shrunk even further... As each year goes by, the UK shrinks more and more, while those same nations reach out to Canada and the US for stronger ties.

This should tell you something

As for the French - it isn't the French system of governance that Canada has.

Th French are the group that developed democracy in it's contemporary form... You Brits are among many nations that use it as their model

Canada doesn't have Hollande as its Head of State. It has Elizabeth II.

The Queen does not even count as a nicety anymore in terms of a figurehead. It makes no difference whatsoever what the monarchy thinks in terms of Canada and our manner of conducting gvt and our daily lives... Absolutely no one in Canada thinks about the Queen other than on the occasional visit.

It's sad that someone like you maintains this imaginary belief that Britain is relevant to Canada in any way other than the small amount of trade that we do together.

Canada's military model is based on Britain's, not France's.

Our military model is developed on our own system, but if one were to really analyze, we are closer to the USA than anyone else

Canada got its independence from Britain, not France,

Canada took it's own independence at our own leisure.. Britain had no say about it at all.

and today is a member of the Commonwealth

'The Commonwealth' is almost as useless as the UN

They should have kept acknowledging and thanking the Mother Country for creating Canada).

To reiterate, Britain is in no way the 'Mother Country'... You will do well to understand this

Something which has never happened.

The British navy is renown for that practice

The French should end their love affair with Napoleon – he was an utterly brutal and callous dictator

Why would the French do this at all?
Sure, it is inconvenient for Britain in that one leader of a far smaller nation (as compared to the UK) brought you to your knees and in just a few short years, grew an empire that eclipsed what the UK took hundreds of years to develop.

That is achievement Blackie... That is what winners do
 

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There were 18,000 or so men and boys in Nelson's fleet at Trafalgar.

Of those 18,000, around 1,260 were foreign and the rest were British. Of the 1,260 or so foreigners, just 22 were Yanks.




Once again proves that the brits did not win, could not win at Trafalgar without the help of other countries including Americans.


Lovely!

And Waterloo... BL was taught the myth that the brits won Waterloo when they comprised of just a small force yet wrote just about all the books about it.


The Prussians defeated the Old Guard at Placenoit.
 

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Yes well there's your problem, history is not in history books you dumb limey. You should be slapped for your use of the word frog.


Certainly not in American ones.

Canada existed long before the Brits

So the nation state of Canada existed before the British Empire created it? I was always of the impression that the British North American Act created Canada in 1867.

As each year goes by, the UK shrinks more and more, while those same nations reach out to Canada and the US for stronger ties.
What nations would those be? Considering that the British monarch is the symbolic Head of the Commonwealth, an organisation made up mainly, though not exclusively, of former British colonies, I think it's fair to say that Britain has ties with more countries than any other country on Earth.

Th French are the group that developed democracy in it's contemporary form... You Brits are among many nations that use it as their model
Britain is the world's oldest surviving democracy.

And when it comes to democracy, the British have nothing to learn from the French or anybody else.

The Queen does not even count as a nicety anymore in terms of a figurehead. It makes no difference whatsoever what the monarchy thinks in terms of Canada and our manner of conducting gvt and our daily lives... Absolutely no one in Canada thinks about the Queen other than on the occasional visit.
The Queen - not Hollande, nor Obama and not anybody else - is Canada's Head of State, and there is a particular reason for that.

It's sad that someone like you maintains this imaginary belief that Britain is relevant to Canada in any way other than the small amount of trade that we do together.
Britain is a lot more relevant to Canada than Canada is to Britain.
Our military model is developed on our own system, but if one were to really analyze, we are closer to the USA than anyone else
Canada's military is based on the British system, one of the many gifts that the British Empire bequeathed its daugher nation of Canada. Just look at your regiments for a start.

Canada took it's own independence at our own leisure.. Britain had no say about it at all.
Canada only became fully independent in 1982 when the Canada Act was passed. This only passed due to the fact there was little opposition from the British, save from some British MPs who objected to Canada's past mistreatment of Quebec and Aboriginal groups. Had the British showed much more objection to the Canada Act the chances are that, to this day, the Canadians would still need the British parliament to make certain types of amendment to the Canadian Constitution,

'The Commonwealth' is almost as useless as the UN


The Commonwealth has never been stronger



This great institution promotes trade and freedom – no wonder there’s a queue to join, writes Hugo Swire




Today's Commonwealth contains at least seven of the fastest-growing countries, with ballooning new markets. Hitherto, the stars have been mostly in Asia but African states are coming up fast. Ghana, Tanzania, Mozambique are examples.




By Hugo Swire, Minister of State for the Commonwealth
02 Jan 2013
The Telegraph
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The modern Commonwealth came into being in 1949, when many countries were fighting to re-establish their identities in a new world order. In the wake of Second World War turmoil, Commonwealth nations declared themselves to be “united as free and equal members, freely cooperating in the pursuit of peace, liberty and progress”.

But what relevance does this group of countries have in 2013? In this fast-moving, globalised world, has the Commonwealth kept pace with change? I would like to answer these questions with a look back at 2012, the year I became Minister of State for the Commonwealth, and a look ahead to this year.

Nearly a third of the world, over two billion people, is made up of Commonwealth citizens. From India, one of the most populous countries, to Nauru, one of the smallest, the Commonwealth family spans every continent and hosts more than 200,000 listed companies. Collectively they have real clout.

The UK is connected to all of these nations through historical ties but also through our Queen, a strong advocate of the Commonwealth, who in 2012 marked her 60th year as its head. The Royal family unifies the institution, a fact that was most recently shown in the unanimous agreement of Commonwealth realms to amend the Act of Succession. Now the first child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will succeed to the throne regardless of gender. This is, I think, a symbol of a modernising institution that can move with the times.

I met the Queen when she visited the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in December. After a tour of the building she was presented with a book showing all of her Commonwealth visits – more than 150 now – and met staff who work on the modern-day Commonwealth agenda. This demonstrates our continued dedication to building and reinvigorating relationships here. We believe the Commonwealth’s soft power network adds value on the international stage and fulfils a niche role – politically, economically and culturally.

Since joining the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, I have had the pleasure of meeting a significant number of Commonwealth High Commissioners. I also attended, with the Foreign Secretary, the Commonwealth Foreign Ministers’ meeting in New York in September.

It was here that discussion on the modernisation agenda was concluded, and where we reached agreement on a new charter. This sets out in a single and accessible document the values to which Commonwealth countries agree to adhere. The charter is a valuable benchmark against which to measure our words and deeds; its importance, both symbolic and concrete, should not be underestimated.

Our work on the modernisation agenda has helped to focus the Commonwealth on the importance of democracy and respect for core values. These, together with the rule of law, create the conditions in which businesses can flourish, giving them the confidence to invest and trade.

Trade in the Commonwealth is booming, with member states collectively exporting more than £1.5 trillion of goods and services each year. Research conducted by the Royal Commonwealth Society found that when two trading partners were members, their trade was likely to be a third to a half more than when one or both trade partners was non-Commonwealth. There is clearly the potential to build on this in 2013 and beyond.

With Commonwealth Week in March providing the launch pad for the Commonwealth Charter, and then the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow approaching in 2014, there is much to look forward to.

But there will also be challenges. Ahead of the next meeting of Commonwealth heads of government in Colombo we will look to Sri Lanka, as we would with any host, to demonstrate its commitment to upholding Commonwealth values of good governance and respect for human rights. I also expect the Commonwealth to keep up its work in areas such as election observation, which it recently carried out in Ghana.

Given the collective weight of the Commonwealth, some, including the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Select Committee, think it is an organisation that should do better. They are right. We all want a strong Commonwealth that makes the most of its considerable assets.

In a world of many bilateral and multilateral regional agreements and associations, we shouldn’t pretend that it is the answer to everything. But it is an important institution that countries are queuing to join and that can, through dedication and reform, become stronger and speak with a louder voice than ever before.

Hugo Swire is Minister of State for the Commonwealth


The Commonwealth has never been stronger - Telegraph


To reiterate, Britain is in no way the 'Mother Country'... You will do well to understand this
You'll do well to understand that it most certainly is. Everybody around the world knows that Britain is Canada's Mother Country. You'll never hear a German or a Brazilian or a Chinaman say: "The Native Indians are Canada's Mother Country." They will all say, rightly: "Britain is Canada's Mother Country.

Why would the French do this at all?
Sure, it is inconvenient for Britain in that one leader of a far smaller nation (as compared to the UK) brought you to your knees and in just a few short years, grew an empire that eclipsed what the UK took hundreds of years to develop.
In 1810, during the Napoleonic Wars, France's population was over three times that of Britain's. France's population was 38 million, whereas Britain's was 12 million.

And no empire has ever eclipsed the British Empire. It remains the biggest, richest and most benevolent empire in history.


That is achievement Blackie... That is what winners do
And Britain - the most successful nation in history - won the Napoleonic Wars.
 

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So the nation state of Canada existed before the British Empire created it? I was always of the impression that the British North American Act created Canada in 1867.

You are hugely mistaken

What nations would those be? Considering that the British monarch is the symbolic Head of the Commonwealth, an organisation made up mainly, though not exclusively, of former British colonies, I think it's fair to say that Britain has ties with more countries than any other country on Earth.

Ireland, Scotland, Turks and Caicos to name a few

Britain is the world's oldest surviving democracy.

Greece, and then France.

And when it comes to democracy, the British have nothing to learn from the French or anybody else.

You use their system as the core. Without France, you would have no democracy.

You owe your entire society to France

is Canada's Head of State, and there is a particular reason for that.

We allow it if only to amuse ourselves.

The Queen has absolutely no relevance or power whatsoever

The Commonwealth has never been stronger
Of course the Telegraph bandies this nonsense about.


You'll do well to understand that it most certainly is. Everybody around the world knows that Britain is Canada's Mother Country. You'll never hear a German or a Brazilian or a Chinaman say: "The Native Indians are Canada's Mother Country." They will all say, rightly: "Britain is Canada's Mother Country.

No one in the world has a clue that the Queen has anything to do with Canada... It is a direct reflection of the abject lack of utility that her office holds here

In 1810, during the Napoleonic Wars, France's population was over three times that of Britain's. France's population was 38 million, whereas Britain's was 12 million.

They whipped your azz badly. The only reason that they didn't over run your tiny Island is because the only thing worse than the weather is the food

And no empire has ever eclipsed the British Empire. It remains the biggest, richest and most benevolent empire in history.

Romans, Chinese, Moors, Egyptians, Mongols, multiple Chinese Dynasties and most recently, The United States of America.
 

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Once again proves that the brits did not win, could not win at Trafalgar without the help of other countries including Americans.

Have you any proof of that?


And Waterloo... BL was taught the myth that the brits won Waterloo when they comprised of just a small force yet wrote just about all the books about it.
Wellington's forces outnumbered Blucher's forces.


The Prussians defeated the Old Guard at Placenoit.
No, they didn't. The Old Guard - whose cavalry were no match for the British infantry during the battle - defeated the Prussians at Placenoit.

You are hugely mistaken

So Canada existed before 1867 did it? Canada existed before the British settlers arrived?


Ireland, Scotland, Turks and Caicos to name a few
The last time I checked, Scotland and the northern part of Ireland are part of the United Kingdon.

Greece, and then France.
You use their system as the core. Without France, you would have no democracy.

You owe your entire society to France
France. Is that that country which didn't give women the vote until 1944?

Remember that France was an Absolute Monarchy until recently, whereas the English introduced Magna Carta, which checked the power of the monarchy and made the monarch have to get permission from the barons for many things, 800 years ago.

The English - and then the British - were enjoying Constitutional Monarchy for centuries whilst the rest of Europe were under the rule of Absolute Monarchy.

We allow it if only to amuse ourselves.

The Queen has absolutely no relevance or power whatsoever

Of course the Telegraph bandies this nonsense about.
The Queen has powers as part of her royal prerogative. And the reason why Canada retains the monarchy is because most Canadians prefer it to a republic.

No one in the world has a clue that the Queen has anything to do with Canada... It is a direct reflection of the abject lack of utility that her office holds here
I think most people know that the Queen is Canada's Head of State and that Britain is the Mother Nation.

They whipped your azz badly.
They lost.

Romans, Chinese, Moors, Egyptians, Mongols, multiple Chinese Dynasties and most recently, The United States of America.
The British Empire is the biggest empire in history. Never surpassed.
 

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Geezus, man, what about the high cost of the Peloponnesian War?


It'll not be long before some Yanks come on here saying that the Peloponnesian League only won that war thanks to American help.
 

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The Prussians and the troops of the Prince of Orange and Duke of Brunswick won at Waterloo. Brits were meagerly represented.

25,000 Brits
6,000 KGL
17,000 Netherlands
11,000 Hanover
6,000 Brunswick
3,000 Nassau

50,000 PRUSSIANS