Why The 9/11 Conspiracies Won't Go Away

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Last night, a UFO hovered above my yard and stole all my cows. Now prove that it didn't happen.

I took your cows for food. I did it because I heard the cows in Alberta really don't have mad cow disease, but rather, they have been injected with a disease that makes Americans want only Albertan oil. Yes! You can go ahead and laugh, but this virus has the ability to seek out human beings that carry the United States Passport. I know what you're going to say, I'm part of the Tin Foil Hat group. You poor soul, the reason the government of Alberta is doing this, is because they fear Americans will tap into their Shale Oil deposits, and when that happens, Alberta will lose all of its customer base down South.

And I have proof of this also, a group of American businessmen met with Klein just this past weekend, but the MSM NEVER reported it. Now why wouldn't they report it?

*How am I doing?*
 

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I've never understood why anyone would believe anything so bizarre, fantastical, and without any hard evidence whatsoever, instead based on unsubstantiated theory and conjecture, to believe such a strange story that Bush was responsible for 9/11

- Who said it was Bush? Who mentioned him specifically? I am afraid you are letting those that mind washed you frame your discussion, sorry. The simple fact - as in provable - is that the Bush Admin knew that Al Quida(sp?) was a risk, knew they were planning an attack. The attack happened. Draw your own conclusion, but please try not to be so naive as to think that people who knew about the plan and did nothing are in the clear. They did, at the very, VERY, least allow it to happen. Everything else after that is a matter of conjecture and theory, but that much is a matter of fact. They knew, now if I know something that is going to hurt you and I say/do nothing to either prevent it, or warn you am I not as much to blame for your hardship as the person who planned the attack? If so, you have one group of people to blame.

You can slice throats with box cutters.

- True, but that doesn't take away the basic human and naimal fight for survival and so far the offical plan excludes all of that. Maybe you would sit there and allow yourself to be killed, maybe the sight of someone having their throat sliced would be enough to make you peacfully accept your own demise? I doubt it, because you would be going against eons of nature - but apparently people do this quite often. Well, actually it is only 3 times, all in one day that it apparently happened...:rolleyes: But hey, they had box cutters!! LMAO!! Can you even mug someone with a box cutter now a days?

They didn't know they were going to die. They were told they werent' going to be hurt. Passengers are conditioned to not resist hijackers. That's what they told you during the 1970s. Then when they do fight back, the Foilers concot this big story about how a missile hit the Pentagon.

- Who didn't know they were going to die? What is it? Were they too scared from a slit throat to do anything and yet STILL not think they were going to also die? You are making intellectual jumps that can't exsist, and when you have to do that to keep a story intact there is only one reason.. Hint - the story is false. No one even mentioned a missle? WTF? Buddy if you can't keep on topic without making your own conversation here... The simple fact is that many, MANY, camera's saw the Pentagon strike. None, NONE, of them have been returned despite being private property and despite the story offically being closed. WHY? There is only one reason and you bloody well know it. I don't know if a missile hit it, nor if a plane hit it. But what would tell the tale is all that camera footage they have, and yet, despite being called liers and worse they have refused to release what would in any other situation be public knowledge. Why?


- Your right, it is wrong that so many people are unable to see the truth for fear of their own house of cards falling. But none the less, it is true, whether it is right or wrong is irrelevent. It happened, you were lied to.


That's why they took the lessons.

- Actually they were talking about their complete training. They couldn't fly afterward either. But just because they couldn't fly and had no grasp of the mechanic's of flying doesn't mean that they could not have done what they are claiming they did. Merely that it is unlikely. Surely you would agree that being unable to fly a double prop driven plane does mean that it is unlikely that they could fly a 4 jet engine jumbo jet. Right? Or is it that the flight instructors are also evil conspiracy theoriests?

Discussed and rebuked ad nauseum here.

- Ohh well, sorry to hurt your feelings and all but I somehow doubt it. No doubt everyone here had their two cents, and I could add mine and it still wouldn't matter. The simple fact is that those building shouldn't have fallen, and they wouldn't have without some help. Slowly the lies are coming to light..


Now its a "non-important" section. lol The foilers will twist any way they can.


Foiler logic;

Last night, a UFO hovered above my yard and stole all my cows. Now prove that it didn't happen.

- Please refrain from calling me a foiler or I will start to call you an inbred monkey man incapable of rational thought and throughly good for nothing save breeding and from what you wife says you aren't very good at that either! See, in****s get us no where and frankly, your ignorance doesn't make me feel any better about the situation.

It isn't a matter of not being able to prove something, it can be proven, at least the offical story can be unproven, which to some people that means quite a bit - for others apparently it isn't so important as long as they get to keep their borrowed happiness.
 

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First of all the hyjackers cut the throats of the Pilots and Dolly Trollys in front of passengers so yes I do believe people would freeze in fear. Second there were phone calls made to 911 many many such phone calls that described the events as they were unfolding. Blah blah blah blah. Would Muslim Extremist be able to use these tactics again? NO the passengers would fight to the death to kill these filthy vile dogs.

Footnote: Bin Laden did confess on tape, second Bin Laden confessed on tape, third Bin laden bragged about September 11 and his role on tape. The hyjackers made a tape laughing and partying prior to Mass Murdering innocents. Blah blah blah. Do I have questions yes, where does all the Tin foil go after the hat falls off.


_ I respectfully disagree. If I may share my opinion on it and you tell me where it fails. The US had oppertives in the whole thing. They found out about their plans and reported it back to the Clinton Admin. They were in the process of winding these fruitcakes into a place to actually get them and charge them(Under the rule of law). Time ran out on the Clinton pres. and so it fell to Bush. The problem is that the attack also would allow the PNAC to happen, so they allowed it. It is certainly not the first time government allowed people to die to gain what was preceived an advantage, so why not this time, especially seeing as the Pnac calls for another Perl Harbour to start their campaign - and right after 911 the PNAC campaign started, hasn't stoped and many of the reasons for doing this stuff has been shown to be either false, knowingly false, or out and out lies..

Seriously, why is this so hard for you to beleive? What am I missing from your side? Governments allow and cause innocent lives every day, isn't it the hieght of ignorance and ego to think they wouldn't do it to you, when they have done it to everyone else?

I don't want a heated debate, but I would like to see how your side ignores what I can see so clearly, and I would like to be able to see what you see so clearly and I must be ignoring... Fair enough?
 

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I don't know what tapes your refering to..I guess you never saw the one that Bin Laden put out long ago where he clearly says he never had anything to do with 911....and as far as the phoney cell phone calls go..in july 2001 cell phones were not as advanced as they are today..There is no cell phones that could make calls from cruising altitude...Haven't you noticed that any city in which has cell phones..they have cell phone towers at every block..the signal from a cell phone does not travel far..cell phones can not function without cell towers being close by...Now just lets say that cell phone calls can be made from an airplane..that could only work right over a city that has cell towers..there is no cell towers where those planes were ...they were out flying over rural country not over cities when these phoney calls were supposedly made...
 

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I don't know what tapes your refering to..I guess you never saw the one that Bin Laden put out long ago where he clearly says he never had anything to do with 911....and as far as the phoney cell phone calls go..in july 2001 cell phones were not as advanced as they are today..There is no cell phones that could make calls from cruising altitude...Haven't you noticed that any city in which has cell phones..they have cell phone towers at every block..the signal from a cell phone does not travel far..cell phones can not function without cell towers being close by...Now just lets say that cell phone calls can be made from an airplane..that could only work right over a city that has cell towers..there is no cell towers where those planes were ...they were out flying over rural country not over cities when these phoney calls were supposedly made...
Got a link to this video, the one I saw said we did it.
 

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"The hole smashed in the Pentagon's outer wall was 75 ft. wide, but a Boeing 757 has a 124-ft. wingspan'


Do you ever mislead people....Take another look at the movie or all the stills on the net of the Pentagon....You will see only a small hole flush with the ground..The hole is about 16 feet across..Now heres a genuine thought for you...Everyone is thinking that the plane somehow went into that hole..what a joke!...whens the last time you looked at a huge aircraft..did you not noticethat the fuselage is quite high off the ground? because of the engines hanging under the wings..So then the original hole at the Pentagon before the collapse should of been at least ten feet off the ground...and wheres the huge holes the engines would of made...now that idea that the wings folded back and somehow disapeared..geez.what a stupid coment that is...now picture this..you've got thesetwo huge very powerful engines going at full speed.running into the wall..were supposed to believe that all that energy from those huge engines, just all of a sudden disapeared and the wings folded back... Anyway there was no ..luggage, landing gear, wings, fuselage,seats, bodies or anything else because the was no airplane there..PERIOD...

Now with all your fancy writing..about conspiracy theories...We are then suppose to think that there really is no such thing as conspiracies.....Now all I will say about Conspiracy Theoriesis that the Conspiracies are real and people theorize on the facts of those conspiracies...there is no one on the net just making up Conspiracy Theories..except the agents...

This threadisa complete waste of time and is an insult to intelligent people who are trying to share the truth ..to wake up the sleeping masses...before its too late....I will say one thing..the USA is now the most dangerous country on earth with the passing of the Military commisions act where now Bush or anyone else in the military can do anything it wants to anyone at any time..without any safeguards being in place to protect the common people...The USA now openly admits that they will torture anyone they choose to...If that doesn't scare you............................................................shame on you...
 

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"The hole smashed in the Pentagon's outer wall was 75 ft. wide, but a Boeing 757 has a 124-ft. wingspan'


Do you ever mislead people....Take another look at the movie or all the stills on the net of the Pentagon....You will see only a small hole flush with the ground..The hole is about 16 feet across..Now heres a genuine thought for you...Everyone is thinking that the plane somehow went into that hole..what a joke!...whens the last time you looked at a huge aircraft..did you not noticethat the fuselage is quite high off the ground? because of the engines hanging under the wings..So then the original hole at the Pentagon before the collapse should of been at least ten feet off the ground...and wheres the huge holes the engines would of made...now that idea that the wings folded back and somehow disapeared..geez.what a stupid coment that is...now picture this..you've got thesetwo huge very powerful engines going at full speed.running into the wall..were supposed to believe that all that energy from those huge engines, just all of a sudden disapeared and the wings folded back... Anyway there was no ..luggage, landing gear, wings, fuselage,seats, bodies or anything else because the was no airplane there..PERIOD...

Now with all your fancy writing..about conspiracy theories...We are then suppose to think that there really is no such thing as conspiracies.....Now all I will say about Conspiracy Theoriesis that the Conspiracies are real and people theorize on the facts of those conspiracies...there is no one on the net just making up Conspiracy Theories..except the agents...

This threadisa complete waste of time and is an insult to intelligent people who are trying to share the truth ..to wake up the sleeping masses...before its too late....I will say one thing..the USA is now the most dangerous country on earth with the passing of the Military commisions act where now Bush or anyone else in the military can do anything it wants to anyone at any time..without any safeguards being in place to protect the common people...The USA now openly admits that they will torture anyone they choose to...If that doesn't scare you............................................................shame on you...
Talk about misleading. The picture you keep referring to was of the inner wall several rings in. But you keep the faith danny. Keep lying and misleading by deception to gain ground.

You still have not shown me where to find proof the buildings exeeded terminal velocity.
 

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You are so funny, I just could not stop laughing long enough to write this out..but I have some self control left and I am now back down to reality...I just sat here and could not believe that you have such a comprehension problem to think I am talking about the exit hole (where it clearly is painted on the wall'"Punch out here" Well now first if I was talking about this supposed exit hole. I would of clearly said "EXIT HOLE" where do you see that typed in my comment" WELL DUH! I never said that..I am talking about the entrance hole below the unbroken windows of the pictures and videos that were taken of the Pentagon before the fire caused the building to fall...And this supposed 'Exit Hole" is quite self explanatory..It clearly says that they "PUNCHED" the hole out and it was not created by some imaginery fathom..Airplane...Oh and ..I do not spend my time in deceptions and lies....as that only produces insanity....
 
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You could say that.

But you'd be wrong.

Just like the bizarre 9/11 conspiracy theories.

Wow, I'd be wrong. But you offer no reason why I'd be wrong? Seems par of the course for you. Now you wait over a month before responding, and that is the best you can come with?

Clearly, in this battle of ideas you are unarmed.

There is nothing conspiratorial from what I said - the conspiracy is that 80+ people suddenly didn't react in a way that people have acted since the dawn of man - on three different planes, all on the same day, causing 3 buildings steel structure buildings - that have never collapsed by only hitting two of them, dispite each building being built to withstand the crash - while simultaniously flying another plane to hit the pentagon - which is captured by nearly a dozen camera's - all confiscated, never returned and never allowed to be seen even by the 911 commission.

And you call my thoery a conspiracy?

BTW - you are aware that the people that sold you this bill of goods that you seemingly buy without question have been caught in lie after lie, after lie - about the very thing that this event started.... aren't you?

Sassylassie:

Is it the tape of Bin Laden confessing that sways your opinion on this? Don't you remember that the first tape he said he had nothing to do with it. He said he was happy that it happened, and that Allah would bless those that did it, but he said he never had a hand in it. In tapes after that he apparently confessed(why the change? Sudden feeling of guilt?) but if I am not mistaken one or more of those tapes were shown to be fakes... If I can get proof, such as it exists online, of these claims would you then at least consider the option of you being lied to, to further the goals of the US admin? Or is evidense a moot point now?

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Leave me alone I'm sick and my neighbour used my tin foil turkey roaster to cook a damn turkey. Now excuse me why I have my 120th NeoCitren of the day. NO IT"S NOT ADDICTIVE, it's lies and more lies I tell you.

What's the subject?
 

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Clearly, in this battle of ideas you are unarmed.
No, it is not a "battle of ideas". It's a set of outrageous, bizarre, unsubstantiated theories based on conjecture and pseudo-science, mainly by people with a political axe to grind.

80+ people suddenly didn't react in a way that people have acted since the dawn of man
You mean like all the airline hijackings in the 1970s when people were told not to resist and they wouldn't get hurt, and the authorities telling people not to resist hijackers during that time so they wouldn't get hurt, and the hijackers on 9/11 who almost certainly told the passengers not to resist or they'd be hurt. Yeah, that's right, they "suddenly didn't react the way people have acted since the dawn of time". Or maybe they did.

And THEN the conspiracists try to tell us, that in the one case where they did actually resist, and the plane crashed in PA, well, not THAT wasn't resisting, the airplane was shot down by a missile! lol lol The conspiracists want it both ways.

on three different planes, all on the same day,
All on the same day nonetheless! No! I was expecting them to space it out over a few months. Surely, the plan would have worked better that way, no? Surely, after one plane had flown into one of the Towers, within a few weeks, everyone would have forgotten about everything, and then BAM!, fly the plane into the other Tower. Then, wait a few months - because surely, it will take at least a few months for society to wipe away the memories of two planes flying into the Towers from our collective conscience, then POW!, fly the last plane into the Pentagon. I'm sure air defenses would have been down! It's only logical, right!

causing 3 buildings steel structure buildings - that have never collapsed
Gosh, they've never collapsed, huh? Before when? I must have missed the first time they flew planes in the WTC and the towers didn't fall.

by only hitting two of them"
Captain Chris Boyle
Engine 94 - 18 years

Boyle: ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.

Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?

Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.

Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?

Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html

dispite each building being built to withstand the crash
Good Lord! They were built to withstand the crash, yet somehow, they still fell! Amazing! I never knew engineers received knowledge directly from God so that they would never be wrong.

I've posted this here before, but I'll do it again because it bears repeating

Here's a bridge that collapsed that wasn't designed to.

http://www.enm.bris.ac.uk/anm/tacoma/tacoma.html

There is even an mpeg you can download and view.

But how can that be, when the bridge was designed to not collapse? How? Bush must have been behind it, that's how. Or the Jews!

while simultaniously flying another plane to hit the pentagon - which is captured by nearly a dozen camera's - all confiscated, never returned and never allowed to be seen even by the 911 commission.

I wonder how CNN got video on its website then?

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/03/07/gen.pentagon.pictures/index.html

Photos from when the terrorists crashed the planes into the Pentagon.

Plane wreckage



Fuselage



Fuselage at bottom, near the firetruck, with the letter "C"



Wheel rim



Mechanical debris



Compressor rotor



I've got more, but you get the idea.

The Pentagon was hit by a plane.

BTW - you are aware that the people that sold you this bill of goods that you seemingly buy without question have been caught in lie after lie, after lie - about the very thing that this event started.... aren't you?
The conspiracists first come to a preconceived notion and then work backwards. George Bush said the other day that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. I bet him you don't believe him.

And you call my thoery a conspiracy?
No, I did not call your theory a conspiracy. I called you a "conspiracist" because you believe in bizarre conspiracy theories. You didn't like "foiler" after all.

Wow, I'd be wrong. But you offer no reason why I'd be wrong? Seems par of the course for you. Now you wait over a month before responding, and that is the best you can come with?

You're happy now, no doubt.

I'll let Rex Murphy finish it.

The assassination of John F. Kennedy spawned a literature of suspicion and conjecture of intimidating bulk and mass. The “grassy knoll” and the ”second gunman” have inspired more plots than the membership of the International Association of Crime Writers. It’s a law of this kind of thinking: the further from the event under scrutiny, the greater the unhinged speculation surrounding it.

Expect - except for Sept. 11, 2001. I would have thought the horrors of that day, the magnitude of the attacks, the immense coverage of the actual crashes into the towers, the even more immense coverage in the days after the attacks in New York and Washington, and the downing of the jet over Pennsylvania, had evacuated that day of all mystery and speculation. We know that day too well.

We had swiftly learned the identities of all 19 hijackers. We had seen, in (alas) real time, the buildings collapse, we had seen the heroic efforts of the firefighters and police in New York, we have since read and heard of the numerous cellphone conversations before the brave passengers of Flight 93 tried to wrest control of the doomed jet from the hijackers. We have seen the video of Osama as he narrates his success and takes pride in his dear accomplishments.

What else is there, the reasonable mind pleads to ask? But no. The questioning of 9/11 is a full-blown industry on the Internet. The buildings didn’t collapse because two fuel-loaded jets crashed into them; Flight 93 was brought down with a missile - the fantasies spin on. Books have been written telling the “real truth” of the day.

One truly bizarre, or comic, on-line posting conducts an experiment (with pictures) using rabbit wire, a concrete cinder block, and a container of kerosene to “prove” the steel pillars of the trade towers would not have melted in in the fires that followed the crash. Engineers who have visited this site have left jibbering and in tears.

Bush was behind 9/11. The Israelis were behind 9/11. Bush and the Israelis were behind 9/11. Osama didn’t do it. Thousands of people engineered a controlled demolition of the towers; the hijacked jets crashing into them were no more than elaborate version of the street magician’s “bait and switch.”

I cannot comprehend what tilt of mind refuses the tidal wave of tragic facts about that horrible day in favour of near-lunatic and unmoored speculation. The answer has to be the hatred of the US President George Bush has, amongst the most who despise him, reached incandescent proportions, and has merged with that strain of free-wheeling paranoia that is an undercurrent of much of our modern times. Hating Mr. Bush ferociously, and believing the truth is always “Out There” (never in front of your face), has produced a monstrous fable of conspiracy, cover-up, sinister motivations and an all-controlling apparatus that has abused the world and engaged in two wars (Iraq and Afghanistan), all for some agenda that, in the minds of many conspirators works for the benefit of (who else?) Israel and the Jews.

The 9/11 conspiracy theories - whether those who peddle them are aware of it or not - trail in the spurious and repulsive wake of that arch-conspiracy, the demented Protocols of the Elder Zion. One would have thought the last century had got us past that fantasy-hoax.
 

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Since I'm already on here

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"The hole smashed in the Pentagon's outer wall was 75 ft. wide, but a Boeing 757 has a 124-ft. wingspan'


Do you ever mislead people....Take another look at the movie or all the stills on the net of the Pentagon....You will see only a small hole flush with the ground..The hole is about 16 feet across..Now heres a genuine thought for you...Everyone is thinking that the plane somehow went into that hole..what a joke!...whens the last time you looked at a huge aircraft..did you not noticethat the fuselage is quite high off the ground? because of the engines hanging under the wings..So then the original hole at the Pentagon before the collapse should of been at least ten feet off the ground...and wheres the huge holes the engines would of made...now that idea that the wings folded back and somehow disapeared..geez.what a stupid coment that is...now picture this..you've got thesetwo huge very powerful engines going at full speed.running into the wall..were supposed to believe that all that energy from those huge engines, just all of a sudden disapeared and the wings folded back... Anyway there was no ..luggage, landing gear, wings, fuselage,seats, bodies or anything else because the was no airplane there..PERIOD...

Eyewitness accounts of the plane crashing into the Pentagon.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77w.htm

Black boxes found at the Pentagon.

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/14_APboxes.html

Personal effects found at the crash

“Suzanne Calley died aboard American Airlines Flight 77 when terrorists hijacked the plane and sent it crashing into the Pentagon... Rescue crews were able to pull Calley’s body from Flight 77’s wreckage.

Jensen [Calley’s husband] spent last year’s anniversary of the national tragedy in Washington, D.C. There, a Pentagon official - assigned to Calley’s family as a liaison - gave Jensen his wife’s wedding ring, which had been recovered from the plane.”
http://gilroydispatch.com/news/contentview.asp?c=73724

The wings

[FONT=Bookman Old Style,Arial][SIZE=-1]Can you explain what happened to the wings of the aircraft and why they caused no damage?
[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Bookman Old Style,Arial]As the front of the Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, the outer portions of the wings likely snapped during the initial impact, then were pushed inward towards the fuselage and carried into the building's interior; the inner portions of the wings probably penetrated the Pentagon walls with the rest of the plane. Any sizable portions of the wings were destroyed in the explosion or the subsequent fire. Nonetheless, damage to the building caused by the plane's wings is plainly visible in photographs, such as the one below (note the blackened sections on both sides of the impact site):[/FONT]
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http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

Now with all your fancy writing..about conspiracy theories...We are then suppose to think that there really is no such thing as conspiracies.....Now all I will say about Conspiracy Theoriesis that the Conspiracies are real and people theorize on the facts of those conspiracies...there is no one on the net just making up Conspiracy Theories..except the agents...
Weren't you the guy saying we should reference that fraud, the Protocols of the Elder Zion?

This threadisa complete waste of time and is an insult to intelligent people who are trying to share the truth ..to wake up the sleeping masses...before its too late....I will say one thing..the USA is now the most dangerous country on earth with the passing of the Military commisions act where now Bush or anyone else in the military can do anything it wants to anyone at any time..without any safeguards being in place to protect the common people...The USA now openly admits that they will torture anyone they choose to...If that doesn't scare you............................................................shame on you...
An example of someone with a political axe to grind.
 

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I have seen many fires in my time. I have steel structures after being involved in fires in mines and on hiways, where trucks and cars have been vapourized by fires.

So I set out to find pictures of the after math of these fires to prove that steel can be liquified by a fire in many instances. But then I thought like a tin foiler and came up with all the crap they would to debunk a modern fire and modern equipment, so then I turned my sites to period fire and in specifics, fires involving steel of simular characteristics to those found in the WTC. and how they reacted to severe heat. This is what I found. Look closely at the distortion in the tracks, these tracks were not under any stress as the steel structure of the WTC. But yet they buckled and warped drasticly, all without the addition of several thousand gallons of Aviation fuel. This leaves little doubt in my mind as to what caused the WTC to colapse. I do not beleive it melted in the Towers as they stood, I beleived it merely weakend the integrity enough to bring the Towers down. I believe the melting took place in the pit, amonst a meriad of a stew, consisting of all manner of chemicals.

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