why steven harper will make a good prime minister

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Reverend Blair

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Apr 3, 2004
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RE: why steven harper wil

I'd like to ask Harper a few questions.

Would he have gone into Iraq if he was in power?

Would he have signed on to BMD without question?

Why did the Conservatives protect Cargill from contempt of parliament fines?

Why did he initially support Maher Arar's deportation?

Why did he show up in Saskatoon and refuse to talk about agriculture during the last election?

Why did he refuse to show up at a town hall with the other leaders during the last election?

Why did he flip-flop on proportional representation/direct democracy hearings?

Where does he stand on Kyoto now? He flip-flopped so many times in the last week that I've lost track.

Would he oppose deep integration with the US?

Would he introduce legislation limiting campaign donations to eligible voters?

Would he seek a closer relationship with Venezuela and other South American countries?

Why did he say that the Liberal government is under criminal investigation the other night when that is patently untrue?
 

smitty295

Nominee Member
Apr 23, 2005
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be patient my freind after the gomery Inquiry ends and if paul martin or his party is found guilty most people will be siding with the conservitives you watch. or you may be right and if they are found innocent this could blow up in stevies face.
 

PoisonPete2

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Apr 9, 2005
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just look at the failing right-wing agenda in the U.S. and the increasing underpriveleged class. 43 million Americans without proper medical access. Why would you wish to visit that misory on Canada? Remember the corruption of Mulrony's bunch. The same power brokers are behind Harper. You would vote for the privatization of Medical services after Romino's definitive report? You would put Canada into a new arms race? And you wish to continue criminalizing destitute women and explorative teens. Shame shame.
 

smitty295

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Apr 23, 2005
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arms race? canada barely has enough military to defend it's own country even if steven harper came in to power he would only strenghthen are military to make are slike the americans which by the way is the one thing i agree with the americans with. He will not create an arms race and canada was never in one and will never be in one.
 

Vanni Fucci

Senate Member
Dec 26, 2004
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smitty295 said:
be patient my freind after the gomery Inquiry ends and if paul martin or his party is found guilty most people will be siding with the conservitives you watch. or you may be right and if they are found innocent this could blow up in stevies face.

You don't pay attention very well do you?

Stevie is not going to wait for the Inquiry to finish...

Don't you watch or read the news?
 

MMMike

Council Member
Mar 21, 2005
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Re: RE: why steven harper will make a good prime minister

PoisonPete2 said:
just look at the failing right-wing agenda in the U.S. and the increasing underpriveleged class. 43 million Americans without proper medical access. Why would you wish to visit that misory on Canada? Remember the corruption of Mulrony's bunch. The same power brokers are behind Harper. You would vote for the privatization of Medical services after Romino's definitive report? You would put Canada into a new arms race? And you wish to continue criminalizing destitute women and explorative teens. Shame shame.

You can't compare two complex health care systems based on only one measurement. Yes, they have people without proper health coverage. But so do we here. People without family doctors. Rationed care leading to months and months of waiting with poorer health outcomes. But virtually all Conservatives would agree that the American system is not one we want to emulate. But last time I checked there are other countries in the world besides the U.S.. Take a look at some of them and you'll find they have better health care systems than ours. Take off your blinders! There is a big difference between private funding and private delivery of services. We can still have a universal, publicly funded healthcare system with private companies delivering the services. Hell, we already do! Doctors are private contractors. Most laboratories for blood work are private. Quebec has a very large private health care component. This developed on the Liberals watch - but you will never hear them talk about that.

Only a moron could think that the current system is sustainable. Healthcare eating up more than 50% of spending by government on the federal and provincial levels, and growing at 3 or 4 times GDP growth. With the aging boomers, pretty soon it will eat up all of our spending, with nothing left for those minor things like infrastructure or education. Oops!
 

Reverend Blair

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Apr 3, 2004
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RE: why steven harper wil

You ever read the Romanow Report, MMMike? You should.

I'm sorry you were put through such a nightmare, peppy...nobody should have to face a monster like that in person.
 

DasFX

Electoral Member
Dec 6, 2004
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Re: RE: why steven harper wil

no1important said:
Harper is grasping at straws. He is realizing even with Gomery, voters are not jumping on the tory bandwagon like he thought they would.

I would hope Canadians wouldn't jump to another party over this scandal. I don't think it is fair to paint all Liberals with the same brush. Power corrupts people, no matter what party people are affiliated with. This happens in all aspects of life, it is sad but true.

Did Paul Martin know about the scandal? Probably, but what really could he have done? The scandal was very large and involved lots of people, including the Prime Minister of the time. Perhaps he did try to do something, and that's why he got booted out of cabinet.

Being a whistle blower is not the easiest thing to do. That is why it is such a big deal when someone does it. Deep down, I don't think Mr. Martin is a corrupt man, and he is doing his best to fix the wrongs that have been committed.

Canadians are angry, but I don't think they've changed their view to embrace Conservative policies and values. Most realize that this scandal could have occurred under a Conservative government just as easily as it did under the Liberal government.
 

snoproblem

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Mar 18, 2005
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Re: RE: why steven harper wil

DasFX said:
Canadians are angry, but I don't think they've changed their view to embrace Conservative policies and values. Most realize that this scandal could have occurred under a Conservative government just as easily as it did under the Liberal government.

Just as easily? Under Mulroney, it was practically SOP, or so you'd think. :?

I love how politicians just assume people have no long-term memory.
 

MMMike

Council Member
Mar 21, 2005
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Re: RE: why steven harper wil

DasFX said:
I would hope Canadians wouldn't jump to another party over this scandal. I don't think it is fair to paint all Liberals with the same brush. Power corrupts people, no matter what party people are affiliated with. This happens in all aspects of life, it is sad but true.

Did Paul Martin know about the scandal? Probably, but what really could he have done? The scandal was very large and involved lots of people, including the Prime Minister of the time. Perhaps he did try to do something, and that's why he got booted out of cabinet.

Yes, any party is subject to corruption is left in power for too long. They also lose sight of their 'vision', instead focusing solely on maintaining power. This is what has happened with the Liberals. It's time for them to sit in the opposition seats for awhile - they'll come back as a better party.

Paul Martin is no stranger to scandal. Ask his buddies at Earnsecliffe what he's done for them lately. He's handed over contracts worth tens of thousands of dollars.
 

smitty295

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Apr 23, 2005
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yes i watch the news and steven harper has specificly siad he will not call an election unless he has the support from the majority of Canadians.

BMD will not turn in to an arms race all BMD is, is having missile silos on Canadian soil which will shoot down any incoming missiles from rogue states, it is nothing more than defense not and arms race.
 

Vanni Fucci

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smitty295 said:
yes i watch the news and steven harper has specificly siad he will not call an election unless he has the support from the majority of Canadians.

BMD will not turn in to an arms race all BMD is, is having missile silos on Canadian soil which will shoot down any incoming missiles from rogue states, it is nothing more than defense not and arms race.

...and what about those country's that don't want their missiles getting shot down, what do you think they're going to do? Do you see now where this is headed?

As it is, it doesn't work, because any country can defeat BMD by launching decoys, or multiple missiles on the same target...Russian and China claim they have developed a missile specifically designed to defeat missile defense...nope doesn't sound like an arms race to me at all... 8O
 

I think not

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Apr 12, 2005
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I would personally be all for the BMD (although I am to a certain degree even as it is), providing the US gives up its nuclear missles, then I would be more convinced its for defensive purposes.
 

SirKevin

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Feb 8, 2005
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smitty295 said:
steven harper

It always helps to be able to correctly spell your desired Prime Minister's name.

smitty295 said:
is an honest guy in my opinion and should and probably will be the next PM in the next election hopefully coming soon.

Honest guy? Blah...he is honest...and he sucks.

smitty295 said:
Steven Harper as PM promises to put more spending on NAtional Defense which in my opinion is good money are defense must be strengthened because of new threats now when i mean greta military spending i want a great candain military not for war like the Americans but for defending peace are selves and allies.

Martin already spent a lot more money than usual on the military this year and that is reflective of the country's political climate right now and what people want.

smitty295 said:
he also wants to join missile defense which is great becaus it upgrades are old air defense of norad to BMD.

Actually, he has said that he won't sign on to any document he has't seen yet -- he is undecided on the topic of BMD.

smitty295 said:
As well he promises the ending of this libral nonsense of gay marrage legalised pot and prostituition.

Oh, for the love of the bleeding Virgin Mary...this is where you start getting retarded.

Same-sex marriage is common effing sense. Of course it should be legal.

The Liberals may or may not legalize prostitution; some of the most civilized countries in the world have it legal. Either way, sex workers are people who need our help and compassion and right now the left is the only part of the political spectrum extending that compassion.

As for pot, the government only supports decriminilazing it, which is again another common sense move.

smitty295 said:
why would anybodu want prositution legalised because all you will see whever you walk down the street is half naked woman/men and what parant that has there child in a car wants there child to see stuff like that?

If prostitution were legal it would only be in select buildings; public nudity will not be affected, it will remain illegal.
 

Wetcoast40

Electoral Member
Feb 21, 2005
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Re: RE: why steven harper will make a good prime minister

Only a moron could think that the current system is sustainable. Healthcare eating up more than 50% of spending by government on the federal and provincial levels, and growing at 3 or 4 times GDP growth. With the aging boomers, pretty soon it will eat up all of our spending, with nothing left for those minor things like infrastructure or education. Oops![

The idea that the NDP could detach themselves from Public Only Healthcare is not on! In addition, Paul Martin has also hitched his Healthcare Wagon to a purely public system even though he uses a private care provider himself (hypocrite you say?). I suspect that despite the boogey man image these two would like to paint the Conservative Party, a blended private-public system is the likely policy outcome for all of us. The key word is sustainable. The current system is not sustainable without continuing to eat up more and more of both federal and provincial budgets. [/quote]
 

Wetcoast40

Electoral Member
Feb 21, 2005
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Re: RE: why steven harper wil

Canadians are angry, but I don't think they've changed their view to embrace Conservative policies and values. Most realize that this scandal could have occurred under a Conservative government just as easily as it did under the Liberal government.

The problem some of us have with the Conservatives is that they suffer from Bi-Polar Disorder. I can't tell which version will show up on any given day: The slightly right of centre traditional Conservative Blues or the Reform Rednecks. The NDP continues to be irrelevant and the Bloc is the Bloc. I can't see myself voting "for" a Liberal candidate, but then who can I vote for and not toss my cookies. Where's the Rhinoceros Party when you really need them?
 

Numure

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Apr 30, 2004
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MMMike said:
I'm not talking about holding hands and having a sing-along a la Reagan & Mulroney. Our economy is almost 100% dependant on trade with the U.S.. The mood down there is getting more and more protectionist, and security concerns are mounting over the border, both here and with Mexico.

If the border closes, or even tightens up, it will have a devastating impact on our economy. We need a two-pronged approach - aggressively diversifying our trade with other countries, and moving to a common security perimeter with the U.S. We need to open the border, not close it.

Well, I honestly doubt a total closer of trade with the US will hurt us that much in the long run. China will come running for our Natural gas and oil. Europe will want most of our ressources, as well. The impact of the soft wood lumber crisis was quite limited. The same with the mad cow issue.

We depend on the US for trade because its the easy way. We are ressourceful. And we will manege probably just as well, or better selling to evolving super powers (China and Europe).