Why must we listen to the UN?

westmanguy

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Nope tamarin, the Middle East, like Israel, wants the west destroyed. Finis!

The UN is a joke, nation like France and Holland have their death grip on it.

The United States, Canada, and The UK, Austrailia, and New Zealand, should vust vacate the UN and star their own western alliance.
 

Curiosity

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http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/editorialsletters/story.html?id=6ea84cba-0018-4034-9447-2ef330f5735b&p=2


The UN's human rights charade
National PostSaturday, March 31, 2007

Once again, the newly minted United Nations Human Rights Council has proven itself to be just as cynical and useless as the UN Commission on Human Rights it replaced last year.
On Friday, the Council wrapped up its forth session since its inception. Despite evidence from its own investigators that the genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan is being perpetrated by that country's dictatorial Islamist government, the Council was unable even to call the mass killings a genocide, much less pin blame on Khartoum. Muslim and African representatives would permit only an expression of "deep concern" for the murder of hundreds of thousands, the displacement of two million or more, and the systematic rape of women and girls.
The point of reconstituting the old commission as the new council a year ago was to prevent such shams. But the new body has been as wilfully blind as the one it superseded. The world would probably be better off if it were disbanded.
This unwillingness to "name names" is part of a new trend at the UN. Last fall, one of the General Assembly's six standing policy committees recommended an end to "name-and-shame" human-rights reports that single out particular countries for criticism. Human-rights experts within the organization recommended, instead, working quietly with abuser nations to convince them to end the murder, torture, maiming and political imprisonment of dissident citizens. Some good that would do.
Too many UN member states already scoff at the body's rebukes. The UN has no standing army with which to protect human rights, and economic sanctions almost never work because some country or other will ignore them.
Such is the case with Sudan and its actions in Darfur.
China--itself one of the worst rights abusers in the world--has long protected Sudan from censure at the UN, and has continued to prop up the Khartoum regime with trade and aid.
Still, on a symbolic level, it is a shame the UN Human Rights Commission was not more forthright in its condemnations of Sudan. Two weeks ago, its own fact-finding mission ruled that Sudan's government "has manifestly failed to protect the population of Darfur from large-scale international crimes, and has itself orchestrated and participated in those crimes." Friday, the commission voted merely to "take note" of the report.
Many argue that there is nothing short of all-out military invasion that the West could do to stop the Darfur genocide. But since it is unlikely that any Western nation -- including Canada -- will devote a sizeable force to such an enterprise, other options should be explored.
The National Post is currently running a series of essays commissioned by STAND Canada (Students Taking Action Now: Darfur) outlining some of these options. In one instalment appearing in Thursdays's edition, for instance, former Liberal cabinet ministers Lloyd Axworthy and Allan Rock argued for increased name-and-shame diplomacy, the freezing of Khartoum's ruling generals' Western assets, as well as a protective force of at least 20,000 troops assembled in concert with the African Union. These are all ideas worth trying. And since the UN clearly isn't going to take the initiative in Sudan, the community of civilized nations should.
While we are on the subject, it is worth nothing that the UN's new prohibition on name-and-shame comes with certain notable exceptions. In the same month the commission refused to hear tales of mass rape in Sudan and Burma, the UN was accepting motions from Iran, China, Russia, Cuba and other abusers condemning the United States and Canada for their human rights records. Canada was also singled out for its official use of the term "visible minorities," which the UN declared an expression of racism.
Then there is Israel, which has been a subject of obsession at the United Nations since the Jewish State came into being six decades ago.
As Hillel Neuer, executive director of the NGO United Nations Watch, told the 4th plenary session of the UN Human Rights Council on March 23, the Council has ignored crises all over the world -- from Darfur to Zimbabwe to Central Asia to Arabon-Arab killings in Gaza -- all the while passing resolution after resolution against the Middle East's only true democracy.
It was a trenchant critique that went right to the core of the Council's failings. So how did the Council's President, Mexico's Luis Alfonso De Alba, respond? By shooting the messenger, of course.
"For the first time in this session I will not express thanks for that statement," he huffed. "I will not tolerate any similar statements in the Council. The way in which members of this Council were referred to, and indeed the way in which the Council itself was referred to, all of this is inadmissible ? I would urge you in any future statements to observe some minimum proper conduct and language. Otherwise, any statement you make in similar tones to those used today will be taken out of the records."
His defensive outburst is a fitting symbol of what the Human Rights Council has become. Killing thousands in Darfur -- that's not so bad. But having the guts to tell the Council what a joke it's become -- well, that's truly unforgivable.
 

earth_as_one

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UNSC resolutions authorizing force do have teeth. UN Peacekeeping missions have prevented wars. Cyprus for example. Sometimes the UN serves as a platform for member nations to expose themselves:

Vote on the Iraq Resolution (1441)


John D. Negroponte, U.S. Permanent Representative to the United Nations
Explanation of Vote Following the Vote on the Iraq Resolution, UN Security Council
New York, New York
November 8, 2002

Released by the U.S. Mission to the United Nations

...The Resolution confirms what has been clear for years: that Iraq has been and remains in violation of disarmament obligations – "material breach" in lawyers’ language. The Council then decides to afford Iraq a final opportunity to comply. As a means to that end, the Resolution then establishes an enhanced, strengthened inspection regime. The Resolution gives UNMOVIC and the IAEA a new, powerful mandate. Its core is immediate and unimpeded access to every site, including Presidential or other Sensitive Sites, structure, or vehicle they choose to inspect and equally immediate and unimpeded access to people they wish to interview. In other words: "anyone, anywhere, any time." And, the Resolution gives UNMOVIC and the IAEA the power to do their work properly and to ensure the verifiable destruction of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and associated infrastructure and support programs.
Let us be clear: the inspections will not work unless the Iraqi regime cooperates fully with UNMOVIC and the IAEA. We hope all member states now will press Iraq to undertake that cooperation. This resolution is designed to test Iraq’s intentions: will it abandon its weapons of mass destruction and its illicit missile programs or continue its delays and defiance of the entire world? Every act of Iraqi non-compliance will be a serious matter, because it would tell us that Iraq has no intention of disarming.
As we have said on numerous occasions to Council members, this Resolution contains no "hidden triggers" and no "automaticity" with respect to the use of force. If there is a further Iraqi breach, reported to the Council by UNMOVIC, the IAEA, or a member state, the matter will return to the Council for discussions as required in paragraph 12. The Resolution makes clear that any Iraqi failure to comply is unacceptable and that Iraq must be disarmed. And one way or another, Mr. President, Iraq will be disarmed. If the Security Council fails to act decisively in the event of a further Iraqi violation, this resolution does not constrain any member state from acting to defend itself against the threat posed by Iraq...

http://www.state.gov/p/io/rls/rm/2002/15018.htm

SECURITY COUNCIL 7 MARCH 2003​


Oral introduction of the 12th quarterly report of UNMOVIC​

Executive Chairman Dr. Hans Blix​







...How much time would it take to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks? While cooperation can and is to be immediate, disarmament and at any rate the verification of it cannot be instant. Even with a proactive Iraqi attitude, induced by continued outside pressure, it would still take some time to verify sites and items, analyse documents, interview relevant persons, and draw conclusions. It would not take years, nor weeks, but months. Neither governments nor inspectors would want disarmament inspection to go on forever. However, it must be remembered that in accordance with the governing resolutions, a sustained inspection and monitoring system is to remain in place after verified disarmament to give confidence and to strike an alarm, if signs were seen of the revival of any proscribed weapons programmes.

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/SC7asdelivered.htm

But the UN cannot stop leaders of superpowers from committing war crimes:

March 17, 2003
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]President Says Saddam Hussein Must Leave Iraq Within 48 Hours [/FONT]

...Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised. This regime has already used weapons of mass destruction against Iraq's neighbors and against Iraq's people.

The regime has a history of reckless aggression in the Middle East. It has a deep hatred of America and our friends. And it has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda.
The danger is clear: using chemical, biological or, one day, nuclear weapons, obtained with the help of Iraq, the terrorists could fulfill their stated ambitions and kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent people in our country, or any other. The United States and other nations did nothing to deserve or invite this threat...

...In a free Iraq, there will be no more wars of aggression against your neighbors, no more poison factories, no more executions of dissidents, no more torture chambers and rape rooms...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030317-7.html

Or stop the atrocities the US commits in Iraq:

...CAIRO, July 21 (IslamOnline.net) – The rape ordeal she suffered at the hands of US soldiers, both males and females, in the notorious Abu Gharib prison will continue to haunt Nadia for the rest of her life...

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-07/21/article06.shtml

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http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking2/PLN9-04.html


Even when the UN knows the US commits war crimes it is powerless to stop them, and can barely bring itself to criticise the US

...the Secretary-General had reiterated his well-known position that the military action against Iraq was not in conformity with the UN Charter.

In the interview, Mr. Annan was repeatedly asked whether the war was "illegal." "Yes," he finally said, "I have indicated it is not in conformity with the UN Charter, from our point of view, and from the Charter point of view it was illegal."...

http://www.un.org/apps/news/storyAr.asp?NewsID=11953&Cr=iraq&Cr1=

Violating international laws should be grounds for some sort of punitive action.

So should 60 years of ethnic cleansing:

  1. Resolution 106: "...‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid"
  2. Resolution 111: "...‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
  3. Resolution 127: "...‘recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem"
  4. Resolution 162: "...‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions"
  5. Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria"
  6. Resolution 228: "...‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
  7. Resolution 237: "...‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
  8. Resolution 248: "...‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
  9. Resolution 250: "...‘calls’ on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
  10. Resolution 251: "...‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
  11. Resolution 252: "...‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
  12. Resolution 256: "...‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation"
  13. Resolution 259: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
  14. Resolution 262: "...‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
  15. Resolution 265: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
  16. Resolution 267: "...‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
  17. Resolution 270: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
  18. Resolution 271: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
  19. Resolution 279: "...‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
  20. Resolution 280: "....‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon"
  21. Resolution 285: "...‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
  22. Resolution 298: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem"
  23. Resolution 313: "...‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
  24. Resolution 316: "...‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
  25. Resolution 317: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
  26. Resolution 332: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon"
  27. Resolution 337: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty"
  28. Resolution 347: "...‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
  29. Resolution 425: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
  30. Resolution 427: "...‘calls’ on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
  31. Resolution 444: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
  32. Resolution 446: "...‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ‘serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
  33. Resolution 450: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
  34. Resolution 452: "...‘calls’ on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
  35. Resolution 465: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program"
  36. Resolution 467: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon"
  37. Resolution 468: "...‘calls’ on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
  38. Resolution 469: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians"
  39. Resolution 471: "...‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
  40. Resolution 476: "...‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claims to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’
  41. Resolution 478: "...‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’
  42. Resolution 484: "...‘declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
  43. Resolution 487: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility"
  44. Resolution 497: "...‘decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
  45. Resolution 498: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
  46. Resolution 501: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
  47. Resolution 509: "...‘demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
  48. Resolution 515: "...‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
  49. Resolution 517: "...‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
  50. Resolution 518: "...‘demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
  51. Resolution 520: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut"
  52. Resolution 573: "...‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
  53. Resolution 587: "...‘takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
  54. Resolution 592: "...‘strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
  55. Resolution 605: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
  56. Resolution 607: "...‘calls’ on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
  57. Resolution 608: "...‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
  58. Resolution 636: "...‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
  59. Resolution 641: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
  60. Resolution 672: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
  61. Resolution 673: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
  62. Resolution 681: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
  63. Resolution 694: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
  64. Resolution 726: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
  65. Resolution 799: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/un.html


Yes the UN is pretty much useless.
 
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s243a

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UNSC resolutions authorizing force do have teeth. UN Peacekeeping missions have prevented wars. Cyprus for example. Sometimes the UN serves as a platform for member nations to expose themselves:

Yes the UN is pretty much useless.

That was before Bush. No people care more about bickering then human rights and world security.