Why must we listen to the UN?

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By Simon Heffer

31/03/2007


Why must Britain listen to the weak UN?







I start to wonder whether it might not be time for us to get as nasty with other countries as they do with us. As we wait anxiously to see what will happen to our 15 hostages - for that is what they are - in Teheran, we should feel undiluted rage at the behaviour of other countries and institutions towards us. Mind you, when those third parties witness the drivelling weakness of the Foreign Office over the past week, and in particular the pathetic show put up by our Foreign Secretary - who must surely be just about the worst in our history - who can blame them?

There is no doubt the 15 were in international waters when captured, or that they were undertaking a United Nations mission in pursuit of upholding UN resolutions.

Yet the best the UN can do is pass a weak-kneed resolution describing its "grave concern", rather than a tougher one calling upon all nations to "deplore" Iran's behaviour. This is all the fault of Russia, to whom Mr Blair routinely cosies up, and whom the civilised world invites to its annual G8 summits. Russia seems to think it isn't worth "deploring" the kidnap of our sailors, so we had better start to show Russia what we think of it: by uninviting it from the G8 this year, and every year until it learns some manners. When not busy allegedly ordering the murders of his opponents, Vladimir Putin seems to enjoy hobnobbing with the leaders of civilised countries, so such a sanction would hurt.

We don't have the means to engage in gunboat diplomacy with Iran, and any special forces operation would be fraught with risks both for the hostages and their rescuers. For the moment, ever-stricter sanctions on Iran seems the only answer.

America is resolute about this: so too, oddly, is the world's greatest sanction-busting nation, France. So the scope for tightening the economic ratchet on Iran, and the means to do so, look healthy. However, we should be under no illusions about the effectiveness of such weapons.

Saddam Hussein, after all, was put under sanctions for years. Real hardship was caused to his people, but almost none to him and his ruling clique. President Ahmadinejad of Iran has already threatened Britain about our involvement of "third parties" - that is, the UN - in the present dispute, showing his utter contempt for that organisation. He would treat sanctions with similar disdain, happily cutting off the noses of his own people to spite their faces. And all the time, the threat he and his inherent instability pose to us all would never cease growing.

Whatever the immediate outcome of this crisis, Britain has some hard decisions to make. Is it worthwhile, any longer, to work through the United Nations? So long as a morally warped nation like Putin's Russia calls the shots in the Security Council, no. We can make debating points about how odd it is that Putin deplores Islamic nutters when they attack his forces but is relaxed about them attacking ours, but in the end there is no point in bothering. The UN showed itself to be weak with Saddam Hussein. It is no better now. If we are going to continue to try to be a player in the Middle East, then we have to throw in our lot with the Americans, for no one else makes the blindest bit of difference there.

The capricious, and indeed downright wicked, behaviour of the Iranians towards our sailors confirms one other thing: that the civilised world cannot let the Ahmadinejad regime develop nuclear weapons. It is not just his oft-repeated enthusiasm for wiping Israel off the face of the earth that should worry us: it is what this madman might decide he wants to do to anyone else within range.

This is no time for our clueless Government to be mothballing the Navy and cutting down the other services. For, at some stage, Iran's lethal contempt for the rule of international law is going to mean war.


telegraph.co.uk
 

Curiosity

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Ahoy Maties...... Welcome to the club of fools .... doing the 'work' of the United Nations.... bit of a joke isn't it?

Here's the new U.N. - doing good work all over the world

 

tamarin

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One sometimes wonders what would happen if the West simply vacated the Mid-East. Left it alone. I'm sure crude economics would still work their magic and we'd get our oil. Meanwhile, in the region a power struggle would appoint a champion and maybe the area would settle down. When you think about it, this is a land as far removed from us as Mars and yet it's constantly on the radar. Would simply leaving it alone work?
 

Curiosity

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Haha China

You caught that did ya? I am a bit puffed up right now.... no doubt in a few weeks I'll be complaining about the government along with everyone else....lol

It'll be good to belong to a nation again. I've been a wanderer far too long.
 

Curiosity

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One sometimes wonders what would happen if the West simply vacated the Mid-East. Left it alone. I'm sure crude economics would still work their magic and we'd get our oil. Meanwhile, in the region a power struggle would appoint a champion and maybe the area would settle down. When you think about it, this is a land as far removed from us as Mars and yet it's constantly on the radar. Would simply leaving it alone work?

Tamarin - I agree - when I suggest that the invaders simply leave - people say the old VietNam thing all over again....

Whether it is or not, perhaps more thought and history will provide a better answer when a nation decides to go to war again in the future.

Pack up and leave .... put the money where the countries need it.... back into the peaceful people at home.
 

tamarin

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Curiosity, I guess in the end if we left there would be an attack on Israel and we'd be drawn back in again. Should it be sacrificed?
 

BlackOp_Sniper

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**** the Un, it's a toothless puusy with all the benefits of a case of the clap. If they took up officiating one car races, they could **** that up to.
A human rights tribunal with some of the worst offenders at the helm and the bleeding hearts still swallow what comes out of the UN? Jesus H Christ, some people are so ****ing stupid.
 

temperance

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"toothless puusy "---pussy --cat --

no ,they just got a set of prime dentures --was going to be screw ins but --the dentist that gives free Valium before invading the mouth wasn't around --lol
 

Kreskin

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**** the Un, it's a toothless puusy with all the benefits of a case of the clap. If they took up officiating one car races, they could **** that up to.
A human rights tribunal with some of the worst offenders at the helm and the bleeding hearts still swallow what comes out of the UN? Jesus H Christ, some people are so ****ing stupid.

The US is one of 5 nations at that has any influence on it. Most of what is swallowed is a conconction of the United States to begin with. Don't kid yourself. If it meant jack squat then the US wouldn't be there period. Bush is still at the table. What gives with that? All the whining and complaining and there he is passing resolutions on Iran. Whining about the UN is bovine scattology at it's finest.
 
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**** the Un, it's a toothless puusy with all the benefits of a case of the clap. If they took up officiating one car races, they could **** that up to.
A human rights tribunal with some of the worst offenders at the helm and the bleeding hearts still swallow what comes out of the UN? Jesus H Christ, some people are so ****ing stupid.

Typically, when any real human rights abuses come up, the US is one of the first to veto doing anything useful, so I guess your comments are right on about stupidity.
 

BlackOp_Sniper

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The US is one of 5 nations at that has any influence on it. Most of what is swallowed is a conconction of the United States to begin with. Don't kid yourself. If it meant jack squat then the US wouldn't be there period. Bush is still at the table. What gives with that? All the whining and complaining and there he is passing resolutions on Iran. Whining about the UN is bovine scattology at it's finest.

Typically, when any real human rights abuses come up, the US is one of the first to veto doing anything useful, so I guess your comments are right on about stupidity.

Oh yes the US is in such control of it, that it is for ever writing resolutions against Israel while ignoring the criminal acts committed against her.
The US is the only good part of the UN. Keep the office free of rats. Could you imagine the ****ing mess the world would be in if the US wasn't in the UN to keep it from creating the new world socialist order?
 

Kreskin

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Oh yes the US is in such control of it, that it is for ever writing resolutions against Israel while ignoring the criminal acts committed against her.
The US is the only good part of the UN. Keep the office free of rats. Could you imagine the ****ing mess the world would be in if the US wasn't in the UN to keep it from creating the new world socialist order?
Come on, everyone in this world has made mistakes and contributed to its problems. If you think the worlds problems will be resolve by a conference of one, all the power to you. Let us know when everything is in order.
 

BlackOp_Sniper

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Come on, everyone in this world has made mistakes and contributed to its problems. If you think the worlds problems will be resolve by a conference of one, all the power to you. Let us know when everything is in order.
Everything will be in order when the muzzies get with the program. Us in the west are the top dogs willing to kill to get what we want and keep it. We will not go silently into the night and bow to some false god. We will not give up our freedoms and adopt some half baked religion based on the teachings of mo.
If need be, total extermination can be granted if they fail to get with the program as directed.
The UN is just a headless body, flailing around. Do you think the world run by the UN would be better off?
I forgot to act you if you feel the US should be forgiven for its percieved mistakes and supposed contibutions to the worlds problems?
 

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I know everyone loves to beat up on the UN, especially for the security council. The UN isn't all bad though, unless you think erradicating small pox was a waste of time.
 

Kreskin

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Everything will be in order when the muzzies get with the program. Us in the west are the top dogs willing to kill to get what we want and keep it. We will not go silently into the night and bow to some false god. We will not give up our freedoms and adopt some half baked religion based on the teachings of mo.
If need be, total extermination can be granted if they fail to get with the program as directed.
The UN is just a headless body, flailing around. Do you think the world run by the UN would be better off?
I forgot to act you if you feel the US should be forgiven for its percieved mistakes and supposed contibutions to the worlds problems?

Give your head a shake.
 

Kreskin

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Well what do you say?

Do you think the world would be better run by the UN?

Would you forgive the US for it supposed errors?

The world isn't run by the UN nor should it be. It's a platform to find common ground. But anyone who promotes extermination as an option has no real credible opinions anyway.

What's with the same IP address as another member?