Why Do They Hate Us So Much?

[mattyaloo]

Re: RE: Why Do They Hate Us S

Jealous? hardley. The rest of the world wants america to play fair when it comes to trade disputes and so on. America loses trade decisions but stays the status quo and that pisses a great many people off.

Too bad. The French are snots -- that pisses a great many more people off. Italians have extremely bad manners, that pisses a great many people off.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Why Do They Hate Us S

Jealous? hardley. The rest of the world wants america to play fair when it comes to trade disputes and so on. America loses trade decisions but stays the status quo and that pisses a great many people off.

Too bad. The French are snots -- that pisses a great many more people off. Italians have extremely bad manners, that pisses a great many people off.

...and the Conservatives are all bigots...and that pisses me off...

 

[no1important]

Re: RE: Why Do They Hate Us S

Jealous? hardley. The rest of the world wants america to play fair when it comes to trade disputes and so on. America loses trade decisions but stays the status quo and that pisses a great many people off.

Too bad. The French are snots -- that pisses a great many more people off. Italians have extremely bad manners, that pisses a great many people off.

What does this have to do with the French? The French don't seem to piss too many people off here. Were talking about "Why do they hate US so much?"

 

[mattyaloo]

Re: RE: Why Do They Hate Us S

Jealous? hardley. The rest of the world wants america to play fair when it comes to trade disputes and so on. America loses trade decisions but stays the status quo and that pisses a great many people off.

Too bad. The French are snots -- that pisses a great many more people off. Italians have extremely bad manners, that pisses a great many people off.

What does this have to do with the French? The French don't seem to piss too many people off here. Were talking about "Why do they hate US so much?"

I already told you why: Jealousy.

Every country in the world violates trade deals. Look it up.

 

[mattyaloo]

Re: RE: Why Do They Hate Us S

Jealous? hardley. The rest of the world wants america to play fair when it comes to trade disputes and so on. America loses trade decisions but stays the status quo and that pisses a great many people off.

Too bad. The French are snots -- that pisses a great many more people off. Italians have extremely bad manners, that pisses a great many people off.

...and the Conservatives are all bigots...and that pisses me off...

Bigots? why you say that?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Why Do They Hate Us S

Jealous? hardley. The rest of the world wants america to play fair when it comes to trade disputes and so on. America loses trade decisions but stays the status quo and that pisses a great many people off.

Too bad. The French are snots -- that pisses a great many more people off. Italians have extremely bad manners, that pisses a great many people off.

:roll:

 

[I think not]

Country Involvement in GATT Article XXIII, 1947-1994


Illegal Activity Article XXIII

• EC (EU), Defendant (92), Plaintiff (55)
• US, Defendant (71), Plaintiff (81)
• Japan, Defendant (20), Plaintiff (5)
• Canada, Defendant (14), Plaintiff (22)

The Economics of Trade Disputes,the GATT’s Article XXIII, and
the WTO’s Dispute Settlement Understanding

 

[Ocean Breeze]

http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=1&p=12476&s2=12


item gives a bit more insight into the reasons they fight the US..

kinda too bad the US mindset is fixated on their superficial assessment of this. It does suggest that many in the US find it easier to accept the lines spewed to them via their gov't than to really THINK about the cause/effect .
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the link might not take one to the item in question so here is an excerpt:

Sunday/Monday, June 12-13, 2005

All Muslims are fanatics. They hate the U.S. They are jealous of our freedoms. They want to kill in the name of Allah. The list of reasons why the U.S. is not looked upon in good graces in the Arab and Muslim portions of this planet goes on and on. Unfortunately, most of the statements are as truthful as the huge Iraqi arsenal of weapons of mass destruction.

It seems that instead of decreasing, the amount of Islamic disinformation being thrust upon the U.S. public is escalating at an alarming rate. Today, tens of millions of U.S. citizens see Islam as public enemy number one. To them, all Moslems are terrorists and they are duty-bound to blow up Americans to gain their place in heaven with 72 virgins.

Amidst all this hatred, there is one glowing aspect that has received little publicity. Robert Pape, associate professor of political science at the University of Chicago, has just released a book called Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism.

Pape’s work is astute in that he is probably the only person on Earth who has actually chronicled hundreds of suicide missions since 1980 and then analyzed the data, piece-by-piece, to determine why suicide bombers perform their acts.

Lo and behold: the overwhelming majority did not kill in the name of Allah. They carried out their missions because of occupation of territories, or misdeeds committed, by modern democratic countries.

Pape told Al-Jazeera News:

Islamic fundamentalism is not the primary driver of suicide terrorism. Nearly all suicide terrorist attacks are committed for a secular strategic goal — to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory the terrorists view as their homeland.

Technicians, waitresses, security guards, ambulance drivers, paramedics … few are criminals. Most are volunteers whose first act of violence is their very own suicide attack. The standard stereotype of a suicide attacker as a lonely individual on the margins of society with a miserable existence is actually quite far from the truth.

Once you have a more complete picture you can see that the main cause of suicide terrorism is a response to foreign occupation, not Islamic fundamentalism, and the use of heavy combat forces to transform a Muslim society is only likely to increase the number of suicide terrorists as now is happening.

Iraq is a prime example to prove Pape’s assessment. Prior to the illegal March 2003 invasion, not one suicide attack had ever been carried out on its soil. Today, they are commonplace. And, let’s look at who performs the acts: mostly secular Sunni Iraqis. Few Islamic fundamentalists in Iraq are involved in dislodging the occupiers, let alone carry out suicide missions.

The stereotypical view of Moslems is that they want to blow themselves up to appease Allah. However, Pape stated, "The purpose of suicide terrorism is not so much to die. It’s to kill. It’s to kill the maximum number in a target society."

For those who do not have Pape’s book, a 19-page paper by him (The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism) was published in August 2003 in the American Political Science Review (Vol. 97, No. 3) is available online at http://danielrezner.com/research/guest/pape1.pdf.

I would recommend going to the website and downloading the dissertation. It is compelling reading and it is laden with charts that depict hundreds of attacks, including target, date, group, weapons, and number killed.

As an atheist, I never bought into Islamic fundamentalism being the cause of suicide bombings. When I looked at the facts, the results of good old U.S. imperialism came to the forefront. Using a religion that differs from Christianity as the cause of demeaning Arabs and Moslems is just a smokescreen to divert attention from the real issues of bigotry, greed, and outright affinity for war.

A few months ago, I gave a presentation about Iraq to the Atheist Coalition of San Diego. About 60 people attended. Not one attributed suicide missions to Islamic fundamentalism. We take the religious issues and put them aside and, like Pape, can clearly see reasons other than Islamic zealotry as the base.

I could write for pages about the anti-Islamic mood in the U.S. However, a retired U.S. Marine general has already done that. I could do no better than an apology recently published by Lt. General Chuck Pitman, U.S. Marine Corps, Retired. Below is the text of his much-ballyhooed statement.

Many U.S. citizens actually believe all the lies and illogic used by Pitman. To my readers who reside outside the U.S., this is not an exaggeration. In day-to-day conversations on the radio and television, and in the print media, I see and hear the same statements.

 

[moghrabi]

I don't know if they think down there anymore. At least some of them don't. They agree with whatever is published.

 

[jimmoyer]

Superficiality is in the eye of the beholder.

Multiple choice tests such as this by Ocean Breeze never include all possibilities:

a) they think that because they are conditioned by the mass media or their political party

b) they think that because they really can think and possibly thought the issue through more than believed possible.

c) both are not true at varying times on different issues

 

[Ocean Breeze]

They agree with whatever is published.

not sure they all agree.(benefit of the doubt :wink: ) ..but it appears that they are not inclined to question what is presented to them., or they "believe" what they are told ....and simply follow along.

Hard to assess that one.

but IMHO.......don't think they THINK about these issues with an analytical mind. (maybe they are just too busy ....chasing the big bucks, and creature comforts the society has to offer :wink:

 

[jimmoyer]

One other possibility.

No one could have possibly thought something through further than you if they disagree ?

 

[I think not]

They agree with whatever is published.

not sure they all agree.(benefit of the doubt :wink: ) ..but it appears that they are not inclined to question what is presented to them., or they "believe" what they are told ....and simply follow along.

Hard to assess that one.

but IMHO.......don't think they THINK about these issues with an analytical mind. (maybe they are just too busy ....chasing the big bucks, and creature comforts the society has to offer :wink:

You should apply your own logic under topic flight 77

 

[Ocean Breeze]

They agree with whatever is published.

not sure they all agree.(benefit of the doubt :wink: ) ..but it appears that they are not inclined to question what is presented to them., or they "believe" what they are told ....and simply follow along.

Hard to assess that one.

but IMHO.......don't think they THINK about these issues with an analytical mind. (maybe they are just too busy ....chasing the big bucks, and creature comforts the society has to offer :wink:

You should apply your own logic under topic flight 77

:roll: :roll:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=3241


a nation of "scalp hunters".....where the "hunters " are heros ..and glorified.


interesting perspective on a society , and how it could have evolved to be what it is. When viewed from that perspective......it should not be a surprise that the US behaves the way it does.

seems that "tolerance" for atrocity has become part of the societal "wiring".

 

[jimmoyer]

A nation of scalp hunters ?

The Brits and the French taught the Indians.

Or who knows of the original sin ?

Be wary of your own righteousness, and your rush to embrace anything that supports your own bias.

Pat Moynihan, a great Democrat Senator from New York, said that America is a warrior nation.

True.

Eventually, though, beware as the world shrinks to the size of a small town and watch the group mindthink take over.