Why do Canadians still have to fight for CDA

[Cannuck]

No one wants to live in Detroit, or Ark. and that answer has nothing to do with giving equal rights to your citizens. While were talking about dickheads dissing anybody, look at all the anti American talk that goes on.

The anti-American talk here is by those that are insecure.

I think you didn't experience the life altering event that seems to condem so many of your contrymen to a life of misery and self doubt.

The misery and self doubt talk here is by those that are insecure. You also have to realize that there are a lot of seniors here and, relatively speaking, they tend to be more into misery and self doubt. However, the fact remains, legislation alone means nothing and the ADA definitely has it's critics. Were I to be disabled I would much prefer a life in Canada.

 

[TenPenny]

The ADA is just a law that makes the disabled equal to everyone, same as laws giving blacks, gays women etc, equal rights under the law. No more discrimination getting or holding a job just because your disabled. Public accommodations must be made accessible. I know in this day and age discrimination rarely happens anymore, but occasionally it rears its ugly head. Canada needs a CDA act now, time for talking about it is over. The basic's of the employment part of the law is: If a person is capable of doing a job, then they are protected. Cannot be treated differently when applying for or holding the job. No, more jobs have opened up because of the law than were lost. In fact choices of jobs have pretty much been bought up to a level playing field with everyone. The disabled are a large part of the population and deserve every right afforded anyone else.

Can you give some concrete examples of why Canada needs a new law? Where, exactly, are we lacking in our existing legislation?

 

[Niflmir]

Why do we need a special act when it is written directly in our Charter of rights and freedoms?

 

[Machjo]

Floor in a thud. How'ja know??

Naw, just tired of dickheads dissing Canada. Ain't perfect for sure, but I wouldn't want to live in Detroit, or Arkansas

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Fair enough; the OP was worded a little confrontationally. The only reason I chose to give it a brreak was 'cause the US has been dissed quite abit on these forums too. I'm not saying two wrongs don't make a right, but just that I'd decided to give the OP a break just this once. But if you want to bite it in the rear, go right ahead.

 

[ironsides]

Being disabled anywhere is not easy. If you ever become a wheelchair user (which I would never wish upon anybody) there is only a couple places to live full time in N. America and that is lower S.E. or S.W. United States, especially as you age. Patriotism etc. all aside, I probably wouldn't see any difference between our countries, take away the border and who would know where you are. The ADA has very few critics among those for whom it was meant for, definatly has improved quality of life.

 

[ironsides]

Why do we need a special act when it is written directly in our Charter of rights and freedoms?

From what I have learned, your Charter of Rights and Freedoms lacks teeth to enforce the law. In theory it should have taken care of Women's Rights, Gay Rights etc. (Why write special statutes into it?) But the lawmakers gave it more meaning and clout by specifically defining what is expected from it. Why is it that only Ontario has passed a form of ADA.CDA and no other's have? I know, I would not expect to run into trouble anywhere in Canada if I was in a W/C, but it would not be the law protecting me but the individual.

 

[Niflmir]

From what I have learned, your Charter of Rights and Freedoms lacks teeth to enforce the law. In theory it should have taken care of Women's Rights, Gay Rights etc. (Why write special statutes into it?) But the lawmakers gave it more meaning and clout by specifically defining what is expected from it. Why is it that only Ontario has passed a form of ADA.CDA and no other's have? I know, I would not expect to run into trouble anywhere in Canada if I was in a W/C, but it would not be the law protecting me but the individual.

Really, lacks teeth? Most Canadians feel it has too much bite. This charter gave homosexuals the right to marry.

Ontario also specifically wrote into their provincial bill of rights that sex-differentiating auto insurance was not discrimination, which was recently overruled. Ontario is alone in thinking it needs to add to the charter.

When I was reading up on discrimination case law, disability discrimination was a more common theme than others. The one I remember prominently was a remote Canada Post outlet without a wheel chair ramp that was forced to make one. I think they all do it by default now. You cannot even fire someone for alcoholism if they are trying to get help.

The supreme law of Canada protects those with disabilities, both mental and physical. If you wish to enlighten yourself on specific topics I can help, but this battle was fought long ago and won in Canada.

 

[ironsides]

I am aware that people like Laurie Beachel. National Coordinator for the Council of Canadians with disabilities is not sure like you of the need for specific rules, She would prefer to make equality a reality under existing laws. New laws or existing laws, it will first be necessary to turn that political will into decisive action.

This is what was proposed in 2004. No new laws that I am aware of have resulted from it yet.

"Creating Opportunity for Canadians with Disabilities
Many Canadians with disabilities are ready to contribute but confront difficult obstacles in the workplace and in their communities. And too often, families are left on their own to care for a severely disabled relative. Here too, the Government of Canada has a role.
We want a Canada in which citizens with disabilities have the opportunity to contribute to and benefit from Canada’s prosperity - as learners, workers, volunteers, and family members.
Canada cannot afford to squander the talents of people with disabilities or turn its back on those who seek to provide care and a life of dignity for family members with severe disabilities.
The Government will start by working with the provinces and territories to fill the gaps in education and skills development and in workplace supports and workplace accommodation for people with disabilities.
It will lead by example in supporting the hiring, accommodation and retention of Canadians with disabilities in the Government of Canada - the nation’s largest employer - and in federally regulated industries.
The Government will also improve the fairness of the tax system for people with disabilities, and their supporting families, based on the findings of the Advisory Committee on Tax Measures, which will report this fall and will implement early actions in areas of priority."
CBC News Indepth: Canadian Government

If all the above have become law then your right, Canada does not need a CDA. The word is if.

Thank you for your offer about enlightening myself on specific topics, I might just take you up on it.

 

[Niflmir]

The ADA is just a law that makes the disabled equal to everyone, same as laws giving blacks, gays women etc, equal rights under the law. No more discrimination getting or holding a job just because your disabled. Public accommodations must be made accessible. I know in this day and age discrimination rarely happens anymore, but occasionally it rears its ugly head. Canada needs a CDA act now, time for talking about it is over. The basic's of the employment part of the law is: If a person is capable of doing a job, then they are protected. Cannot be treated differently when applying for or holding the job. No, more jobs have opened up because of the law than were lost. In fact choices of jobs have pretty much been bought up to a level playing field with everyone. The disabled are a large part of the population and deserve every right afforded anyone else.

I am aware that people like Laurie Beachel. National Coordinator for the Council of Canadians with disabilities is not sure like you of the need for specific rules, She would prefer to make equality a reality under existing laws. New laws or existing laws, it will first be necessary to turn that political will into decisive action.

This is what was proposed in 2004. No new laws that I am aware of have resulted from it yet.

"Creating Opportunity for Canadians with Disabilities
Many Canadians with disabilities are ready to contribute but confront difficult obstacles in the workplace and in their communities. And too often, families are left on their own to care for a severely disabled relative. Here too, the Government of Canada has a role.
We want a Canada in which citizens with disabilities have the opportunity to contribute to and benefit from Canada’s prosperity - as learners, workers, volunteers, and family members.
Canada cannot afford to squander the talents of people with disabilities or turn its back on those who seek to provide care and a life of dignity for family members with severe disabilities.
The Government will start by working with the provinces and territories to fill the gaps in education and skills development and in workplace supports and workplace accommodation for people with disabilities.
It will lead by example in supporting the hiring, accommodation and retention of Canadians with disabilities in the Government of Canada - the nation’s largest employer - and in federally regulated industries.
The Government will also improve the fairness of the tax system for people with disabilities, and their supporting families, based on the findings of the Advisory Committee on Tax Measures, which will report this fall and will implement early actions in areas of priority."
CBC News Indepth: Canadian Government

If all the above have become law then your right, Canada does not need a CDA. The word is if.

Thank you for your offer about enlightening myself on specific topics, I might just take you up on it.

Ok, so what you are now talking about is affirmative action, which I happen to support. Before you were saying that they needed a law which stated they were equal and that we needed to give them protection from discrimination; this we have.

Most of those things don't need new legislation, they just need money assigned to them in the budget. The taxes are altered in some way or another every year, I am not sure if they have done anything to them. But I think the key phrase in there is that we need to "fill the gaps," which we need to do in many other areas as well, in my opinion. I know that my mother has been involved in some of these programs in education, so they are trying.

 

[gerryh]

that's rich....he references a throne speach......

"yup, yup, yup.....I know what I are talking about...uh huh...uh huh...uh huh...."

 

[EagleSmack]

Floor in a thud. How'ja know??

Naw, just tired of dickheads dissing Canada. Ain't perfect for sure, but I wouldn't want to live in Detroit, or Arkansas

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It sucks when people diss your country doesn't it? Perhaps you should stop dissing other countries.

Ranch and Iron are just giving it back.

 

[TenPenny]

Being disabled anywhere is not easy. If you ever become a wheelchair user (which I would never wish upon anybody) there is only a couple places to live full time in N. America and that is lower S.E. or S.W. United States, especially as you age.

Excuse me for pointing out that this statement makes NO sense whatsoever.

 

[EagleSmack]

Excuse me for pointing out that this statement makes NO sense whatsoever.

I agree.

What are you talking about Iron? Is it because of the weather?

 

[TenPenny]

From what I have learned, your Charter of Rights and Freedoms lacks teeth to enforce the law. In theory it should have taken care of Women's Rights, Gay Rights etc.

And are you claiming that it doesn't?

 

[lone wolf]

It sucks when people diss your country doesn't it? Perhaps you should stop dissing other countries.

Ranch and Iron are just giving it back.

Unfortunately, some folks can't tell the difference between disagree and disrespect.

 

[#juan]

In fact, here's a list of countries that have included a national sign language in their constitution:

The Czech Republic
Finland
Greece
Portugal
Slovakia
South Africa
Uganda
Venezuela

Strange that. Canada ain't there.

And that ain't all.

Contemporary Local Sign Languages

• American Sign Language (ASL)
• Auslan, used in Australia
• British Sign Language (BSL)
• Dutch Sign Language (NGT)
• Finnish Sign Language (FinSL)
• Flemish Sign Language (VGT)
• French Sign Language (LSF)
• German Sign Language "Deutsche Gebärdensprache" (DGS)
• German-Swiss Sign Language "Deutschschweizer Gebärdensprache" (DSGS)
• Irish Sign Language (ISL)
• Japanese Sign Language (JSL)
• New Zealand Sign Language (NZSL)
• Nicaraguan Sign Language (LSN)
• Taiwanese Sign Language (TSL)

 

[ironsides]

That is the term "affirmative action", it does fill in the gaps. Thanks a lot.

 

[ironsides]

Excuse me for pointing out that this statement makes NO sense whatsoever.

Warm hot weather in winter. No snow, easy to push chair.

 

[ironsides]

I agree.

What are you talking about Iron? Is it because of the weather?

Yes, the weather. I have no idea why they call it the "Golden years". Can't take the cold anymore.

 

[lone wolf]

Yes, the weather. I have no idea why they call it the "Golden years". Can't take the cold anymore.

Because gold, like old bones, is a very efficient conductor of cold.... ;-)