Why didn’t Trudeau want to link the Fort Mac fire to climate change?

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itt: warmist mouthbreathers that can't even forest fire.


Canadian Historical Forest Fires: Canadian Geographic In Depth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires#Canada_and_the_United_States

 

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Boomer from Denierville refuses to accept the fact that climate change can play a role in wildfires.
 
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Boomer from Denierville refuses to accept the fact that climate change plays a role.

Mentalfloss with his head up his azz, can't figure out the world has been here for a billion years and the climate has been changing without the help of man, from an ice age to tropical oasis.

....and it will continue to change long after mankind has been extinguished.
 

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You do realize that both natural and human induced climate change exists, right?
 

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The effect has already been shown to be the dominant factor.

Most natural forcings are in their cooling cycle while the planet is still getting warmer.

Yes linking to a site that looks like the Religion of Peace is really convincing lol
 

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Cuz he's chicken ****?

Why didn’t Trudeau want to link the Fort Mac fire to climate change?



You don't think that maybe right now is the time to deal with the crisis, not make grandiose claims about climate change?


If climate change is the cause, that would imply that we've never had wildfires in the history of the world, right? They're just a completely new phenomenon, that nobody has ever seen before.
 

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He linked wild fires to climate change.
JT hasn't but recent documentaries are using it as a reason that some glaciers are melting faster than 'normal'. What they are failing to take into account is that the crust under the ice is warming up due to 'warmer than normal' magma flowing against the underside of the crust as being the reason for the ice melting faster.

Water on top of the ice is not caused by 'the sun' alone as it is the warmth from below that is rising in fissures and adding the heat that water can exist and that it can flow down the cracks to bedrock and remain in water form. (water falling into a glacier should freeze long before it descended a few miles through solid ice) An example of warmth coming from below can be seen in a time lapse of the way Antarctica has lost ice from it's glaciers. The largest piece was preceded by water forming on the surface as a lake and then as many lakes and finally as 1 big lake before the whole area collapsed as slush. That is a case of gradual warming from below and if that theme fits one place then it should match other parts too.
A time lapse of the summer floating ice in the Arctic can be used the same way. The yearly change would be based on the temperature change of the water and that is based on the speeding up or the slowing down of the various rifts in the area. When it is smaller than the year before the rifts are expanding at a faster rate and when the ice expands the expansion rate is slower. I haven't found 1 that shows snowfall extent or the precep that is below that, but it's pattern can be predicted.
 

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If climate change is the cause, that would imply that we've never had wildfires in the history of the world, right? They're just a completely new phenomenon, that nobody has ever seen before.
The fires would be the 'butterfly wing' part of the move into releasing an updated model that show various climate models for various locations around the globe. Most now focus on the oceans getting warmer (in some spots) and that warmth being transferred with the water to a different location where that heat is released into the air with effects on climate as the 'by-product' of that change. That change would include modification of the jet stream from a mostly east to west direction and any big dips were something the winters could cause.
Winter has bigger north and south movements of air and that would be reflected on the ground as being a global weather modifier and it\s effects can be 'measured' and that can be used to supply a 'probability' and from there 'reasonable thinking' is the only guide there is. For North America it means warmer in BC and Alaska and cooler all the way from the Rockies (@ elevation) to Miami. (rain and hail)
The warmer air off the coast of Alaska and BC enters the Arctic and that cause an increase in air pressure on the cold air circling the Arctic and a 'blob equal to the size of the warm one that entered to the west is) gets sent south as the Gulf Stream is causing winds to blow from the south rather than the west.

Take that pattern around the globe and Moscow would be getting Greece like weather and Ireland would be getting colder winds from the north as that would be the Gulf Stream air after all it's heat and moisture had been taken by the cold winds from Canada's north. The faults in the oceanic rifts would increase the carbon output by some amount if it's rate of expansion (Atlantic and Pacific basins)
That means you start with a timeline that is 200M years old. The crustal ages are based on cores of the sea-floor so maps that are more accurate than the global one that is currently used are possible to show when expansion rates changed and those years could be used as a reference point to apply known weather reports and rates should begin to show a warming or cooling trend depending where you were. The Pacific also expanded at a different rate than the Atlantic so the heat released to the water would have been greater and weather changes would also have been greater depending which part of the ring of fire that was expanding faster/slower and that may have been enough to determine when the earth was in an ice-age or not or determine if El Nino was the manifestation of that heat making it to surface and being transferred to the atmosphere where it caused global wind pattern changes
 

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You don't think that maybe right now is the time to deal with the crisis, not make grandiose claims about climate change?


If climate change is the cause, that would imply that we've never had wildfires in the history of the world, right? They're just a completely new phenomenon, that nobody has ever seen before.

In case you have not noticed, Flossy types link EVERY event to climate change.
 

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Boomer from Denierville refuses to accept the fact that climate change can play a role in wildfires.
How much do the greenie weenies who object to the harvest of deadfall and fallen timber add to the tinder situation on a dry forest floor add? ... or those people who refuse to see fire break in clear cut? Blame all you want ... but at least have a viable option if you want to be taken as more than a joke
 

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You don't think that maybe right now is the time to deal with the crisis, not make grandiose claims about climate change?


If climate change is the cause, that would imply that we've never had wildfires in the history of the world, right? They're just a completely new phenomenon, that nobody has ever seen before.

Link is different than cause but I agree that he played it safe.
 

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How much do the greenie weenies who object to the harvest of deadfall and fallen timber add to the tinder situation on a dry forest floor add? ... or those people who refuse to see fire break in clear cut? Blame all you want ... but at least have a viable option if you want to be taken as more than a joke
Considering it is mostly swamp this is a case of water, water everywhere. Should there be any reason to rebuild perhaps manicured swamps might be in order. Since throwing the deadfall into standing water is the best cure and it isn't hugely expensive. Open it up to quaders and they would do it for the right to use the area for camping.