Why Change the Federal Government?

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Controversial MP Grewal not seeking Tory re-election

I wonder why he changed his mind? He was insisting late as a couple weeks ago he was. I guess he could not stand the humilation of defeat. I am so happy he will be gone. He was a useless mp. He is my MP but is useless, never responds to email, talks lots but does nothing. He is more corrupt than the liberals involved in Gomery so good riddance. :)
 

Martin Le Acadien

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You guys and gals are SOOOOOO LUCKY, you can send em home early and start over, we are stuck.

On KLRZ there was a call to suceed from Louisiana and form our own country or join Canada, most French speaking Cajuns voting in favor of becoming the 11th Province!

Bonne Chance.

Stuck with Dubya for 3 more years!
 

Ocean Breeze

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Martin Le Acadien said:
You guys and gals are SOOOOOO LUCKY, you can send em home early and start over, we are stuck.

On KLRZ there was a call to suceed from Louisiana and form our own country or join Canada, most French speaking Cajuns voting in favor of becoming the 11th Province!

Bonne Chance.

Stuck with Dubya for 3 more years!

MARTIN!!! :) so nice to see ya again.

11th province?? Not a bad idea... Saves going through all that tricky immigration procedure. :wink: Has possibilities.. :wink:
 

Ocean Breeze

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the caracal kid said:
good grief. It seems more and more every time Harper opens his mouth he is an embarassment to Canada.

absolutely. Of all the issues to focus on. ........sheesh. He is a throwback in society. .....and it is scary to consider how far BACK he would move the country........or settle it into stagnation.


that isn't a "vision"......... that is rear view mirror stuff. :roll:
 

Colpy

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Martin Le Acadien said:
You guys and gals are SOOOOOO LUCKY, you can send em home early and start over, we are stuck.

On KLRZ there was a call to suceed from Louisiana and form our own country or join Canada, most French speaking Cajuns voting in favor of becoming the 11th Province!

Bonne Chance.

Stuck with Dubya for 3 more years!

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you guys already settled the issue of separation from the Union in a little tiff called the Civil War, at a cost of 625,000 dead.

Wish somebody would point that out to our Quebecois friends.
 

Durgan

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30 November 2005.
What has the CPC and Harper done today to makes asses of themselves?

I heard something on the radio (CBC)about him proposing Special Courts. This sounds a bit like the special prosecutors in the US to try political scandals. Any news is welcome.

Durgan.
 

Reverend Blair

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He proposed a special political prosecutor. He didn't explain how that would work within Canada's legal system though. Our provincial Attorneys General are in charge of prosecuting legal cases, so the appointment of a federal prosecutor would be infringing on those provincial jurisdictions that Harper wants so badly to protect.

He also didn't say how that prosecutor would be chosen, exactly. A partisan prosecutor given the kind of power that Harper is talking about could easily go on a witch hunt. This is especially true because Harper has proposed that those not yet in office would be under the jurisdiction of this prosecutor as well. It is quite conceivable that such a prosector could launch an investigation into a star candidate in a key riding on rather flimsy evidence in an effort to influence a campaign.

While I think that we need some very real oversight when it comes to Parliament, Harper's plan sounds ill-considered and open to abuse to me.
 

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On another front, I can only assume that Chretien is trying to make the Liberals lose the election, in order to get back at Paul Martin.

Say what you will about Chretien, he is politically smart. So why would he announce today that he is challenging the Gomery inquiry, knowing that the Liberals are trying to let it go quiet? The only possible explanation is sabotage, because he hates Martin.

This one will be interesting to watch.
 

Reverend Blair

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So why would he announce today that he is challenging the Gomery inquiry, knowing that the Liberals are trying to let it go quiet?

Today was his last day to file and it will likely be a year before this goes to court. There is an argument to be made that Gomery and his chief counsel were biased against Chretien, although it's going to be tough to prove.



On another front, I can only assume that Chretien is trying to make the Liberals lose the election, in order to get back at Paul Martin.
The only possible explanation is sabotage, because he hates Martin.

That'd be my guess. The battle for control of the Liberal Party between the Chretienites and the Martinites marches on. This really goes back to Pearson vs. Trudeau, but now it's getting interesting.
 

Colpy

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Reverend Blair said:
So why would he announce today that he is challenging the Gomery inquiry, knowing that the Liberals are trying to let it go quiet?

Today was his last day to file and it will likely be a year before this goes to court. There is an argument to be made that Gomery and his chief counsel were biased against Chretien, although it's going to be tough to prove.



On another front, I can only assume that Chretien is trying to make the Liberals lose the election, in order to get back at Paul Martin.
The only possible explanation is sabotage, because he hates Martin.

That'd be my guess. The battle for control of the Liberal Party between the Chretienites and the Martinites marches on. This really goes back to Pearson vs. Trudeau, but now it's getting interesting.

I agree with all of this.

I thought it was disgusting watching Martin on the stand at the Gomery Inquiry. I thought every lawyer in the place was going to fall on the floor and grovel for permission to kiss his ring. Or his arse.

Ask me how surprized I was that the Inquiry found there was no evidence against Martin.
 

Reverend Blair

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Gomery and his chief counsel were part of the Mulroney faithful, Colpy. If anything, they were biased against Martin too. I don't think that Gomery let his bias affect his judgement at all.

The Conservatives are now trying to muddy the waters because they didn't like the judgement. They are doing very little to address the circumstances that led to the scandal being possible, instead trying to fire up a witch hunt that addresses past Liberal corruption without ever touching opportunities for further Conservative corruption.
 

Durgan

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Harper is proposing to reduce the GST by 1% immediately and 2% over five years. What does he hope to achieve by this action?

Harper's CPC efforts so far.
Day 1. SSM - effect loses the Gay vote.
Day 2. Proposes a Starr-like (USA) prosecutor. To achieve what end as opposed to the existing legal structure?
Day 3. GST tax reduction- What is the proposed effect by this action?

Quote.

http://subverte.notlong.com

People who claim that tax rates affect growth are not serious economists; more often they are journalists, radio-talk show hosts, politicians and other types of snake oil salesmen with easy solutions to complex problems. You can dismiss their bumper sticker slogans with perfect confidence. Unquote.

Durgan.
 

Jay

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Hmmm, let me guess, a leftie site?

Did tax cuts work for Ireland?

Simple 101 economics teaches: not only does it provide for growth, it can also increase the government’s coffers.
 

Jay

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Tax cuts did work for Ireland.

Terrorists in Northern Ireland didn't achieve the goals they wanted; that didn't work.
 

Jay

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http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/510


"In his research into the causes of growth differences between OECD economies the American economist James Gwartney showed that there was a direct correlation between economic growth and tax burden. The higher the level of taxation, the lower the growth rate. The explanation for this phenomenon is as logical as it is simple. The higher the tax level, the lower the incentive for people to make a productive contribution to society. The higher the fiscal burden, the more resources flow from the productive sector to the ever more inefficient government apparatus."

"Ireland has proved that a substantial lowering of the taxation level can become the motor for launching even the most slackish economy into full gear. A drastic reduction of the Irish tax rate, from 53% in 1986 to its current 35% , has led to a continuous boom of wealth creation at an average rate of 5.6% during the past two decades, while the number of jobs has grown by over 50%. In barely 18 years Ireland jumped from the 22nd to the 4th place in the OECD prosperity ranking. Ireland did not reduce its social welfare benefits. On the contrary. The unprecedented growth led to an increase of fiscal revenue and social expenditure. It was sufficient to improve the productivity of the government."

"One crucial element of the Irish model is its “fair tax” system, in which there is less emphasis on taxing labour and profit and slightly more on taxing consumption. This balance between direct and indirect taxation motivates labourers and entrepreneurs to make productive contributions. It stimulates new initiatives and guarantees a high degree of participation."
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They probably don't discuss things like this at NDP Party meetings. It isn't in their best interest I guess.


I'm not going to prove the terrorist thing. I will allow you to just believe what you want on that point.
 

Reverend Blair

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So your proof is throwing a right-wing site up because you don't like the view of a left-wing site?

Economists for all their theories, do not agree on taxes, Jay. They really don't agree on much. Remember that deficits were good, then they were bad, now they're good if you're a Bush supporter (or a Harperite, judging by Stevie's policies) but bad if you have a working brain.

The same goes for taxes. Government spending, paid for by taxes, stimulates the economy. So does taxing corporations and the wealthy heavily while taxing small business and the working class less.

There isn't a whole lot of evidence that reducing taxes for the wealthy and corporations and shifting the tax burden onto the working class stimulates the economy though. There is a fair bit of evidence that the policies that go with that lead to low-paid, low benefit jobs and the fleeing of capital to places that ignore the environment and human rights.