When does life begin?

[talloola]

Indeed. I did not vote in the poll, because it did not have the option I support. That option would be 'we don't know'.

Scientific view is that life is a continuum. Thus both the sperm and egg are alive before conception. Even with death of a human being, his cells can live on forever in a Petri dish.

Arguing as to when life begins is like arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. That is a profound question, which we cannot answer. To say that life begins at conception is a religious definition, not a scientific one.



Quite so, VanIsle. Claiming life begins at conception is a religious definition. That is what the Pope and Fundamentalist preachers say, that is not the scientific consensus.



Indeed, It would be quite right and proper ot say that embryo or fetus begins at conception. But life begins at conception? That is nonsense.

The embryo is alive inside of the pregnant woman, so it is
splitting hairs to say it isn't the beginning of life, but
it must continue to be alive and come into this world to
actually be a 'person' who is 'alive' on this earth, so in one way I agree with
you, and in another I don't.

 

[ironsides]

Is the subject human life or just life? An egg is alive, a sperm is alive. They each are not human or are they? I'm no fool, I have no answer. :smile:

Developmental Biology 8e Online: When Does Human Life Begin?

 

[Kreskin]

I'm assuming this is about abortion. You've asked an irrelevant question.

 

[JLM]

I think you are on a "slippery slope" when you decide to take a life, regardless of when it begins. The fetus is the subject of the matter, not the mother, until such time as her physical health becomes an issue.

 

[Kreskin]

I think you are on a "slippery slope" when you decide to take a life, regardless of when it begins. The fetus is the subject of the matter, not the mother, until such time as her physical health becomes an issue.

The slippery slope is giving the fetus more rights to the mother's body than the mother.

 

[JLM]

The slippery slope is giving the fetus more rights to the mother's body than the mother.

That's one opinion. :smile:

 

[Kreskin]

That's one opinion. :smile:

And the mother's opinion is worth more than mine.

 

[JLM]

And the mother's opinion is worth more than mine.

ONly if it's in the best interest of the fetus...:smile::smile:

 

[Kreskin]

ONly if it's in the best interest of the fetus...:smile::smile:

Aha! Then the fetus (and subsequently bacteria) has more rights to her body than she does.

 

[JLM]

Aha! Then the fetus (and subsequently bacteria) has more rights to her body than she does.

Yep, she had the opportunity to make a decision not to put herself in that position. She can't have it both ways. :smile:

 

[Kreskin]

Yep, she had the opportunity to make a decision not to put herself in that position. She can't have it both ways. :smile:

So, since bacteria is a life it then has more rights to your body than you?

 

[gerryh]

So, since bacteria is a life it then has more rights to your body than you?

Now the idiot arguments start.

 

[Kreskin]

Now the idiot arguments start.

Aren't you the idiot using 'when life begins' as a benchmark?

If you don't want her to have an abortion, don't have sex with her.

 

[JLM]

So, since bacteria is a life it then has more rights to your body than you?

I gave you my general opinion, when you make a decision it's impossible to cover all scenarios. A lot of bacteria are necessary to maintain life. Some situatioins cant' be avoided. Pregnancy isn't one of them. with the exception of rape. :smile:

 

[gerryh]

Aren't you the idiot using 'when life begins' as a benchmark?

If you don't want her to have an abortion, don't have sex with her.

How about you elaborate on that statement so I can see how much you are twisting things.

 

[JLM]

Now the idiot arguments start.

You do have a way with words, Ger. I was trying to tread softly, but you've hammered the point home for sure. :lol:

 

[VanIsle]

Yep, she had the opportunity to make a decision not to put herself in that position. She can't have it both ways. :smile:

That is not necessarily true. Bad stuff happens so before you lay blame ----- careful on what you say. "Mothers" make all kinds of decisions. Some good and some not so good.
Rape does happen and so do faulty condoms. Rare but it does happen.

 

[gerryh]

That is not necessarily true. Bad stuff happens so before you lay blame ----- careful on what you say. "Mothers" make all kinds of decisions. Some good and some not so good.
Rape does happen and so do faulty condoms. Rare but it does happen.

He akready discounted rape from the equation. Deciding to have sex means you put yourself at risk of becoming pregnant, no matter what contraception method you use. None are 100% effective.

 

[Kreskin]

Don't have sex with her. That way 100% of the time she won't have an abortion.

 

[talloola]

And if all of you who want to save the 'embryo' at any cost
are going to be true to yourselves, why do you all of a
sudden change your tune because of rape, you don't give
a rats ass about the mother for any other reason, but for
rape you do.

Why aren't you preaching that she should have the baby and
adopt it out, but no, all of a sudden you can do a 360
and say 'awe poor mom to be' lets let her have an abortion,
how big of you.

jeesh