What's the end game for Crimea?

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Coal, Iron ore, Eastern Europe's silicon valley is located in Ukraine, Bread basket of Eastern Europe (see Holodomor}, major manufacturing, a lot of key industries that Russia doesn't want to lose to the rest of the world
 
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The UN has to put some teeth into the cease fire agreement, keep supporting Ukraine with equipment and training, no need for boots on the ground just help Ukraine get organized and grow stronger believe it or not Russia is already scared of Ukraine's will for independence and inner strength to survive

UN and teeth, good one :) veto power renders the un toothless.
IMO russia is not scared of ukraine but they do recognize the threat posed by nato troops and arms amassing on their border, nato would dearly luv to control eastern ukraine so they could pour more troops and arms onto russias' border. I don't find it strange at all that russia feels compelled to resist nato efforts in ukraine.
 

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I agree and as long as Russia keeps the country destabilized the vote to join NATO or the European union is unattainable due to not a true consensus of the residents of Ukraine
 
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I agree and as long as Russia keeps the country destabilized the vote to join NATO or the European union is unattainable due to not a true consensus of the residents of Ukraine
Hey retard, Crimea was over some time ago. You better start wondering about Alaska bailing back to the motherland now that everybody knows fuk all would be done about it. Alaska and Alberta both star with the same letter, perhaps we are distant relatives.


https://sputniknews.com/europe/201811251070123268-ukraine-donbass-shelling-heavy-artillery/
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The Ukrainian army on Sunday opened up with massive artillery fire, shelling residential areas of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), an RIA Novosti correspondent has reported.

The shelling began at about 19:50 GMT, according to the correspondent. The Ukrainian army is using various weapons, including heavy artillery.
The number of attacks by the Ukrainian army in the Donbass region is likely to increase following new deliveries of Polish weapons to Ukraine, Eduard Basurin, deputy commander of the DPR Operational Command, said Friday.
According to Basurin, in mid-November, a Polish company supplied Kiev with over 23,000 60-mm mortar shells and noted that Ukrainian forces in Donbass would receive this ammunition in the near future.
The ongoing military operation in eastern Ukraine was launched by Kiev in 2014 against militias in Donbass, after local residents of the region refused to recognize the new Ukrainian government and its representatives.


https://sputniknews.com/europe/2018...e-kerch-strait-crisis-martial-law-poroshenko/
KIEV (Sputnik) - Kiev is considering imposing martial law after a recent incident on the Black Sea, and the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine (NSDC) convened an urgent meeting to discuss the issue, NSDC Secretary Oleksandr Turchynov said on Sunday.

On Sunday, Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) said that three ships of the Ukrainian Navy — Berdyansk, Nikopol and Yany Kapu — were detained after violating the Russian maritime border, according to articles 19 and 21 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. The Ukrainian naval ships did not react to legal demands of the vessels accompanying them and made dangerous maneuvers, the FSB noted.
The National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine at an urgent meeting asked to impose martial law in the country for 60 days and the decision has yet to be approved by the Verkhovna Rada, the Ukrainian parliament.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Monday that the imposition of martial law in the country would not affect the situation in Donbass, and did not mean that Kiev would conduct an offensive military operation.
"The introduction of martial law does not mean in any way that Ukraine will conduct any offensive actions. Ukraine will conduct exclusively actions to defend its territory, protect and ensure security of its citizens. It also does not mean a change of position on the contact line in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions and other areas," the Ukrainian president said in a speech broadcast by Ukrainian television channels.
According to the president, the possible introduction of martial law in the country does not mean that Kiev rejects the Minsk agreements, he added.
"The martial law does not mean our refusal of a political and diplomatic settlement of the liberation of Ukrainian territory. We have intentions to continue to adhere to all international obligations, including the Minsk agreements," Poroshenko said at the NSDC meeting.


https://sputniknews.com/russia/201811261070126339-russia-ukraine-kerch-strati-unsc-urgent-meeting/
On Sunday, three ships of the Ukrainian Navy, in violation of Articles 19 and 21 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, crossed the Russian sea border, entered a temporarily closed area of Russian territorial waters, moving from the Black Sea toward the Kerch Strait, according to the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB).
Another group of ships was heading for the Kerch Strait from the Azov Sea port of Berdyans'k. The Kerch Strait, which links Black and Azov seas, was closed by Russia on Sunday to civilian ships for security reasons. Later the same day, the FSB reported that the same three ships of the Ukrainian Navy — Berdyansk, Nikopol and Yany Kapu — had been detained after violating Russian state border. The Ukrainian ships did not react to legal demands of the ships accompanying them and made dangerous maneuvers, the FSB noted.


Apparently this new front means Syria will be remaining Syria for the foreseeable future. The Golan Heights included as Israel is scrambling to be part of a different development that won't be on-line any time soon. Turkey is their main competition and Syria and Iran will discount NG to them.
 
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https://sputniknews.com/world/201811261070136543-black-sea-us-spy-plane/
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - A Crete-based US spy plane entered the Black Sea area on Monday morning after a standoff between Ukraine and Russia over a strait that separates it from the Sea of Azov, the Ukrainian military portal reported.

The Boeing RC-135V reconnaissance plane left the US naval base at Souda Bay on Crete at 05:50 GMT and headed east, the portal said.
The electronic intelligence aircraft was reportedly in Bulgarian airspace as of 06:30 GMT and flying toward the Crimean peninsula, a Russian territory in the Black Sea.
 

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Hey Penis breath what did Russia do yesterday by Crimea? How is Sputnik spinning it? Sounds like the UN is about to apply more sanctions on Russia.
 

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Hey Penis breath what did Russia do yesterday by Crimea? How is Sputnik spinning it? Sounds like the UN is about to apply more sanctions on Russia.
"UN sanctions on Russia" ...that's about as effective as writing them a traffic ticket.
 

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I think they were feeling it until they entered Syria and set up new trades with Iran, China, Turkey, etc. Problem is Putin and company don't care if the populace go hungry, as long as he doesn't look weak. The people are starting to complain, but the rest are to scared yet.
 

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I think they were feeling it until they entered Syria and set up new trades with Iran, China, Turkey, etc. Problem is Putin and company don't care if the populace go hungry, as long as he doesn't look weak. The people are starting to complain, but the rest are to scared yet.
The Russian "system" may have changed over time but there has always been powerful institutions there meant to terrorize the populace into obdience. I believe that the word is "Thugocracy".
 

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I think they were feeling it until they entered Syria and set up new trades with Iran, China, Turkey, etc. Problem is Putin and company don't care if the populace go hungry, as long as he doesn't look weak. The people are starting to complain, but the rest are to scared yet.
Liar.

It is the EU farmers with no buyers that are going hungry. At least you are proving the collective has no shame at all about what shit thy post as the truth.

https://www.activistpost.com/2018/11/ukraine-provokes-russia-to-what-end.html

Russia has seized three Ukrainian military vessels violating its territory near Russia’s newly completed Crimean Bridge. The incident is a clear provocation carried out by Kiev and possibly engineered by Kiev’s Western sponsors – particularly those in Washington and London.
Ukrainian military vessels are in fact permitted to pass from the Black Sea into the Sea of Azov provided they notify Russian authorities beforehand. The Sea of Azov – according to a joint agreement signed by Kiev and Moscow in 2003 – is considered internal waters of both Ukraine and Russia.
With the completion of the Crimean Bridge connecting Russian Crimea to the rest of Russian territory across the Strait of Kerch, security measures have understandably increased.
According to Russian state media, Ukrainian military vessels have previously observed agreed upon protocol when transiting the Strait of Kerch with military vessels. For the sake of provocation, they chose not to this time.

TASS would explain in its article titled, “All three Ukrainian Navy vessels that violated Russia’s border detained in Black Sea,” that:
The FSB [Russian Federal Security Service] stressed that Ukraine was aware of the procedure for warships’ passage through Russia’s territorial sea and Kerch-Yenikale Canal. “They have already used that procedure for innocent passage,” it said.


https://www.rt.com/news/444928-martial-law-poroshenko-election-kerch/
Ukraine has declared martial law following a minor skirmish with Russian ships in the Kerch Strait. But why would Kiev take such a dramatic move now, five years after declaring itself at war with Russia?
Western headlines are once again sounding with warnings about “Russian aggression” after Russian ships opened fire on three Ukrainian military vessels attempting to cross the Kerch Strait on Sunday. Moscow says the vessels failed to notify of their intent to cross as required, and even denied having that intent on the night before. The Kerch Strait connects the Black Sea and the Azov Sea and separates Crimea from the Russian mainland.
The incident, which saw the Ukrainian ships detained and some sailors treated for injuries, was quickly framed as Russian aggression by many pundits and prompted vows of support for Ukraine from European Union officials. As always with mainstream Western coverage of Russia and Ukraine, it’s worth looking a bit more closely to decipher what parts of the story are being left out or sidelined.


 

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The Russian "system" may have changed over time but there has always been powerful institutions there meant to terrorize the populace into obdience. I believe that the word is "Thugocracy".
And the progs, Bernie comes to mind, love the Ruskies.
 

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Liar.
It is the EU farmers with no buyers that are going hungry. At least you are proving the collective has no shame at all about what shit thy post as the truth.
https://www.activistpost.com/2018/11/ukraine-provokes-russia-to-what-end.html
Russia has seized three Ukrainian military vessels violating its territory near Russia’s newly completed Crimean Bridge. The incident is a clear provocation carried out by Kiev and possibly engineered by Kiev’s Western sponsors – particularly those in Washington and London.
Ukrainian military vessels are in fact permitted to pass from the Black Sea into the Sea of Azov provided they notify Russian authorities beforehand. The Sea of Azov – according to a joint agreement signed by Kiev and Moscow in 2003 – is considered internal waters of both Ukraine and Russia.
With the completion of the Crimean Bridge connecting Russian Crimea to the rest of Russian territory across the Strait of Kerch, security measures have understandably increased.
According to Russian state media, Ukrainian military vessels have previously observed agreed upon protocol when transiting the Strait of Kerch with military vessels. For the sake of provocation, they chose not to this time.
TASS would explain in its article titled, “All three Ukrainian Navy vessels that violated Russia’s border detained in Black Sea,” that:
The FSB [Russian Federal Security Service] stressed that Ukraine was aware of the procedure for warships’ passage through Russia’s territorial sea and Kerch-Yenikale Canal. “They have already used that procedure for innocent passage,” it said.
https://www.rt.com/news/444928-martial-law-poroshenko-election-kerch/
Ukraine has declared martial law following a minor skirmish with Russian ships in the Kerch Strait. But why would Kiev take such a dramatic move now, five years after declaring itself at war with Russia?
Western headlines are once again sounding with warnings about “Russian aggression” after Russian ships opened fire on three Ukrainian military vessels attempting to cross the Kerch Strait on Sunday. Moscow says the vessels failed to notify of their intent to cross as required, and even denied having that intent on the night before. The Kerch Strait connects the Black Sea and the Azov Sea and separates Crimea from the Russian mainland.
The incident, which saw the Ukrainian ships detained and some sailors treated for injuries, was quickly framed as Russian aggression by many pundits and prompted vows of support for Ukraine from European Union officials. As always with mainstream Western coverage of Russia and Ukraine, it’s worth looking a bit more closely to decipher what parts of the story are being left out or sidelined.

More Russian propaganda why do I have to educate you at every turn?

Food sanctions hit Russian shoppers' pockets
Russia’s empty shelves won’t just hurt the cheese-eating Moscow crowd
Natalia Antonova

In Russia, Sanctions Change the Food Pantry

MOSCOW — During the past three years, something Russians were used to doing in the 1990s has made a triumphant comeback: the habit of bringing food home from trips abroad.
Shopping for food on vacation outside Russia has become a routine pastime for them since August 2014, when the Kremlin banned import of dairy, produce, fruit, meat, poultry, fish and seafood from the U.S., European Union and several other countries. The ban came in response to sanctions those countries imposed on Russia, which was accused of supporting pro-Russia rebels in eastern Ukraine after Moscow annexed the Ukrainian territory of Crimea.
Authorities at the time maintained that the move would punish the West and boost the country's agricultural sector, spurring it to thrive in the absence of competitors offering less-expensive products.
Three years later, officials insist it did. A closer look, however, presents a more uneven picture. Food production in Russia has increased, but so have prices. Higher prices have led to changed and lowered consumption, and in turn, reduced sales. Inflation has eaten into the promised government support to help food production. And, say consumers and people in the food industry, the overall quality of available food isn't as high as it was prior to the food import ban.
The food embargo came at a bad time for Russia. Oil prices were at a record low, the ruble had plummeted and the country's relationships with Western nations was worsening. The term "isolation" dominated the news here.


So are you ready to join the collective yet?
 

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If we're not going to fight a war over Crimea and if Russia won't release it over mere sanctions, then are we planning on just keeping the sanctions on Russia for the next 70 years or is it time to move on, drop the sanctions, and trade with Russia again? The whole point of the sanctions was to force Russia to release Crimea. It hasn't and it won't unless we put boots on the ground. Given its nuclear capability, we probably won't put boots on the ground. So what is the end game?

Perhaps new war in Ukraine and Russia forces up to attack.