I was pleased when Americans found more difficulty purchasing drugs and medicine from Canada. It only makes sense that if you embrace your "system" and tell the world that 47 million Americans without health care is an acceptable situation...that you continue to purchase your drugs from American pharmaceutical corporations...or die....
What's right about our health-care system
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8O What do/did Campbell, Mulroney, Mike Harris have in common?? Good one Tracy; bang on the money.
I recently had pretty major joint surgery, and from the time I was told I REALLY needed it (actually didn't have to be told), to the time I had it was about 4 months. OUT OF POCKET cost to me.......$0.00. I know I pay high taxes and the health care premium (tax) rankles a tad since McLiar said no more taxes.8O............but........4 months. Come on. I could do 4 months standing on my.......no I couldn't, but you get the point. NOT A SIGNIFICANTLY LONG WAIT. And it didn't cost me my home and lifestyle.
When corporately controlled politicians try to tell us we NEED "parallel" systems, or "pay for play" is the way to go, my BS detector goes on high alert.
But, :roll:, at least we'll still have "Hockey night in Canada", parades, photo-ops, smiling, glad-handing mafioso politicos, a very well controlled media, Arctic sovereignty:lol::lol:,.........all those things which REALLY matter;-). Who the hell even thinks about health care anyway:tard:??
:canada:Yay us.
Good post oldnugly. It is time somebody said exactly what you just have. As I said earlier on this topic, I have recently had open heart surgery, and so did two friends of mine. My brother just had cateract eye surgery. Another acquaintance had joint replacement surgery. There were no excessive waits. Sure, it would be nice if we went to the doctor on Tuesday, and had the surgery on Wednesday morning, but I can certainly live with the waits we had.
True erudition in CC
And why not
may I ask Mikey?
I'm as common as dirt.
Nor terribly erudite though.
And not a terribly good spokesperson though I am trying.........some would say very.
A YEAR in the hosp. Jazus!!! That is a LONG time. Conrad Black probably won't do a year.8O Hope you are better now. Dunno what that would have cost in US. Hope I never have to find out.
I left after 4 days. Food was good, nurses were pretty, care was wonderful. I just felt that if I was going to limp and be constipated, I could do that at home, and maybe someone else could use the bed.
The guy next to me (see what you started!!) kept screamin for the nurse and when she arrived, he couldn't remember why he had called her.......................seemed like 4 YEARS!!:angry3:
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And why not
may I ask Mikey? I'm as common as dirt.
Nor terribly erudite though.
And not a terribly good spokesperson though I am trying.........some would say very.
A YEAR in the hosp. Jazus!!! That is a LONG time. Conrad Black probably won't do a year.8O Hope you are better now. Dunno what that would have cost in US. Hope I never have to find out.
I left after 4 days. Food was good, nurses were pretty, care was wonderful. I just felt that if I was going to limp and be constipated, I could do that at home, and maybe someone else could use the bed.
The guy next to me (see what you started!!
) kept screamin for the nurse and when she arrived, he couldn't remember why he had called her.......................seemed like 4 YEARS!!:angry3::canada:
The guy next to me (see what you started!!
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WAY TOO FUNNY....but argh scary as hell..Me mum's sister is being tested for Alzhiemers/dementia/dunno....it's got to be the worse....
This whole limp dick thing isn't all my wife says it's cracked up to be...i think me wife is just bored...any ideas why we should spring for viagra...60 buckos for 4 pills
yeah but are those hmo's the same quality of care as up here..not really up on this stuff ceptin for when er is on telly...and thats heard from another room...er=docdred internet time is a nag free zone
Excellent Triedit!
When a government stands behind its policies and promises to the people who've given them their power and authority, good things can happen.
When a government stands behind pharmaceutical corporations and makes healthcare and medical assistance a "business"....well things can go awry....
When a government stands behind its policies and promises to the people who've given them their power and authority, good things can happen.
When a government stands behind pharmaceutical corporations and makes healthcare and medical assistance a "business"....well things can go awry....
When you were living in a particular state, not "the states" It sure as hell wouldn't have cost nothing in all states. I know, this is semantics but all states aren't as good as the one you were living in.
The inherent problem in this whole thread is that we're trying to compare two systems that are vastly different and forgetting about the individual patients.
For the very poor in the US, healthcare is free, funded by the government. In that specific case, the US wins because the healthcare is top notch and readily available and at no cost, even large taxes and surcharges.
For the very rich in either country, cost is no issue and accessibility can be worked around because of money. Money buys accessibility. I don't think there's any arguement about that.
So what we have to look at is the middle class, if we must compare. The average middle class family will spend $400 a month on health care coverage. Add to that some deductibles and the drug copay and you're looking at maybe, MAYBE, $600 a month or $7200 a year.
Same family in Ontario pays $600 a year right off the top for health care. Lets say they make $60K in income so they pay about 4% of thier income toward healthcare via taxes....that's a random number but considering a 30% tax base it seems reasonable. That's about $2400 a year so we're at $3000 already. Then for dental and top up insurance to keep them out of wards and help pay for eyes they've got a work plan that costs another $200 a month. Total now is $5400. Dad's on cholesterol meds and mom's got depression, add another $50 a month for drugs. Looking at $6000. Son needs glasses and daughter needs braces....top up insurance only covers part....at least another thousand.
Is that 4 months worth of pain and waiting worth saving $200 a year?
For the very poor in the US, healthcare is free, funded by the government. In that specific case, the US wins because the healthcare is top notch and readily available and at no cost, even large taxes and surcharges.
For the very rich in either country, cost is no issue and accessibility can be worked around because of money. Money buys accessibility. I don't think there's any arguement about that.
So what we have to look at is the middle class, if we must compare. The average middle class family will spend $400 a month on health care coverage. Add to that some deductibles and the drug copay and you're looking at maybe, MAYBE, $600 a month or $7200 a year.
Same family in Ontario pays $600 a year right off the top for health care. Lets say they make $60K in income so they pay about 4% of thier income toward healthcare via taxes....that's a random number but considering a 30% tax base it seems reasonable. That's about $2400 a year so we're at $3000 already. Then for dental and top up insurance to keep them out of wards and help pay for eyes they've got a work plan that costs another $200 a month. Total now is $5400. Dad's on cholesterol meds and mom's got depression, add another $50 a month for drugs. Looking at $6000. Son needs glasses and daughter needs braces....top up insurance only covers part....at least another thousand.
Is that 4 months worth of pain and waiting worth saving $200 a year?
And not all towns are as "good" as the one YOU get care in. That's my point. Its apples and oranges.
I don't know where it takes four months for cholesterol medicine or anti-depressants, or to see a Psychiatrist, or to get braces or even glasses. It certainly doesn't take that long in Nova Scotia. The longest I've ever had to wait was one weekend in the hospital for an Orthopedic surgeon. I've been through our healthcare system quite extensively since the day I was born, and the only thing I can complain about is the lack of GP's.
Perhaps not those things. But someone previously waited 4 months for surgery, and we're waiting three years for a specialist for our son.
I'm only commenting on this part. If you've gone into greater detail and I missed pls direct.
I live in Ontario and had to do the same with my daughter, but didn't have to wait more than a month . I wanted to take her myself, so it was difficult to schedule an appointment around my working hours (home childcare provider) so it took a little longer. Why three yrs? What explaination were you given. couldn't you go to another borogh in the GTA to have the assessment done?
With my daughter, it turned out to be hearing realted, thankfully.
We've got referrals from both our GP and our Pediatrician to see which goes faster. GP's office says there's a three year wait. Pediatrician still hasnt been able to get us on even a waiting list, and he's a teacher for UT and on staff at most hospitals. I don't know why the delay, I assume it's either space or funding. Im at home so there's no scheduling issue on our end. We've already got an occupational therapist, but he needs a full assessment.
What it costs and what they actually pay are two different things. My gallbladder surgery costs over 20K. I only had to pay my deductible ($3500) and just recently got a $500 bill for the "outpatient fee". I knew I needed the surgery in January last year and had it done that April.
A year in the hospital would depend on what type of care you were receiving. I know one of our NICU kids goes through about 2 million in 6 months, but we're more expensive than most areas. Of course the families will never pay that amount. Private insurance usually caps out at around one million, then the hospital eats the rest.