What would your reaction be?

[Impetus]

I love the responses here from people - I hope Karrie does too.... You people are kind and good.

I forgot to post one more sentence in my own response: Predators/Pedophiles (or all their other names according to gender/age group of preference) .... can be either male or female.

I know that for a fact. I had one living next door to me until last August.
The police weren't interested when I complained that she was providing alcohol to minors (including my daughter). There was an incident with one of my daughter's girlfriends and she (the psycho) mysteriously ended up pregnant sometime after a young boy was found passed out in the park after a night at her place.

Point is, had it been a man doing it the police have been all over him like flies on ****.

My response would have been the same either way. I went to her door and told her "if you say one word of hello to my daughter I won't go the the police next time. You'll deal with me."

That seemed to work...good riddance!

Muz

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kreskin
What if she said she was a pedophile?

Do you mean the expectant mother?

yeah! lets go there.



so far in this thread i'm with curio that it can't be cured.
I don't want to see this guy around...if it was me he confided in, i prolly would just beat him up....and worry later....


We can't cure these people...sooo we need to put them in prison in the open...make like this huge governmetn capmpaign so everyone will know....because of our namy pamby society when it comes to this chit and the present state of imprisoning these fukcers away from the general populace and lumping them all together with other sex offenders...we should.
1) warn the public of a change in the rules.
2) pedophiles be warned , keep those urges in check for you will be tossed in with the hardcore crimials for the duration of your sentence.
3)go fukc yerself
4)all sex offenders for that matter


we go way too light on these people....if they knew the consequences was going to be more than whiling yer time away with psyche talks, we would have less on the street.....
those that would survive the new in your face prison system would have an incentive to not do this anymore......

the present state of affairs is an A S S

 

[karrie]

I know that for a fact. I had one living next door to me until last August.
The police weren't interested when I complained that she was providing alcohol to minors (including my daughter). There was an incident with one of my daughter's girlfriends and she (the psycho) mysteriously ended up pregnant sometime after a young boy was found passed out in the park after a night at her place.

Point is, had it been a man doing it the police have been all over him like flies on ****.

My response would have been the same either way. I went to her door and told her "if you say one word of hello to my daughter I won't go the the police next time. You'll deal with me."

That seemed to work...good riddance!

Muz

Yeah, people typically ignore female predation because we don't want to shatter our tidy little view of the world, where women are virtuous, and men are dangerous.

 

[karrie]

so far in this thread i'm with curio that it can't be cured.
I don't want to see this guy around...if it was me he confided in, i prolly would just beat him up....and worry later....


we go way too light on these people....if they knew the consequences was going to be more than whiling yer time away with psyche talks, we would have less on the street.....
those that would survive the new in your face prison system would have an incentive to not do this anymore......

Okay, but, as others have pointed out, this man hasn't actually committed a crime.

So, if we declare absolute war on any man who has a pedophilic thought, then rather than seeking counselling, and being honest enough to say "no, I can't be around children alone", instead, we've created a scenario where these men have to hide their issue, and risk being put in a situation where they can hurt a child.

So, in order to deal with them we have to first have a child molested.

Is that really a better way to deal with it?

 

[triedit]

I would simply not associate with him when my child was present. In a work environment that's easy enough.

I don't think you should be able to persecute or prosecute based on thoughts. If that were the case a whole lot of us would be in jail for one thing or another.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

I would simply not associate with him when my child was present. In a work environment that's easy enough.

I don't think you should be able to persecute or prosecute based on thoughts. If that were the case a whole lot of us would be in jail for one thing or another.

yeah well me and you doing time for extra marital affairs is a far cry from this......(need the lol right now tri)

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Okay, but, as others have pointed out, this man hasn't actually committed a crime.

So, if we declare absolute war on any man who has a pedophilic thought, then rather than seeking counselling, and being honest enough to say "no, I can't be around children alone", instead, we've created a scenario where these men have to hide their issue, and risk being put in a situation where they can hurt a child.

So, in order to deal with them we have to first have a child molested.

Is that really a better way to deal with it?

yeah well he would have told thwe wrong person....maybe a beating on the him would help him to carve into his brain it's totally wrong...

Whats wrong with my approach to these pricks....the whole government changing the prison where you go rules.....your a psyche student karrie...with all due respect none of you people have dome us any good on this matter.....in fact prolly done more harm than good .....no ....fukc it ....THE ONLY THING THESE PRICKS ARE GOING TO REACT TO IS PUNISHMENT OF THE PHYSICAL KIND.....let them live in fear like their victims do.....
it's gotta be done karrie.....no psyche in the world has stopped the flow.....

 

[regis]

I have prostate cancer et i take drugs (castration chimique) because prostate cancer is an hormono-dependent cancer and the cancer will take advantage of the circulation of hormones if i don't.
I'm not pedophile but i believe these drugs can stop sexuality you can have accepted by society or not.
There is here a psy that publically (on radio ) recommend these drugs for pedophiles.

This man act the better he can and he is not at the end of his problem, he surely deserve our help. How many of us will give up their sexuality, if this sexuality can harm others without trying to compromise ? Not so easy.

 

[karrie]

yeah well he would have told thwe wrong person....maybe a beating on the him would help him to carve into his brain it's totally wrong...

Whats wrong with my approach to these pricks....the whole government changing the prison where you go rules.....your a psyche student karrie...with all due respect none of you people have dome us any good on this matter.....in fact prolly done more harm than good .....no ....fukc it ....THE ONLY THING THESE PRICKS ARE GOING TO REACT TO IS PUNISHMENT OF THE PHYSICAL KIND.....let them live in fear like their victims do.....
it's gotta be done karrie.....no psyche in the world has stopped the flow.

But this man knows it's wrong, otherwise he wouldn't be talking about it, seeking counseling, and making sure he's not around kids... right? Do you think you could make him think it was any more wrong? He obviously thinks it is, and is trying to find ways to deal with it.

And don't lump me in with people who think convicted criminals should be gone lightly on. I don't agree with the laws as they currently deal with child molestors. Trying to pin my opinion down based on my field of study is more than a bit flawed. I have nothing but contempt for child molestors. You'll never catch me trying to counsel or reform any adult who's molested a child.

 

[Curiosity]

They have injections now - but that cease to work after a time.... and the perp has to want to get the injections.

In a more understanding world, we could recognize the disabling illness for what it is - mental illness has its quirks too but we try to understand and provide and prevent those victims from harming themselves or others.

..in an more understanding world, if a person feels they are becoming are have arrived at that stage, they should be able to check in for counseling and living arrangements just as a rehabilitation clinic until the degree of their abnormal thoughts and acts if they have already been tried..... to determine how to remedy the situation to prevent any attacks upon children.

Perhaps a large living community, known for its work, accepted by the community, (actually a community should be grateful someone is keeping a watch over these people).... we may get somewhere both in science and experimentation, and assistance to those.

Nobody is born deciding to becomg a sexual predator....it develops into an abnormal situation just as mental illness does.... we see young males of seventeen becoming schizophrenics very often.... they are usually bright, withdrawn, socially inactive with their peer groups of both genders....and most people familiar with the presenting illness can see it flourishing....

... why not this attitude towards predators. Not acceptance but offers immediately of assistance to perhaps change the situation.... relieve the urges..... give a respite from the stress obviously generated which adds to the need to obtain relief.....

This is just a vague and general outline... but a good community of people could accomplish this.... as we have done so many other things as a group for the victims of all kinds of physical illness and disabilities and many mental ones too.

I think often of the people who cannot hear and how they have been accepted, diagnosed, helped, have their own communities and standards and yet are able to function among us with as little derision as possible - when once they were condemned to the madhouses for their gibberish....

More stories about the mentally disabled - retarded, Down Syndrome people - all kinds of help there towards living as normal a life as they should be allowed to have.

Once recognized as an illness - even some day a curable one or at least a 'managed one'.... we may wipe out this from a condition of hating these bastards.....to giving them lives rather than leaving them to ruin so many little lives in their terrible existence.

 

[lone wolf]

Diddler deserves no better than what his/her victim got: a lifetime of self-tortured anguish. My instinctive reaction to someone saying they're a pedophile is to want to puke. There's my confusion. The problem with clinical terminology versus common use of a word is the misunderstandings that are created. Until today, I understood a pedophile to be someone who has already proven him/herself to be just a low-life child molestor, and someone who thinks about sex with a kid - JUST thinks about it - is a sick-thinking ba**ard who better give me some distance while they're on their way to some very effective therapy.

I pray that I don't issue judgement now on someone who is just crying "help!"

Wolf

 

[Anachronism]

This reminds me of hearing a woman on a radio talk show who heard of a man charged with animal cruelty, for beating his pet dog. She said "They shoot take him out and shoot him."
Anyway, my logic behind why the death penalty is stupid aside, pedophilia (not acting on it, but just the feelings) cannot be helped by the pedophile. As the man in the story said, he knows it's wrong but there's nothing he can do besides counseling and not touching children. So how does he deserve death, or arrest at all for that matter, if being a pedophile isn't even his fault?
If you arrest a pedophile simply for being a pedophile, and not touching children or anything, then it would be because it was illegal. And in order for a person to be arrested, he has to be guilty of something. And he's not guilty, because he consciously had nothing to do with his pedophilia. So even if pedophilia in and of itself were a crime, no one could possibly be charged with it.
If a pedophile is consciously responsible for being a pedophile, then homosexuals are consciously responsible for choosing to become homosexual, which is not true.
Ergo, pedophiles who do not act on their thoughts are not guilty of anything and deserve no punishment.
Saying that pedophiles cannot be 'cured' is exactly like saying that homosexuals cannot be 'cured'. And while I can't argue with you there, Curiosity, I will say that there've been life coaches, etc., who can be hired to try to cure homosexuality, and it's had a history of "working", although whether or not it's true and not just a psychological trick is anyone's guess.
It's not even the pedophilia that really needs to be cured, but rather the pedophile should have the capability of not acting on his impulses. As we've seen in the first post, pedophiles who do not act on their impulses can be functional members of society. I don't see the point in frowning down upon them in this case.

 

[MikeyDB]

I hope I've been fairly lucid or at least reasonably cogent in trying to discuss issues with people here at CC....

I have reduced cognitive skills because of my brain injury. I can't sequence numbers and my short term memory sucks....

And I'm old.

I suppose one more strike and I'm out!

I can't help but feel that if we have substantial evidence that a condition can be treated (that's out for old age of course)...we should exhaust every reasonable effort to help people with their difficulties.

I also believe that we can apply this "logic" or this "altruism" to the pedophile as well. The only caveat I'd make is that the individual must have the desire and committment to change. Othrewise we're wasting our time and efforts.

I'm not the person I was fifty or sixty years ago and there's no going back, but I was willing to try. I spent a year in occupational and physical therapy to get to where I am now....

I'm braind damaged and that shows, but that doesn't mean I'm incapable of making the effort to participate in life...that's all I'd ask of the pedophile...

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

But this man knows it's wrong, otherwise he wouldn't be talking about it, seeking counseling, and making sure he's not around kids... right? Do you think you could make him think it was any more wrong? He obviously thinks it is, and is trying to find ways to deal with it.

And don't lump me in with people who think convicted criminals should be gone lightly on. I don't agree with the laws as they currently deal with child molestors. Trying to pin my opinion down based on my field of study is more than a bit flawed. I have nothing but contempt for child molestors. You'll never catch me trying to counsel or reform any adult who's molested a child.

i'm sorry karrie..
I publically apologise for any bad reflections towards psychologists as well ....they are not the problem but part of the solution.....

It's the bleeding hearts i want to actually vent my rage at.....

I'm glad you posted off me Karrie.....sorry if i painted you in bad light or lumped you with anyone.....
please forgive me......

this subject is hard on me is all......

d

 

[karrie]

i'm sorry karrie..
I publically apologise for any bad reflections towards psychologists as well ....they are not the problem but part of the solution.....

It's the bleeding hearts i want to actually vent my rage at.....

I'm glad you posted off me Karrie.....sorry if i painted you in bad light or lumped you with anyone.....
please forgive me......

this subject is hard on me is all......

d

The issue was definitely one I hesitated to bring up here. It's usually hard on at least one member, if not more, because so many have been injured at the hands of a molestor. I didn't take it very personally that you're angry about the issue.

What I saw when this situation was raised to me though, despite my initial disgust, was a chance to possibly, maybe, start changing the way society allows the cycle to continue.

I need to be adamantly clear though... compassion and counseling for a pedophile is not the same thing as compassion and counseling for an actual molestor. While I can see one way being a good way to go, the other, well, just fills me with anger. I've seen too many repeat offenders in my day. I've seen families torn apart because of their inability to go back once they've opened that door. The way the system currently operates in dealing with them is not sufficient. I've seen a man who molested his own daughter, and a Down's Syndrome patient that worked at his office, be given a warning by the courts and allowed to continue a life of freedom. He can't see his children unattended, and thus has to hire a social worker to supervise visits. That's the extent of his punishment. It infuriates me.

 

[Pangloss]

The thing to keep in mind is the paedophile had done nothing. He has bad thoughts, and that's all. Accede to his wishes and stay out of his hair.

What is so difficult about that?

On the "they shoot horses" line of reasoning - you would murder people for their thoughts? I suggest that impulse - right here and right now - makes you the bigger and more fearful monster.

Why would someone tell another they have sexual urges towards children but never acted on them? This thought experiment describes an idiot, nothing more.

Pangloss

 

[karrie]

Why would someone tell another they have sexual urges towards children but never acted on them? This thought experiment describes an idiot, nothing more.

Pangloss

Why would it be idiotic to be up front about it? It would help, to ensure that those around you know, would it not? Like knowing which of your friends are alcoholics and shouldn't have a glass of wine waiting at their seat at dinner. To have a community be aware that, despite your desire to not act on it, you should not be left alone with children, would help to ensure your goal is met.

 

[Pangloss]

That would be true, Karrie, if the general public were smart, which we aren't. Individuals are oftentimes brilliant, but groups tend to sink to the level of the stupidest, most opinionated and most scared.

So you tell person "A" and they tell person "B" - now B says that not only are you feeling sexual urges towards children, but you have satisfied yourself with the janitor's retarded daughter. Now you're up on charges and it doesn't matter that there's no physical evidence. You're now on the news, out of a job, homeless and shunned by your family and friends.

It gets worse from there, and pretty soon the pitchforks and boiling oil are at the ready.

You would have a really hard time convincing me that isn't a real possibility.

Is this hypothetical paedophile a smart woman or man? Then they keep their mouth shut at work, and go see a therapist.

How do they explain their (behavioural) repulsion to children? Simple - they hate the little sandwich-grabbing yard apes. Can't stand 'em. Say that every friend who has had a kid turns into a "ain't my kid the best ever" drooling idiot and pretty soon they aren't your friend any more.

Much safer and more pragmatic.

Pangloss

 

[karrie]

....but you have satisfied yourself with the janitor's retarded daughter...

Pangloss

What ever possessed you to use THAT as an example? I never mentioned that specifically, I simply mentioned a down's syndrome girl who worked at an office in a past post, yet you come up with 'the janitor's daughter' (which she was BTW). do you have ANY clue how creepy that is?

 

[Pangloss]

Whatever. I just used an example that came to mind - assaulting a CEO's child would lead to swift action from cops and prosecutors; attack a working stiff or their kids, and maybe nobody cares.

Made a better thought experiment.

Anyway - to the substance of my post - your response?

Pangloss