What would Jesus think ?

Motar

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What does that have to do with the book of Revelation and what we were discussing Motar?

The prostitute of Revelation 17 represents false religion in contrast to the bride of Christ in Revelation 21 who epitomizes true faith.
 

darkbeaver

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Gee, I dunno especially since you say,


"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it - even if I said it - unless your own reason and your own common sense agree."
~ Buddha



Yes that's about it ain't it?

 

Motar

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Prostitute is a good word. Selling out God for cash. Been that way for a quite some time especially with the advent of Television.

False religion like the prostitute described in Revelation 17 is outwardly appealing but inwardly appalling.
 

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. . . and then enter the grave like everybody before you. Perhaps it is only in hindsight that we can see who the common enemy is. If the grave is like the blink of an eye why are we so determined not to enter that place, . . . . or so the story goes. The reality is that a high percentage of the children that die of hunger are quite relieved to enter the grave rather than there being any ability to put up much of a fight at that stage of the game. The crying out in hunger was a long time before death happened. I wonder if their resurrection into the same 'living soul' is a reflection of how you enter the grave, quietly in the night or with much noise during the day.

If we find teleporting a desirable thing then entering the grave and coming out of the same grave into the same person is not that much different. What is different is the resurrection is a group event with two distinctly different events marking when that begins to be possible and when that possibility become unavailable. Going into the grave seems to infinite number of variables that a person can take to get there.

Granted the ones that are in the grave at the start of the first resurrection will be the ones to talk to if you want to know if the grave should be avoided if possible as the next event is the new earth and in that place if a person dies while being a sinner they are sent to the lake of fire awake rather than being put to sleep for a moment.
That is why God takes some extra steps to make sure nobody can be judged to be a sinner in the first place. His place, His rules, I suggest we let Him have His way on this one. This earth is a seed bed for the start of life in the perfected earth, men with dominion and knowing about good and evil at the same time, what keeps us from being equal to God is we are gust beginning to lean about those abilities while God has them perfected before He ever spoke the words in Ge:1. That doesn't mean we wont get to speak some similar words once we have perfected dominion and knowledge about what is good and what is evil. (how long that takes is said to be eternity)
 

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The grave, for me it's smiles, I'am finally dead , that's where the action is, Your dead,has life prepared you for the rest? Probably not, it's easyjustn be yourself.

Who among us can be dead first?
 

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False religion like the prostitute described in Revelation 17 is outwardly appealing but inwardly appalling.
The red dragon follows a different set of rules, those are the rules that were being broken in Ge:6 when God judged the world to be in sin. Those are the same rules that will apply to men who know about good and evil when the new earth starts.

Re:17:3:
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness:
and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
full of names of blasphemy,
having seven heads and ten horns.



Re:17:4:
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour,
and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls,
having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Satan is the red dragon and he has broken all the sins listed in Re:21. The 7 sins listed are the objects of Satan's 'speeches' as broadcasting those thoughts (head) to an audience (horns as they repeat and act on those speeches). The Beast gives 10 men Kingdoms and those 10 kingdoms would repeat the 'thoughts' of the dragon and the Beast

Liars belong to all 7 topics, the colors the harlot aligns with the temple colors from the tabernacle introduced by Moses, the harlot would represent the leadership that had control when God exiled them to Babylon. The harlot would also be the king's daughter from Da:11 so a bit more information is available. The widow part means to be part of the Exe:37 group a resurrection is in order as it goes back as far as Abraham's children as far as who is included for the 12 Tribes, the Church dating back to 35AD is also included in the resurrection that happens on the first day of the 1,000 year reign. The living is 144,000 for the 12 Tribes and 1/3 of living Gentiles on the planet for the Church.

Re:21:8:
But the fearful,
and unbelieving,
and the abominable,
and murderers,
and *****mongers,
and sorcerers,
and idolaters,
and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death.

The grave, for me it's smiles, I'am finally dead , that's where the action is, Your dead,has life prepared you for the rest? Probably not, it's easyjustn be yourself.

Who among us can be dead first?
Job:14 kind of puts Job as not being too concerned about going there or about how long he might be there. Growing old helps prepare a person, as do long term ailments. Lost teeth, poor eyesight and poor health are all covered in this one verse. The passage is about growing old and how the grave looks from that perspective.

Ec:12:3:
In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble,
and the strong men shall bow themselves,
and the grinders cease because they are few,
and those that look out of the windows be darkened,
 

darkbeaver

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Anything that alters this 'fact'

1Co:15:32:
If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus,
what advantageth it me,
if the dead rise not?
let us eat and drink;
for to morrow we die.

1Co:15:15:
Yea,
and we are found false witnesses of God;
because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ:
whom he raised not up,
if so be that the dead rise not.
1Co:15:16:
For if the dead rise not,
then is not Christ raised:
1Co:15:17:
And if Christ be not raised,
your faith is vain;
ye are yet in your sins.
The dead have no other option but to rise, we will witness at least, we will crush, that is likely, all who oppose fairn andm just will perish,
 

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What will be more 'exciting', the first 40 days of immortality or the first 1,000 years?
The firstnsecond cancelsd tyhe rtfest/ I've been here for a long time whhat about you.

Sleep, because I AMUST. BWE QUITE I'm sleeping, fuk of I ;'M TIRED
 

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False religion like the prostitute described in Revelation 17 is outwardly appealing but inwardly appalling.

In Revelation 17, false religion aligns herself with the global antichristian system until she exceeds her usefulness and her cohort eliminates her.
 

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The firstnsecond cancelsd tyhe rtfest/ I've been here for a long time whhat about you.

Sleep, because I AMUST. BWE QUITE I'm sleeping, fuk of I ;'M TIRED
That is the time to be most alert for 'changes in the weather', 'we' have the ability to rule ourselves in a manner that is just short of perfection, it just hasn't been in style in recent memory. Some things we can overcome 'easily' and some things we never will no matter how much effort we throw at it. On the individual level change can take over at any moment, on a national level it is based on the comings and going of it's leaders. We should keep the good ones longer and get rid of the harmful ones earlier.
Having some popcorn is an easier task than setting up the dominoes just to make them fall. I had already decided that life could be a waste of time and skin before I was even 20. A spark of laughter here and there doesn't change that, still, without the many decades of breathing after that age it either verifies that view or it disputes it and that knowledge only comes as hindsight after you have put in a certain number of hours.

Tired is a natural part of aging, there is nothing wrong with your 'set'. It is tidbits like that that make the grave less scary the closer you get to it. The men that get the worst view of life possible are the ones standing on the beach of the lake of fire, the telling of that event probably isn't boring yet that is not a good enough reason to want to witness that rather than having other events to report on as far as what is possible when God is in control. The fewer headlines when men are in control the better as it means things are going wrong at the slowest possible rate.


 

Motar

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I can see your point in Rev . Motar. I don't recognize the other as anything other than an opinion of someone.

Everyone worships (ascribes ultimate worth to) something or someone, LL. If not the Creator, then a creation becomes the object of our devotion.
 

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Everyone worships (ascribes ultimate worth to) something or someone, LL. If not the Creator, then a creation becomes the object of our devotion.
I don't necessarily agree with that Motar. But then there are a lot of things I don't agree with spoken by this person. I prefer what Jesus is said to have spoken.
 

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Joh:12:42:
Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him;
but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him,
lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
 

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Joh:12:42:
Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him;
but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him,
lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
I find myself wondering why people would post verses from a collection of books that not everyone believes in. What is the point? Have you an opinion of your own or does every topic have to be validated by your idol?
 

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I find myself wondering why people would post verses from a collection of books that not everyone believes in. What is the point? Have you an opinion of your own or does every topic have to be validated by your idol?

"Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him. He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: 'The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.' Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. He began by saying to them, 'Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing." (Luke 2:14-21 NIV)

In this account, LL, Jesus publically endorses/identifies with the writings of the prophet Isaiah.
 

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I find myself wondering why people would post verses from a collection of books that not everyone believes in. What is the point? Have you an opinion of your own or does every topic have to be validated by your idol?
In my case it supplies what I'm using for a reference and hopefully that shows I'm taking the verse in the context it was meant to be taken. Another aspect is that it eventually shows that your premise that it is a loose collection of unrelated texts is in question at best and flat out wrong at worst. How can I have an opinion of my own when the book supplies that so the best I can do is recognize what should be connected and what shouldn't be? Your argument could be replied to in a few posts of the longer variety, but why bother when you balk at the posts when just one verse and thought is presented. If my argument that the book has one author was shown so that conclusion was 'the best choice' what would it do to your world view as my can live with it quite comfortably.