What would it take?
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bluealberta said:
Hey stupid, where did the 'k' come from, your mind? That number was very obviously PER HOUR. I know exactly what salaries are in Fort Mac, and once you pay for rent, and drinking (because there's not much else to do up there) you really don't make much of a profit by working there. There are MANY places that one can work in Alberta (I'll just list a few of the places by me: Hinton, Edson, Grand Prairie, Grand Cache, Fox Creek, Whitecourt, Valleyview) where you can make the EXACT same wages being paid in Fort Mac without the ridiculous cost of living. You check your stuff out.
Re: RE: What would it take?
The point is, Jay, is that there is no choice for these farmers, where there is a choice in Eastern Canada. And if you follow what Blair said, it is socialism, plain and simple.
Anyone who agrees with this is against freedom of choice for farmers who wish to market their own products in a free and open market society. Re-read the post on the website, it gets fairly specific.
And on a personal note, having been brought up on a farm, and really wishing I could have stayed on the farm, it is true that bigger is better. But it is inescapable. Just as a hundred years ago 40 acres (hence the term "the back 40" was good enough to make a decent living, to the mid 50's and 60's when 800 acres (size of our farm) was big enough to make a good living, now you have to have at least 3,000 - 5,000 acres to make a good living. It is the way things go. You can either adapt, or live in the past and wish for the good old days. Of course, the good old days were not so good, when you really think back on it. Farming is done on a volume basis now, and improvements in chemicals and fertilizers have totally changed the way farming is done.
Anway, regarding the Wheat Board, it takes away choices. Anything that does that is wrong. Freedom of choice is so important, something that we have forgotten in Canada.
Reverend Blair said:
The point is, Jay, is that there is no choice for these farmers, where there is a choice in Eastern Canada. And if you follow what Blair said, it is socialism, plain and simple.
Anyone who agrees with this is against freedom of choice for farmers who wish to market their own products in a free and open market society. Re-read the post on the website, it gets fairly specific.
And on a personal note, having been brought up on a farm, and really wishing I could have stayed on the farm, it is true that bigger is better. But it is inescapable. Just as a hundred years ago 40 acres (hence the term "the back 40" was good enough to make a decent living, to the mid 50's and 60's when 800 acres (size of our farm) was big enough to make a good living, now you have to have at least 3,000 - 5,000 acres to make a good living. It is the way things go. You can either adapt, or live in the past and wish for the good old days. Of course, the good old days were not so good, when you really think back on it. Farming is done on a volume basis now, and improvements in chemicals and fertilizers have totally changed the way farming is done.
Anway, regarding the Wheat Board, it takes away choices. Anything that does that is wrong. Freedom of choice is so important, something that we have forgotten in Canada.
Ah, take, if you want people to understand you, be clear. $30 per HOUR in Fort mac is low. You check it out.AirIntake said:
I come from farmland places too. In Ontario there is no shortage of farms, but there are very few large farms. I suppose the farming is different, and we have more options, but I don't think Ontario would stand for having no choice in the market place.
Jay said:
They can opt out, Jay. There are many profitable crops that are not covered by the Wheat Board. Farmers are not forced to grow wheat.
jay said:
Which is something they decided a long time ago, just as western farmers decided they wanted the Wheat Board. The small farm sizes in Ontario, along with your climate, mean that cereal grains are not such a major crop there.
It depends where you are. The northern parts of the provinces tend towards canola a lot because it likes hot days and cool nights. Field peas are big. Canary seed is pretty popular. There's a fair bit of corn here in Manitoba, but that's not so popular in Saskatchewan and Alberta. Potatoes are good...they do well even in out heavy soil. Hay (high quality alph alpha) is generally in demand. There's no shortage of choices.
30 k in Fort McMurray? Try over a 100 K to start. Most Newfie lads come out and share 6 to an apartment. They're hard workersand save enough in two years to drive back to the rock in a new pick up and build a new house. Most, however, end back in Alberta once they get the homesickness out of their system.
The cost of living, especially because of low taxes, is lower in most of Alberta than most of Canada. I still don't know why I can buy a 12 pack of beer at the local OK liquor store for 9.95 (includes GST and 1.20 bottle deposit) but couldn't find a 12 pack for less than $13 just across the border in Golden, BC. Maybe it's cheaper in Vancouver.
We'd 'like' to move to our house in Creston, B.C. but property tax, PST and provincial income tax would cost us just over 12 thousand more a year. Renting out the house barely pays for the crazy property taxes...4,000/year in Creston, BC!!! Our house in Calgary is worth about 3 times as much and we pay 1,800.
The cost of living, especially because of low taxes, is lower in most of Alberta than most of Canada. I still don't know why I can buy a 12 pack of beer at the local OK liquor store for 9.95 (includes GST and 1.20 bottle deposit) but couldn't find a 12 pack for less than $13 just across the border in Golden, BC. Maybe it's cheaper in Vancouver.
We'd 'like' to move to our house in Creston, B.C. but property tax, PST and provincial income tax would cost us just over 12 thousand more a year. Renting out the house barely pays for the crazy property taxes...4,000/year in Creston, BC!!! Our house in Calgary is worth about 3 times as much and we pay 1,800.
If there was a market for it, it would be huge. As long as the US oil and cotton lobbies keep it out of the US that market can't be developed.
In southern Alberta, Jay, the crops are primarily spring wheat and barley, with canola in there as well. There are speciaty crops like peas, etc.
And while at one time the Wheat Board may have been a good deal for western farmers, primarily due to the way and where grain was shipped, things evolve and change. Why not allow choices like eastern Canadian farmers have? How is that wrong? And what other group of producers would allow it? Would Ontario automobile producers stand by and allow the Canadian Auto board to solely market their products? Just as eastern Canadian farmes do not, neither would the auto producers. Why is it so hard to allow western farmers the choice? Is it not their right to market their own products as they best see fit, with the consequences that follow? Sorry, no argument can be made against this premise, especially when other areas of the country enjoy these advantages.
Blair, if this is such a good deal, why do not the Ontario farmers demand this, instead of their present system? Seems to me that if the Wheat Board is such a great deal for Western farmers, others in other areas of the country should be demanding this as their equal right. Sometimes silence is deafening.
And while at one time the Wheat Board may have been a good deal for western farmers, primarily due to the way and where grain was shipped, things evolve and change. Why not allow choices like eastern Canadian farmers have? How is that wrong? And what other group of producers would allow it? Would Ontario automobile producers stand by and allow the Canadian Auto board to solely market their products? Just as eastern Canadian farmes do not, neither would the auto producers. Why is it so hard to allow western farmers the choice? Is it not their right to market their own products as they best see fit, with the consequences that follow? Sorry, no argument can be made against this premise, especially when other areas of the country enjoy these advantages.
Blair, if this is such a good deal, why do not the Ontario farmers demand this, instead of their present system? Seems to me that if the Wheat Board is such a great deal for Western farmers, others in other areas of the country should be demanding this as their equal right. Sometimes silence is deafening.
mrmom2 said:In BC the main crop is dope hands down Jay
Well, THAT explains a lot :wink: :wink:
It does Blue :? Hows that ya think I'm in the biz or something 8O If you've been paying attention you might know the truth