Re: RE: What would it take?
....or to mention all the people who move to Alberta to get away from Canada.
Reverend Blair said:
....or to mention all the people who move to Alberta to get away from Canada.
What would it take?
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mrmom2 said:
Alberta will buy it and put the Alberta military in there. See? Problem solved.
You have a point about job loss in Redmonton, though. Wait, all the leftists move out of Edmonton? Happy days, that is a good thing. Thanks for another benefit!!! 8)
I'm an Albertan and don't give a horse's ass about Canada Day. That's the day the Feds in Ontario try to bribe us with our own money. A 'more' sovereign Alberta hopefully won't be based on silly sentiment.
Wave the flag; rah, rah, rah.
Wave the flag; rah, rah, rah.
Re: RE: What would it take?
Alberta is the only province in which most of the new immigration is from other parts of Canada. Other provinces only have population gain because of immigration from other countries. B.C. 'used to' be like Alberta but is no longer the destination (for whatever reason) for Easterners like it used to be.
Reverend Blair said:
Alberta is the only province in which most of the new immigration is from other parts of Canada. Other provinces only have population gain because of immigration from other countries. B.C. 'used to' be like Alberta but is no longer the destination (for whatever reason) for Easterners like it used to be.
That used to be true but no more Strato .Were a net importer now brother .Come here in the summer and its a sea of Albertans :x I wonder why 
mrmom2 said:That used to be true but no more Strato .Were a net importer now brother .Come here in the summer and its a sea of Albertans :x I wonder why
We go to Kamloops for vacation. We need you to make our beds and serve our meals. Drive around any construction site or the oilpatch in Alberta and up to a third of the license plate are from B.C.
mrmom2 said:That used to be true but no more Strato .Were a net importer now brother .Come here in the summer and its a sea of Albertans :x I wonder why
They are visiting to see if they want to take BC along with them :wink:
For any of you looking for jobs in Alberta:
http://www.jobbank.gc.ca/Search_en.asp
Enjoy. Keep in mind:
-Lowest personal income tax rates in Canada
-No sales tax
-Lowest unemployment
-No provincial debt
Plus, damn, its in Alberta, and you have prairies, mountains, trees, and virtually any ecosystem you could want. Two large modern cities, three mid size cities with lower cost of living with full high standards of living, and the freedom to make choices of your own.
http://www.jobbank.gc.ca/Search_en.asp
Enjoy. Keep in mind:
-Lowest personal income tax rates in Canada
-No sales tax
-Lowest unemployment
-No provincial debt
Plus, damn, its in Alberta, and you have prairies, mountains, trees, and virtually any ecosystem you could want. Two large modern cities, three mid size cities with lower cost of living with full high standards of living, and the freedom to make choices of your own.
bluealberta said:
Thanks for posting that site. There was something there about 13 farmers in jail for selling their wheat, so I look it up further, and found an article....
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13 freedom fighters are in jail: Because a sclerotic, draconian, socialist wheat board put them there
The Edmonton Journal
Sun 03 Nov 2002
Page: A10
By Lorne Gunter
Jail. Thirteen Alberta farmers are in jail because they dared challenge the grain-sales monopoly of the Canadian Wheat Board.
Ottawa doesn't defend this nation's borders against terrorists as vigorously as it defends the law forcing Prairie wheat and barley producers to sell nearly all their grain to the board.
Agents of Hezbollah, one of the most vicious Islamic terrorist organizations in the world, operate freely in Canada, buying bomb-making materials, night-vision goggles and high-powered cameras for use in butchering Israeli soldiers and civilians.
The Canadian Security Intelligence Service has proof that for years Hezbollah has sent bloodthirsty shopping lists to its operatives here and laundered money through Canadian banks to pay for these murderous supplies. The Liberal government is afraid of being called intolerant by Muslim voters and afraid of angering the multiculturalism and immigration lobbies; it sits idly by.
Another two dozen known terrorist organizations have operations in Canada, but Ottawa cannot bring itself to label them terrorists because of concerns about their Charter rights.
Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham, who seems to have met few terrorists he didn't admire as "freedom fighters," admitted this week that "clearly there are very important Charter considerations," before Ottawa can add a terrorist group to its list of banned organizations. Until then, its agents may come and go as they choose, fundraise, file refugee claims, buy weapons, apply for welfare, receive legal aid -- all with Ottawa's tacit blessing.
But try selling a truckload of your own grain without approval from the wheat board, and wham -- just watch the helicopters and squad cars swarm.
Admittedly, the wheat board didn't order the 13 farmers to jail. A judge did that. But it is curious that board chairman Ken Ritter felt the need to point this out in an open letter to Prairie farmers Oct. 22: "The CWB has no say and no control over sentences that were determined by the Customs Act and by judges in a court of law." Immaterial, but true.
Chairman Ritter (has kind of an appropriate ring to it, doesn't it?) added, the farmers were "not charged for exporting (grain) without a licence. Their offence was to remove vehicles that had been seized by Customs officials."
He also felt, it should "be made clear that the penalty assessed by the courts for the farmers' infractions was not a jail term -- it was a fine." The farmers chose to serve time rather than pay.
Both of Ritter's latter two points are technically true, but they obscure the central reason the farmers were in trouble in the first place: They tried to sell their own grain, freely, on the open market, and that is something the sclerotic, draconian, socialist wheat board will not tolerate.
It is only because the wheat board and the Liberal government are so vehement about making every Prairie farmer sell nearly every bushel of non-feed wheat and barley to them, that Customs officials seized the farmers' trucks and trailers.
Chairman Ritter pretends the board was almost an innocent bystander, watching powerless as Customs confiscated the farmers' vehicles and crops, and then helplessly watching the trial.
Spare us, please. Absent the board's adamance, Customs wouldn't have been involved, vehicles wouldn't have been seized or removed. Charges would never have been laid, or a trial held.
It is only because the board, perhaps the most retrograde public institution in the country, will allow no deviation from its monopoly, entertain no marketing reforms, discuss no freedom of choice for producers that the 13 farmers are in jail -- period. Customs and the courts are not to blame. The law exists, and the board wants it enforced, so Customs and the courts have no choice but to do their duty.
The farmers are in jail because of the wheat board as surely as if Ritter had marched them to their cells himself.
The board has a choice. It could follow the recommendations of the House of Commons agriculture committee and permit farmers to opt in or out of the monopoly. In a free country, that would be reasonable.
But Comrade ... sorry, Chairman Ritter dismisses this out of hand: "We've considered it and we've said no because it doesn't work."
So how come it works in Ontario, Quebec and the Atlantic provinces? There farmers may freely sell or export their grain to whomever they wish.
There, producers are smaller than those on the Prairies. They have not been swallowed by giant grain companies. Nor driven out of business because they could not negotiate a price as high as the wheat board.
Ritter's argument on behalf of single-desk marketing is self-evidently specious.
If Bill Graham ever wants to see real freedom fighters, he'll find them in the Lethbridge Correctional Centre.
_______________________
Lorne Gunter
Columnist, Edmonton Journal
Editorial Board Member, National Post
tele: (780) 916-0719
e-mail: lgunter@shaw.ca "
What more needs to be said, Jay. And some wonder why Alberta feels marginalized? Ontario farmers are under no such restrictions. Yet anothe example of Eastern bias.
Yet a lot of farmers like the Wheat Board. You see, it has given them a fair return on their wheat for all these years and they recognise a good thing when they see it. Some farmers in the US actually wanted to join the wheatboard because of the excellent job it does.
The farmers whining about the Wheat Board are short-sighted fools who understand neither the purpose of the Wheat Board nor the reasons why western farmers pushed for its creation.
The farmers whining about the Wheat Board are short-sighted fools who understand neither the purpose of the Wheat Board nor the reasons why western farmers pushed for its creation.
AirIntake said:
Do you have ANY idea of what the wages are in Fort Mac? Check it out. Mobile homes are being sold there for over $200k, so your $30k salary is way too low. The marketplace decides what is going on up there. The wages are astronomical up there for people who want to work hard. People from all over the country are coming here for those wages, a lot from the maritimes.
Re: RE: What would it take?
What you obviously fail to understand is that there is no choice BUT to use the Wheat Board. That is not the case in Ontario, where they have the choice. Freedom of choice to sell their own self produced goods is what they are after, not the elimination of the Wheat Board.
Surely you do not think that one area of the country should have choices in how to market their own products, where another area of the country must market their products through a government agency?
Reverend Blair said:
What you obviously fail to understand is that there is no choice BUT to use the Wheat Board. That is not the case in Ontario, where they have the choice. Freedom of choice to sell their own self produced goods is what they are after, not the elimination of the Wheat Board.
Surely you do not think that one area of the country should have choices in how to market their own products, where another area of the country must market their products through a government agency?
No, because the way it works is that farmers are given quotas and the Wheat Board does their marketing for them, guaranteeing them a price and then paying more if there is more profit than expected. They also get a little less than they would when prices are high and a little more when prices are low. It works on an economy of scale and on the long term.
If people opt-in when prices are low, then opt out when prices are high, it hurts the Wheat Board. If some opt out and US-style marketing boards come in, then it hurts all of the farmers in the long run because the markets become unstable.
Look at what's happened to family farms in the US...they've all been bought up by corporate monsters who mine the land instead of farming and pay former farmers who used to make a decent living slave wages.
We don't need that shit here.
If people opt-in when prices are low, then opt out when prices are high, it hurts the Wheat Board. If some opt out and US-style marketing boards come in, then it hurts all of the farmers in the long run because the markets become unstable.
Look at what's happened to family farms in the US...they've all been bought up by corporate monsters who mine the land instead of farming and pay former farmers who used to make a decent living slave wages.
We don't need that shit here.