well since over a billion on the planet speak spanish and just alittle over 50 million speak french why not have spanish be our second language
I know French but not Spanish, so I can only go by what I've read about Spanish. I remember reading once that all Romance languages (which include Spanish) have very difficult verb conjugation. While it might be easy for a Francophone to learn it, it might not prove so easy to an Anglophone.well since over a billion on the planet speak spanish and just alittle over 50 million speak french why not have spanish be our second language
The second point is on the Plains of Abraham in 1759, the English under Wolfe, defeated the French under Montcalm. As far as speaking French goes, that should have been the end of it. If that isn't bad enough, the French even make it illegal to put up a sign in any language but French in La Belle Province.
Well, it would seem that defeat wasn't total. The Plains were but one battle of a war still being fought today it would seem.
Now with that kind of attitude, we defeated the Fist Nations too. So should we crush their languages for the final count? As for Quebec, should we arise again to put an end to French once and for all?
What are you suggesting exactly?
well since over a billion on the planet speak spanish and just alittle over 50 million speak french why not have spanish be our second language
What I'm suggesting exactly is that French speaking people in Quebec should be allowed to speak French if that is their wish. They should not be allowed to say what others speak or prevent people from erecting signs in the language of their choice.
I voted for 5 because this country is a multi-nation state (i.e. made up of English Canada with all of its provincial cultural variations, French Canada and the various First Nations), so it is only fair that all its languages be represented. Having to learn French in schools in English Canada is not more or less reasonable than having to learn Cree--though obviously not as spoken as Quebecois (French). Or for that matter, having to learn the languages of more recently arrived Canadians.
At the same time, it would be much more convenient if only one language was spoken in Canada. The problem is, which one?
The most logical would be English since it is the imperial language (i.e. the language spoken by the people who conquered this land), but then you get the question of why it should still be so in an era of globalization. Does the 'winner' argument still apply?
As was said earlier, there are parts of Canada where a second language would certainly not be French if number of speakers were to be the determining factor.
I have struggled with this question a lot: part of me wants to be as inclusive as possible, respecting the languages and cultures of each group. But another part says that lingual differences get in the way of efficient communication. I would say that it is best to err on the side of caution and not impose anything (i.e. no "both languages" legislation) but be sure to represent all groups equally. Mutual respect of differences can also be a basis for unity and solidarity.
I grew up on the Prairies, and French was taught to us by someone
who really couldn't speak French herself from grades 3-7. Oh sure,
we were taught something, and we could understand inside the
classroom the poor imitation of this butchered French, but drop
someone from Quebec into that classroom and he'd barely
understand a thing being said by any of the students who could
understand each others butchered "French." I'm assuming I'm by no
means alone in this educational experience...I'm sure someone who's
actually exposed to people who can actually speak in English &
French can claim that French is easier to learn than English.
This would be like Stephane Dion (& only Stephane Dion) teaching
your children English, with them only being exposed to his version of
English for 1/2hr daily, Monday through Friday, and NOBODY else
speaks any English at all, and then upset that they can't be understood
in Western Canada. That's the reality of the French Language out here...
keep that in mind for anyone who wishes to think condescendingly to
those that aren't at least bilingual.
Now take that "French" 25yrs or more years into the future where you
haven't had to use it since passing "French" in grade seven, and you
don't end up bilingual what so ever. Except for some very isolated
pockets of French speaking people out on the Prairies (who's French
has drifted more than the English Language from Louisiana compared to
Australia...compared to what someone from Quebec would call French),
the language really doesn't exist out here. As an adult, I understand more
spoken Cree than I do French. A very short time in the Caribbean, and I
understand much more spoken Spanish than French.
What ought to be Canada's official language policy? I really don't know,
but I'd just like to see my Leased Operators being able to traverse Quebec
to get to Newfoundland (with its Newfoundmoney) without being singled
out for having Saskatchewan Apportioned Plated on their trucks. Most of
our Drivers in the East are Mennonites out'a Ontario (Speaking English,
Spanish, & Lower German), but that doesn't do them (or me) any good in
much of Quebec.
Just out of curiosity, how far apart is the French in Quebec City to the
French in, let say, Paris? How far apart would the French in either of these
places be from the French in Gravelbourg, Saskatchewan or north of that
200 miles in Domremy, Saskatchewan (more of less isolated from other
French communities for 3-4 generations)?
Very thoughtful post, and I like it. As for ensuring linguistic unity while still repsecting linguistic diversity, why not the Indonesian model, whereby the governmet established Bahasa Indonesia, a naturalistic planned language spoken by few as a mother-tongue but designed to be easy to learn by all Indonesians. As a result, we have a situation there whereby Indonesia has one common language for the nation, but near universal bilingualism among the population.
If Canada were to adopt such a model, it could in fact ensure linguistic unity and diversity at the same time by either creating or adopting a language that would be easy to learn by design, thus allowing all Canadians to learn this common language quickly without having to sacrifice their mother tongues and still ensure communicability and equality for all Canadians. Why not learn from Eastern models?
Thanks. Bahasa Indonesia is based on one of their minority languages right? Difficult to see that happening here because Canada is the product of recent colonization and the elimination of large portions of the original inhabitants, which are now a minority but not seen as equals by the majority(?) of the colonial population. The imposition of a region-based minority language would have to be a First Nations language and can you imagine all of us having to learn some variation of Algic or Iroquoian?
If it were a completely new language designed to be easy to learn, it would have to be equally easy to learn for all residents. Meaning that it would have to contain structural forms that all of the above mentioned groups could adapt to with equal facility, while at the same time retaining a comprehensive overall structure (i.e. smallest possible learning curve).
Same deal if it were an imported language (note that the euro-centric nature of Esperanto would conflict with the above requirements).
The real obstacle is that it's unlikely that Canadians would want to learn it. English Canadians especially would argue that theirs is the most spoken language and so why should they not be able to speak it in Parliament? French Canadians would not benefit because then their language would effectively become a 3rd language--not to mention the effect on already degraded First Nations languages.
We've already seen that most Canadians don't learn both French and English languages (First Nations and other languages don't even have official status so there's absolutely no incentive to learn them--putting aside that they're far less spoken than the two official languages). For those that do learn the other language, it usually doesn't stick: I learned to speak French at one point but lack of opportunity to practise it has resulted in my forgetting how.
The only way to make it stick is to use it at school and at work--all work (i.e. public and private sectors) all the time.
This isn't realistic for bilingualism because people will only have contact with the other language if the person they are talking to speaks it (e.g. if most of the people you are surrounded with are from English Canada, you're unlikely to have anyone speaking to you in French, unless they just decide to start speaking in French and that is unlikely--and vice versa). This means that people will be burdened to be bilingual in order to be able to work without being able to stay in practise (meaning they will frequently have to be taking courses in the other language just to remain bilingual--if only at an auditory/literate level). And of course, you can't force people to speak the other language part of the time or something like that--that would be impractical to the point of absurdity.
The thing about it is, English is so prevalent in the world and has become so entrenched in North America that listening to the PM making a speech in something not English (and not French) would be pretty weird to many people.
Another objection is that Quebec would still be exposed to foreign English-speaking media (especially from the USA). The main reason why French Canadians insist on speaking French at all times is that it is necessary for the maintenance of lingual integrity (i.e. to sway the lingual influence of the English-speaking media). Since language is very much connected to national identity, the eroding effect on French Canadian culture would be more severe than that that of English Canada. The only way to avoid this is to apply the official language to all media as well (i.e. all incoming media would have to be translated into the official language).
The logic being that if a new official language is introduced to Canada, it cannot leave any group more or less advantaged than other.
An official language would obviously reduce the usage of all other languages but if applied universally, would dramatically reduce the corrosive effects on 'less advantaged' languages by dominant ones.
From what I know of newly-created languages, they tend to be less "fluid" than 'actual' languages. I attribute that to language usually having had centuries if not millennia to develop and adapt to different social realities. Clearly even the simplest, most comprehensive language would involve an uncomfortable adaptation process.
The British and later Canada gave more rights to French Canadians then any other defeated peoples in history, they allowed them to keep their language and they also protected it by giving them the Quebec Act and the BNA ACT of 1867 by making French Co-Offiicial Language along with English of the Dominion of Canada and the Province of Quebec.
01. Restore the English Language in Quebec
02. Repeal such anti-English Language Laws as Bill 22, bill 78, Bill 101
03. Dismantle the Language Police
04. Return the Anglo-Quebec population back to 25% of the Province's Population
05. Make Quebec City and Montreal Majority Anglophone Cities
06. Ban the Parti Quebecois
07. Expell and deport all Parti Quebecois members and supporters
08. Return all Properties and Buisness belonging to Anglo-Quebecers
09. Rename the National Assembly to the Legislative Assembly of Quebec
10. Remove the notion of "Quebec is a Nation with in a Nation" crap