What is wrong with a two tier health system?

AMKiller

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Your thesis seems to be that if the large majority of immigrants from a given country are worthless, they should all be thrown out. So, if a large majority of Somalis are worthless, why shouldn't y'all throw them all out, including your wife?


Why not apply the same standards to the Canadian born?


I'm crushed by your harsh judgment. No, seriously, I am. Tears running down my face and all.
My wife is a nurse and productive member of society. She also volunteers at a women's shelter. Why would you want to kick out productive people? Especially when they pay for your lazy butt to sit around all day.

Canadians that are born with pre-existing conditions have been told by the government they'd be taken care of. People off the boat come here to take advantage of free stuff.

No need to cry but you certainly are a bigot of low expectations.

Can we get back to my original point of implementing a two tier system in Canada. This thread isn't about immigration.

Ah, no, it's up to you, since you're making blanket statements based on absolutely nothing but your own fears.
Ya right, it's because you CAN'T! Now dance for me.
 

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My wife is a nurse and productive member of society. She also volunteers at a women's shelter. Why would you want to kick out productive people? Especially when they pay for your lazy butt to sit around all day.
To quote a certain poster on this board, "One you say. Name two more, even one more."

Canadians that are born with pre-existing conditions have been told by the government they'd be taken care of. People off the boat come here to take advantage of free stuff.
Well, that's easy. Quit telling 'em that.

No need to cry but you certainly are a bigot of low expectations.
On this board? Sure am. I've found over time that my low expectations of most of the posters here are rarely disappointed.

Can we get back to my original point of implementing a two tier system in Canada. This thread isn't about immigration.
Sure. Canada has a de facto two tier system, just like every other place. Those who can afford it go to America or Switzerland or somesuch for treatment, and those who can't get by with whatever subsidized system they have locally.


Ya right, it's because you CAN'T! Now dance for me.
You'll have to slip a sawbuck into TP's garter for that.
 

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2. The majority of applicants that have some form of trade, skill, profession, etc

Generally OK, but it leaves room for endless social engineering. If there's a shortage in a particular area, say lefthanded lesbian pipefitters, to you accept Lithuanian lefthanded lesbian pipefitters or Liberian lefthanded lesbian pipefitters, or do you let it ride for a while, because theory says wages will rise with the shortage, thus encouraging Labradorian lefthanded lesbians to train as pipefitters?

No doubt on the social engineering part. That said, my thoughts would be more along the lines of able bodied and willing with a preference towards skill sets in need today.

in terms of the pipefitters example demographic, what's wrong with a first come first considered (within the parameters set forth of national quotas).

in the end, for me at least, this isn't about takin-away-our-jobs as much as it is about skewing the system to accommodate the best candidates that will thrive, and in doing so, so will the communities in which they reside

... An interesting (somewhat sad) aside, there are numerous examples of highly skilled professionals (physicians especially) that immigrate and are almost prohibited from applying their trade by the professional associations... I totally get that standards and whatnot are very important, but in a country like Canada that seems to have a perpetual under supply of physicians, it baffles the mind that the gubmint doesn't find a way to accommodate this situation.

3. Minority of accepted applicants originating on claims of political persecution and/or economic distress

The good news with this one is there will always be plenty for folks to bitch about, like whether this particular country or that politically persecutes or economically distresses folks enough to qualify for the quota.

Good point, although having nation of origin quotas in place will heavily mitigate this circumstance

4. Included in this, the system employed in Denmark whereby folks do have limited access to social services for a 5 year period, after which, provided they have gained employment and a functional command of the language(s), are fully eligible for all bennies.

Interesting. What if they get really, really sick in the first five years? Or lose a leg working as an assistant to a lefthanded lesbian pipefitter? In other words, the limits on social services'd have to be pretty specific and account for all kinds of slings and arrows.

I too see the flaws here, but do appreciate that (a) my knowledge of their system is superficial (b) it would be highly presumptive to assume that the Danish system was without any depth or understanding. i can't imagine that contingencies don't exist that recognize the potential situation you offered.
 

AMKiller

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You're not very bright, are you? Not only are you bad at your job, according to your own anecdote, but you really aren't very bright.
Actually, I was very good at my job and I did what was expected of me, I asked questions and brought it to the attention of my manager, the rest was up to the hospital. Seems to me the government didn't do their due diligence in vetting this person.

You are the dim bulb here. Post another success story in regards to Syrian refugees like the one you posted above or STFU.

To quote a certain poster on this board, "One you say. Name two more, even one more."

Well, that's easy. Quit telling 'em that.

On this board? Sure am. I've found over time that my low expectations of most of the posters here are rarely disappointed.

Sure. Canada has a de facto two tier system, just like every other place. Those who can afford it go to America or Switzerland or somesuch for treatment, and those who can't get by with whatever subsidized system they have locally.



You'll have to slip a sawbuck into TP's garter for that.
I shouldn't have to travel outside my own country to get good healthcare. If someone wants to buy their own insurance and get treated in their own country that option should be available to them.
 

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You are the dim bulb here. Post another success story in regards to Syrian refugees like the one you posted above or STFU.

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You speak in absolutes; I showed one example to prove you are wrong. One example is all that is necessary, because that's all that is required to prove that your blanket statements are not accurate.


you're just not very good at this stuff.


You haven't posted any evidence that you were good at your job, either. STFU then.
 

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Two tier health systems work well in France and Germany, so why not in Canada? It would certainly lessen the burden on our current system and reinstate procedures like physiotherapist, eyecare and dental care. Why must we be slaves to government?


Absolutely nothing wrong with a two tier system! The more choices the better and more democratic. :)
 

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Now I realize that you want to turn Canada into a North American version of Japan, but that is not going to happen. Immigration as a policy of the Canadian government is not going to be changed by a few bigots who can't adapt to a multicultural society.

Canada doesn't have a multicultural society. It is going to but it doesn't.

Your racist PM didn't send a government official to Miami to encourage more immigrants, he sent him to stop them from coming to Canada with threats of sending them back to Haiti.
 

AMKiller

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You speak in absolutes; I showed one example to prove you are wrong. One example is all that is necessary, because that's all that is required to prove that your blanket statements are not accurate.


you're just not very good at this stuff.


You haven't posted any evidence that you were good at your job, either. STFU then.
You've proven nothing except that you can count to one. What about the other 24, 999? Have they all become Uber drivers?

Like I wrote earlier, I asked the necessary questions and brought it to the attention of my manager, the rest was up to the hospital. The man had a health card and I went through his demographics with his family member. What else could I have done? Tied the family up and tortured them until they told the truth?

This is what I wrote in an earlier post:
I'm all for immigrants coming into Canada and I understand they are vital. What I'm not for is abuses of our system by people that don't live in Canada and only come here for their free healthcare and to receive a pension payed for by the Canadian taxpayer, these abuses are more common than you think.
So what have I written that's an absolute? I understand that not all people are alike and I've made no blanket statements except against people that are abusing the system. I think you've mistaken me for someone else.

Now to the more relevant topic. What do you think of a two-tier healthcare system?
 
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The biggest problem here in Canukistan is that a 2 tier healthcare system will prohibit the gubmint from using this system as a vote-getter in perpetuity.

.... Can't think of any other reason that it doesn't exist here
 

AMKiller

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The biggest problem here in Canukistan is that a 2 tier healthcare system will prohibit the gubmint from using this system as a vote-getter in perpetuity.

.... Can't think of any other reason that it doesn't exist here
Good point. The Canadian government is a whore.
 

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I shouldn't have to travel outside my own country to get good healthcare.
Why not? If better health care is cheaper or more available elsewhere, why shouldn't you have to travel to it? You have to travel to see the Parthenon or Chichen Itza, or to eat real Mexican food or drink good Guinness. Why should top-end health care be any different?

If someone wants to buy their own insurance and get treated in their own country that option should be available to them.
Tell that to the people providing whatever health-care service you want. Maybe they'll move to wherever you are if there's a market for their services.
 

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Why not? If better health care is cheaper or more available elsewhere, why shouldn't you have to travel to it? You have to travel to see the Parthenon or Chichen Itza, or to eat real Mexican food or drink good Guinness. Why should top-end health care be any different?

Your example is accurate if there is only 1 approved Mexican food provider legislated

Tell that to the people providing whatever health-care service you want. Maybe they'll move to wherever you are if there's a market for their services.

The opportunity to successfully obtain a license to provide for a depth (ie more than just a Drs visit) of services is almost impossible due to the existing legislation and further complicated by it also being highly political
 

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Your example is accurate if there is only 1 approved Mexican food provider legislated
No, my example is correct because you can't get real Mexican food in Canada, period.



The opportunity to successfully obtain a license to provide for a depth (ie more than just a Drs visit) of services is almost impossible due to the existing legislation and further complicated by it also being highly political
Yeah, and why work on changing that when you can bitch about it on the internet?
 

AMKiller

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Why not? If better health care is cheaper or more available elsewhere, why shouldn't you have to travel to it? You have to travel to see the Parthenon or Chichen Itza, or to eat real Mexican food or drink good Guinness. Why should top-end health care be any different?


Tell that to the people providing whatever health-care service you want. Maybe they'll move to wherever you are if there's a market for their services.
Why don't we put the losers, like you, on an island and give them shoddy healthcare over there, with Dr. Nick Riviera, while the rest of us can get great healthcare where we live.

Leftists-always looking for productive people to pay their bills.
 

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Why don't we put the losers, like you, on an island and give them shoddy healthcare over there, with Dr. Nick Riviera, while the rest of us can get great healthcare where we live.
Because I've got terrific health care. And it's free. So who's the loser?

Leftists-always looking for productive people to pay their bills.
And you're the chump paying, chump.

Au contraire mon frere

Los Chilitos Taco & Tequila House: Authentic Mexican Food ...



Says authentic right in the title.... Read it on the interwebs so its gotta be true
I'll pass that along to Rosa. She could use the laugh.






Who's bitching?
At the moment, AMSniffler.

I'm simply providing the reality here
Guess y'all f*cked up, din'tcha?

Poor you. You'll have to drive or fly to Minnesota for top-end treatement. Unless it's a boob job or a facelift. For that you want Switzerland.
 

AMKiller

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Because I've got terrific health care. And it's free. So who's the loser?


And you're the chump paying, chump.


I'll pass that along to Rosa. She could use the laugh.







At the moment, AMSniffler.


Guess y'all f*cked up, din'tcha?

Poor you. You'll have to drive or fly to Minnesota for top-end treatement. Unless it's a boob job or a facelift. For that you want Switzerland.
It's not free but you keep on believing that.

So, if I should have to pay for you then I should be able to get to the front of the line by paying for my own insurance. After all, you are happy waiting for crappy healthcare.

If Canada ever does get two tier healthcare, those of us that can afford our own insurance should see a drop in our tax rate while losers like you should get a rise in your tax rate, meaning you'll have to finally get a job. THE HORROR

Because I've got terrific health care. And it's free. So who's the loser?


And you're the chump paying, chump.


I'll pass that along to Rosa. She could use the laugh.







At the moment, AMSniffler.


Guess y'all f*cked up, din'tcha?

Poor you. You'll have to drive or fly to Minnesota for top-end treatement. Unless it's a boob job or a facelift. For that you want Switzerland.
You actually don't have terrific healthcare, but what does a loser like you know about what is and isn't any good, well, unless it's pot.
 

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Guess y'all f*cked up, din'tcha?

Poor you. You'll have to drive or fly to Minnesota for top-end treatement. Unless it's a boob job or a facelift. For that you want Switzerland.

you're making quite the assumptions today

PS, SE Asia is truly remarkable for healthcare, particularly primary.

I pay more for a day's parking here than I do for a Dr to come to my location and do the work