What is racism?

Does race account for differences in humans, in that a particular race is superior to others in cert

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DasFX

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Hard-Luck Henry said:
If you look at one African, say, and one European - what assumptions are we to make about their relative abilities because of their race, and which one is naturally superior? Are we to assume that the African will be a faster runner, but the European will be better at chess?

Of course you wouldn't use a sample size of 1. People here are looking at this topic with emotion rather than just pure science. Why can you classify ever other animal on earth, but not ourselves?
 

DasFX

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iamcanadian said:
So with your elephant example we should be looking to advance people of mixed races over those from a more singular gene pool.

Inversely the more inbread individuals the more chances inferior genetics are amplified as flaws.

Yes, what you say is true. Having a bigger gene pool is better and people of mixed race will eventually evolve faster (over a long, long time.)

Inbreading is genetically dangerous, do you think that society shuns inbreading based on religion alone?
 

DasFX

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bhoour said:
I was surprised too, by the question. We are all of one race >>>>>>>HUMAN>>>>>> It's the cultures that are different .

Wrong, we are all one species. There are different races. People of the same race can have different cultures. Culture is a human creation, race is a biological creation.
 

DasFX

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Jersay said:
You can't use genetics, or abilities of some people to compare a race to another. We are all people! We are all human!

Yes you can. Why do we use certain breads of dogs for certain purposes, because in general we can say that particular bread has certain abilities. Of course not every dog in certain bread will exhibit these traits, there are outliers of course.

We are all people - Nobody said otherwise

Why do people think they are so far above the rest of the animal kingdom to think that the laws of evolution and biology don't apply?

The concept of racism is a negative human creation based loosely on biological fact.
 

DasFX

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Vanni Fucci said:
Hmm...still trying to rationalize your bigotry Das?

Bigotry?? I guess I'm a dog bigot and elephant bigot too cause I can see and understand the differences between different races or sub species.
 

bhoour

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DasFX said:
bhoour said:
I was surprised too, by the question. We are all of one race >>>>>>>HUMAN>>>>>> It's the cultures that are different .

Wrong, we are all one species. There are different races. People of the same race can have different cultures. Culture is a human creation, race is a biological creation.



You say there are different races...really?.. like at the track??? :roll:

I agree humans can have different cultures. (see above).
We do. I agree Culture is a human creation . :thumbleft:
Race is biological in the sense that we are all of the human race. Race, to me , is NOT , the colour of our skin, the wars we fight, our country of origin , our religion, schooling .....etc. Those things are all man made and superficial, and actually stem from our different cultures.
Race to me, is that we are, all of one species, HUMAN.
It's hard to believe in this day and age, that someone could believe what side of an imaginary line you were born on, on what part of this planet you live, that the colour of your skin, the religion practiced could make possibly make you different a different race or more/less superior which is what this thread is about. It's this kind of thinking that helps mankind lose the battle to save ourselves, from ourselves.
 

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Jersay said:
But we are not breeds. We are not like dogs or other animals. Now if you follow the genetic talk of some people, some cultures and races have different characteristics if you look at the genes, however, even if some Africans are good at runing doesn't mean all of them are good. And not all Europeans are good at chest. It depends on the person not on genetics.

For example, in my culture, Asatru, which is a war-like culture and is fearless in fighting, I don't think every single Asatru follower would be fearless in death. Doesn't make them less a person than anyone else. And I am sure not all Asatru people are not good in fighting, but that doesn't make them less a person.

You can't use genetics, or abilities of some people to compare a race to another. We are all people! We are all human!

Jersay, Asatru is a religion. It's not a race, and as a religion, it's only a component of a culture. If you are Scandinavian in ancestry, you and I share common ancestral stock. However, culture is a veneer, an overlay, something that is mental imposed upon that which is physical.

I say this not to refute anything that you say, but rather to use it as a springboard to point out that which so many people seem to neglect or simply not to realize.

So, how long have you been one of the Asatruar? :)
 

Hard-Luck Henry

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Das: As far as I can see and understand, genetic variations may have had some relevance in our dim and distant evolutionary past, but any of the [extremely minor] differences in our physiology have long since become utterly meaningless.

This thread has been going for long enough ... Since you started it, perhaps it's about time you used your superior vision and understanding to clarify which is the superior race and, of course, why is that the case?

Or is "cultural" superiority your new thing?
 

Reverend Blair

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Superior race? There isn't one. Somebody mentioned dog breeds. I've owned dogs all my life and the difference between human "races" is more like comparing one mongrel to another than purebreds. About the only consistent thing that can be said is that people with darker skin tend to be less prone to sunburns. Not much of distinction in a world where we wear clothes and have sunscreen.
 

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There is no superior race. All races have advantages over all other races under given circumstances.

Mix races have more advantages over all other pure races in more diverse circumstances.

The concept of a pure race, or even a pure culture is inherently flawed, because the more specialized or isolated the more vulnerable to variables that cannot be controled.

This is the advantage of the North American English Culture and Race over others, because it was not as restrictive and allowed itself to be changed by the influences of many cultures and races.

This is the single most reason why North American Culture dominates.

The others (including Britain and Quebec) in their open or subtle ways held back adapting. However this is changing very fast as the world is homogenizing quickly.
 

#juan

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I know I'm starting in this topic late but a simple statement of fact is not racism. The people involved in the recent spate of killings in Toronto were all black. Sorry that is the way it was. If a story is true, and if you don't go out of your way to tell it, it is not racism.

I personally think racism is mostly attitude. If you have a friendly attitude towards all races you are not a racist.
 

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#juan said:
I know I'm starting in this topic late but a simple statement of fact is not racism. The people involved in the recent spate of killings in Toronto were all black. Sorry that is the way it was. If a story is true, and if you don't go out of your way to tell it, it is not racism.

I personally think racism is mostly attitude. If you have a friendly attitude towards all races you are not a racist.

Juan, by even mentioning the colour of someone's skin when conveying information of a crime, you are, whether intentionally or not, insinuating that the colour of their skin had something to do with their mea culpa in committing the crime...

I, personally, find that to be offensive, even when I know it's not done intentionally...and so I would think that it's best to leave colour of skin out of such discussions of crime, lest we all start looking over our shoulders for suspicious looking black men and Arabs...
 

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Summer said:
I can see there being a North American English culture, but for the life of me I cannot conceive of a "North American English Race".

And just what do you mean by "dominates"?

The North American English Race, is used to distinguish it from the French and Spanish Races in North America.

Though these races are not true races, if they were somehow left isolated in their current state without externalinfluence, given 500 years they would each become separate races. Modern societies however change and move too fast to alow races to form and in fact is working quickly to eliminate races. It is only a matter of time before all humans will have a common skin colour and a blend of charecteristics eliminating races.

The reason it dominates is because it changes more with the influx of new blood unlike other places which tend to permit themselves to be changed less.
 

Hard-Luck Henry

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#juan said:
I know I'm starting in this topic late but a simple statement of fact is not racism. The people involved in the recent spate of killings in Toronto were all black. Sorry that is the way it was. If a story is true, and if you don't go out of your way to tell it, it is not racism.

Come on, #jaun. Is pigmentation of skin more relevant than the socio-economic factors?
 

#juan

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There is a lot in what you say Vanni. I did think about it and that is why I added "as long as you don't go out of your way to tell the story". For instance, if I came running up and said "a bunch of black guys are shooting each other in Toronto". that would be considered disrespectful and unneccessary identification of race. The simple statement, in response to a question, that the people who were involved in the shooting were black is not racist. At least not in what passes for my mind these days.
 

Reverend Blair

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The North American English Race, is used to distinguish it from the French and Spanish Races in North America.

Not to mention the Ukrainian/Polish/German/Irish race which is much different than Polish/Ukranian/Hungarian/English race, though both are indigenous to the stark Canadian prairies and share an odd affinity for tractors and rye whisky although the Irish/French/Scottish/Cree race can sometimes better both the Ukrainian/Polish/German/Irish race and the Polish/Ukranian/Hungarian/English race in truck dirving and Vodka drinking, although there is some evidence that might be due to tolerance to humidity.

Of course I might just be talking through my hat (and who the f*ck came up with that expression and why) because I met a German girl in England who was going to school in France. ;-)
 

#juan

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Come on, #jaun. Is pigmentation of skin more relevant than the socio-economic factors?

For the purposes of this discussion, I know nothing about socio-economic factors.
 

#juan

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Hard-Luck Henry

Certainly socio-economic factors are involved in that story but I don't know to what extent.