What is Messianic Judaism?
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here's the defense mechanism of the fanatic. If someone disagrees with their indoctrination, they are of Satan. They are of the dark side. This is obviously drilled into their thick skull. All a part of the fear and guilt religion instills in order to control and survive .
Actually Christ did not even attempt to create a new religion Christianity
He in fact came to reform the Jewish Faith. The problem is the followers
distinguished themselves from those who chose not to believe they were
still Jews and in doing so became Messianic Jews and their gospels
reflect that. They were left out of the equation of Mathew, Mark Luke and John
as the New Testament writings were become a four way struggle that indeed
threatened the reform of the Church itself. the four books of Bible became
the framework of a compromise and in so doing became Gentile controlled
by the masses of conversion. This is turn left the Reform Jews without a real
identity within the structure and they in turn became the Messianic equation
The two pounding away their distorted view of religion actually have it somewhat
right this time
He in fact came to reform the Jewish Faith. The problem is the followers
distinguished themselves from those who chose not to believe they were
still Jews and in doing so became Messianic Jews and their gospels
reflect that. They were left out of the equation of Mathew, Mark Luke and John
as the New Testament writings were become a four way struggle that indeed
threatened the reform of the Church itself. the four books of Bible became
the framework of a compromise and in so doing became Gentile controlled
by the masses of conversion. This is turn left the Reform Jews without a real
identity within the structure and they in turn became the Messianic equation
The two pounding away their distorted view of religion actually have it somewhat
right this time
"...who hate me without reason..." (Psalm 35:19; Psalm 69:4 NIV); "...They hated me without reason." (John 15:25 NIV)
Seems unreasonable that the hatred of Messianic Jewish believers would trump that which is directed at the bloodiest despots and the most barbaric hordes in human history. Defys all logic.
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But when most of Jews refused him, he cursed them and said: The kingdom of God will be given to another nation to work its fruits.
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The Muslim nation worked its fruit and observed the worship of God alone without associate.
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Jesus Christ cursed Jews who did not believe in him and who hurt him:
>> In the Holy Gospel according to St. Matthew, chapter 23, he said:
“13-But woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men; for you yourselves do not enter in and those that are going in you suffer not to enter.”
>> And in the Holy Gospel according to St. Luke, chapter 11:
“42-But woe to you, Pharisees, because you tithe mint and rue and every herb and pass over judgment and the charity of God. Now these things you ought to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
43-Woe to you, Pharisees, because you love the uppermost seats in the synagogue and salutations in the market place
44-Woe to you, because you are as sepulchers that appear not; and men that walk over are not aware.”
>> And he said: “37-Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you that kill the prophets and stone them that are sent unto you…” Mat. ,23: 27
>> The Christ said, as in Matthew’s Gospel, chapter 11 about the dispraise of Jews:
“21-Woe to you, Corozian! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For, if in Tyre and Sidon had been wrought the miracles that have been wrought in you, they had long ago done penance in sackcloth and ashes.
22-But I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you.
23-And you, Capharnaum, shall you be exalted up to heaven? You shall go down even unto hell. For, if in Sodom had been wrought the miracles that have been wrought in you, perhaps it had remained unto this day.
24-But I say unto you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you.”
>> And it is mentioned in Mat. Gospel, chapter 12 his saying:
“34-O generation of vipers, how can you speak good things, whereas you are evil?”
>> Jesus Christ said also in Mat. Gospel, chapter 16 dispraising Jews: “4-A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign.”
>> Also, he said in chapter 15 (Mat.) dispraising Jews:
“6- … and you have made void the commandment of God for your tradition.
7-Hypocrites, well has Isaiah prophesied of you, saying:
8-This people honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from me:
9-And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and commandments of men.”
>> And he said:
“47-Woe to you who build the monuments of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.
48-Truly you bear witness that you consent to the doings of your fathers. For they indeed killed them, and you build their sepulchers.”
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"Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is within you?"
"The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second is the Lord from heaven." Jesus himself enunciates the truth in his remarkable declaration to his disciples--as types of the human counterpart--"Ye are from below, I am from above." "The spirit of God that dwelleth in you" and worketh the transfiguration and redemption of the carnal animal nature, is the only connotation of the term God concerned in the ultimate definition of religion. God's in his heaven, true enough: but with Him there, on His own high plane, man can have no relation. This may appear the veriest blasphemy to the re ligionist. Yet it is not only the bald truth, but the essence of the sanity that would have characterized religion, had not an outrageous over-reaching of meaning stultified man's entire effort to grasp the basal truth. Not God, in His wholeness, but that fragment of His nature which was energic in man's constitution, properly named "the god," is the only redeemer and savior, Christ or Messiah, contemplated in ancient scripture.
Says Heraclitus, the Greek philosopher, enunciating the Orphic Theosophy, "Man is a portion of cosmic fire, imprisoned in a body of earth and water." A measure of God's own spirit, symboled always among the ancients by "fire," was "cribbed, cabined and confined" in a vehicle of earthly elements and sensory capacity. The body is itself seven-eighths water and one-eighth earthy material! Nature and positive fact thus support Greek philosophy and mythological symbolism. Sir Alfred Russell Wallace, co-originator with Darwin of the theory of evolution, has clearly evidenced that there is not to be found in the life history of the highest animal races on earth a body of experience which can account for the development of the mind in man. This fact is infinitely more significant for religion than has been observed. More glaringly obvious even than the absence of intermediate forms between animal and man is the "missing link" in the sequence of conscious mental development. The animal had no historical experience that evolved in him the mental faculty. Whence then came the Promethean fire, the gift of mind, to the races of animate beings on earth?
(And still the Christian Church does not realize that this is a declaration as to the anthropological origin of the spiritual element in all humanity, but thinks it a reference to the advent of an individual man!)
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For it hints at the central truth of all dogma, that the Christ is an element in the psychological constitution of every son of man, and not an individual figure in history!
Seems irrational to despise people of faith more than genocidal dictators and war machines marauding over the planet and over the legacy of humanity.
"While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.' Then he fell on his knees and cried out, 'Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” (Acts 7:59-60 NIV)
Stephen's words in martyrdom are reminiscent of Jesus' words in similar circumstances:
"Jesus said, 'Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." (Luke 23:34 NIV)
"Jesus called out with a loud voice, 'Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." (Luke 23:46 NIV)
Well why not Selfslime. Hearsay never stopped you from believing all the stuff you spew.
I'm trying to comprehend what species of barbaric animals can hurl stones at another human being to their death. And I can't. It is a level of cruelty and psychopathy that is incomprehensible.
Stoning and crucifixion are part of the legacy of fallen mankind, LL. Murder most foul. Jesus illuminates a spiritual counterpart in His mountain sermon when He equates verbal abuse with physical. Ripping a strip off of someone with our words is as deadly to the spirit as tearing of flesh is to the body.
What is there to avail us of our verbal and physical violence?
Anyone who is involved in stoning another human being to death is a barbaric sociopathic animal. Plenty of that type of atrocity in religion that's for sure.
You'd think someone may have remembered the words,,,," Let "Him" who is amongst you who is without sin,,,cast the first stone". Must have been selective memory in those times.
Outside religion as well, LL. Such atrocity is the legacy of fallen mankind. There is a remedy, however.
The people who stoned Stephen were religious Motar. And even to this day it happens in Muslim countries. Honestly I've not heard of too many secularists countries stoning people to death
And I'm not a believer in original inherited sin or the ideology of total depravity either.
In the particular context of your quote above, religious men had accosted a women accused of adultery in order to mete out "justice". Adultery requires two parties. Curiously, the male party was neither identified nor brought to "justice".