What did we do? Harper Majority!!

[Machjo]

Now that we have a Copnservative majority, we might as well make the best of it:

1. Life begins at conception.
2. Marriage is between a man and a woman.
3. Free trade helps poorer countries.
4. Territorial bilingualism is far more cost-effective than univeral bilingualism. Scott Reid (Conservative MP) is a strong supporter of this, and seeing that it's not all that different a concept as Layton's idea of allowing federal institutions in Quebec to be subjected to Bill 101, I could see them working together on this.
5. Cut or reduce funding for the CBC. I like the CBC, so it's nothing personal. However, I think the CBC can survive without funding.
6. Cut funding for all political parties.


But most importantly, do so in collaboration with other MPs, perhaps gradually, perhaps guaranteeing free votes each time so as to give the opposition a fighting chance. But don't just force it down their throats. I actually like many of Harper's ideas, just that he needs to learn to work together with others.

 

[The Old Medic]

The Conservatives won a majority because:

1. The voters were sick and tired of the manipulation of the political system by the Liberals, the NDP and the Bloc.

2. They took a really hard look at the NDP, and when it came right down to it, they could not hold their noses and vote them into a position of power.

3. They essentially decided that the Liberals are a bunch of idiots, led by a power mad egomaniac, who will do ANYTHING to become the P.M.

4. When "push came to shove" the voters realized that Canada, and they personally, are a lot better off keeping the ultra socialists out of power..

 

[Machjo]

It is called "democracy". The people are always right. Even when they are wrong.

In 40 years of voting, this is the first time I have been on the clear winning side.

It feels good.

Don't forget that voting for the Bloc or whoever else is called democracy too.

 

[JLM]

Of course not.

But 40% != 55%

Which is the difference between a majority and a minority government.

I'd like to preface this by saying that, regardless of which parties ended up where, we should begin to slowly evolve to a more proportional system. It's only fair, no?

Nope - we were already through all this in B.C. it just complicates the voting and counting process and is just another way of ending up with the same results in 95% of cases.

Now that we have a Copnservative majority, we might as well make the best of it:

1. Life begins at conception.
2. Marriage is between a man and a woman.
3. Free trade helps poorer countries.
4. Territorial bilingualism is far more cost-effective than univeral bilingualism. Scott Reid (Conservative MP) is a strong supporter of this, and seeing that it's not all that different a concept as Layton's idea of allowing federal institutions in Quebec to be subjected to Bill 101, I could see them working together on this.
5. Cut or reduce funding for the CBC. I like the CBC, so it's nothing personal. However, I think the CBC can survive without funding.
6. Cut funding for all political parties.


But most importantly, do so in collaboration with other MPs, perhaps gradually, perhaps guaranteeing free votes each time so as to give the opposition a fighting chance. But don't just force it down their throats. I actually like many of Harper's ideas, just that he needs to learn to work together with others.

Not to mention getting tough on the worst criminals. :smile:

Don't forget that voting for the Bloc or whoever else is called democracy too.

And they democratically decided that the Bloc(kheads) are not conducive to Democracy. :lol:

 

[captain morgan]

you sound like you understand the economic situation in greece really well.
:lol:

Clearly I understand it much better than one that pines for a system that cannibalizes itself.

If by some remarkable oversight, you are unable to see that it is the less-socialist EU nations that are being squeezed to finance those nations that rely on heavily subsidized, internal socialist agendas; then any further discussion with you on this is pointless.

The only way that the message will be properly delivered to you is if you emigrate to a place like Greece and experience the effects of socialism directly.

 

[mentalfloss]

Nope - we were already through all this in B.C. it just complicates the voting and counting process and is just another way of ending up with the same results in 95% of cases.

Well you're statistically and factually incorrect if you legitimately believe that to be the case.

Based on Seats:

Conservative - 54%
NDP - 33%
Liberal - 8%
Bloc - 1%
Green - 0%

And now the real vote percentages:

Conservative - 40%
NDP - 31%
Liberal - 19%
Block - 6%
Green - 4%

Statistical variance per party
= (14 + 2 + 11 + 5 + 4) / 5
= 7.2%

Which you would have to multiply by two because the variance could be in their favour or against, so the real number is:

=14.4% variation, or 85.6% accurate when comparing our national poles to the actual vote.

More importantly though - and regardless of that variation - there's no doubting that whatever party hits around 40% of the vote, they could still make a majority.

Whether that was conservatives, liberals, ndp, bloc, green, whatever.. that's not truly democratic and representative of the votes that were passed through.

So, this will be something inevitably changes the more exposure it gets.

 

[ironsides]

Must be a cultural shock to have a real majority rules democracy finally. Two parties give you a majority, not 3,4 or more.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Must be a cultural shock to have a real majority rules democracy finally. Two parties give you a majority, not 3,4 or more.

The string of minority government we experienced is a recent trend, prior to the mid 2000's we had solid majority governments going back 50 years or so.

 

[mentalfloss]

Must be a cultural shock to have a real majority rules democracy finally. Two parties give you a majority, not 3,4 or more.

That's a simplistic way of looking at it.

We've had majorities with 4 parties before.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Jack Layton the leader of the new opposition likes sex in massage parlors, that's cool! ;-)

 

[mentalfloss]

Jack Layton the leader of the new opposition likes sex in massage parlors, that's cool! ;-)

That would get my vote.

 

[JLM]

Well you're statistically and factually incorrect if you legitimately believe that to be the case.

Based on Seats:

Conservative - 54%
NDP - 33%
Liberal - 8%
Bloc - 1%
Green - 0%

And now the real vote percentages:

Conservative - 40%
NDP - 31%
Liberal - 19%
Block - 6%
Green - 4%

Statistical variance per party
= (14 + 2 + 11 + 5 + 4) / 5
= 7.2%

Which you would have to multiply by two because the variance could be in their favour or against, so the real number is:

=14.4% variation, or 85.6% accurate when comparing our national poles to the actual vote.

More importantly though - and regardless of that variation - there's no doubting that whatever party hits around 40% of the vote, they could still make a majority.

Whether that was conservatives, liberals, ndp, bloc, green, whatever.. that's not truly democratic and representative of the votes that were passed through.

So, this will be something inevitably changes the more exposure it gets.

But that's not the way the system works!

 

[mentalfloss]

But that's not the way the system works!

I know. But we want a better democracy, so it will eventually have to change. Australia's already making headlines supported by their people for a change to a proportional democracy.

Australia's two-party system is increasingly dysfunctional. It cannot even achieve parliamentary majorities where they exist and are badly needed, such as the wrangle over dealing with climate change, where carping about the carbon tax replaces real debate about policy, and the mining super profits tax, which was diluted after a concerted advertising campaign by mining companies.

With no imperative to seize or keep power, these measures would most likely have passed through parliament by now.

In Europe, 21 of 28 countries use proportional representation, including Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland.

constitution|politics|proportional representation|

 

[captain morgan]

Jack Layton the leader of the new opposition likes sex in massage parlors, that's cool! ;-)

Didn't you pick-up on that message Johnny?.. Jack was plying the message that we should all vote for Hope... He just never mentioned that Hope was his rub-'n-tug therapist.

 

[mentalfloss]

Poor social conservatives. If everything holds, you're the real losers in all of this.

Or are you?

We shall see!

 

[petros]

I wouldn't be jumping for joy just yet. Somebody owes us a budget.

 

[captain morgan]

Must be a cultural shock to have a real majority rules democracy finally. Two parties give you a majority, not 3,4 or more.

You can easily tell which folks that this is a shock for Ironsides; by in large, they are the ones that whine about proportional representation - but only after their party is handed their asses.

 

[Icarus27k]

I advise the Canadian left to wait a couple of months, and then take to the streets demanding that you have your government given back to you from the tyrant in charge.

That's how it's supposed to go.

 

[mentalfloss]

You can easily tell which folks that this is a shock for Ironsides; by in large, they are the ones that whine about proportional representation - but only after their party is handed their asses.

If you were a true Canadian, you would be whining about proportional representation, regardless of who won.

 

[captain morgan]

If you were a true Canadian, you would be whining about proportional representation, regardless of who won.

Why not take it one step further and have regional representation, each province having one seat with an equal voice in the house?