"Normal" deficit spending of the type that any government does during a recession is one thing. What Obama is doing (bailing out corporations that go bankrupt anyway, creating $trillions out of thin air and borrowing an equal amount is extreme to say the least. That on top of the very real problems in the ecnomy that haven't been addressed is a lethal combination. As I said above, the amount of debt now burdening the US cannot be repaid. What will happen when all of it is defaulted on? And it will be, if not now then in the near future.You make a good point, Extrafire, debt (and deficit) indeed is a big problem, and that is where the unstoppable object may hit the immovable wall. Deficit problem must be tackled at some stage. However, now is not the time to tackle it.
Government leaders are saying so, and some economists and bankers. But then they have to be optimistic in public. Personally, I can't believe that the economists who couldn't see the crash coming are now able to see the recovery. There were quite a few upticks during the slide last winter when the same people predicted that the worst was over.There are tentative signs that economy may be stabilizing, the worst may be over.
I said "if" he implements it. We can only hope that the Senate will show some sanity and quash it.But don't hold your breath; if he's dumb enough to implement that cap and trade tax, the result from that alone will be catastrophic.
Now here I disagree with you. First, there are no indications that cap and trade will pass, I understand it is in trouble in the Senate.
One of the many things I (and many conservatives) disliked about McCain.Second, even if it is passed, I don’t’ see anything catastrophic about it, it probably will stimulate green jobs. Incidentally, even if McCain had been elected, cap and trade would still have passed, he was a supporter of cap and trade.
Somewhere I have a quote from an article about Spains experience with "green" jobs but I can't lay my hands on it right now. If memory serves, for every green job created it cost two conventional jobs and 2 million dollars.
Here's an example of the kind of people that profit from "green" jobs.
Lawrence Solomon: Enron's other secret - FP CommentThe climate-change industry — the scientists, lawyers, consultants, lobbyists and, most importantly, the multinationals that work behind the scenes to cash in on the riches at stake — has emerged as the world’s largest industry. Virtually every resident in the developed world feels the bite of this industry, often unknowingly, through the hidden surcharges on their food bills, their gas and electricity rates, their gasoline purchases, their automobiles, their garbage collection, their insurance, their computers purchases, their hotels, their purchases of just about every good and service, in fact, and finally, their taxes to governments at all levels.
These extractions do not happen by accident. Every penny that leaves the hands of consumers does so by design, the final step in elaborate and often brilliant orchestrations of public policy, all the more brilliant because the public, for the most part, does not know who is profiteering on climate change, or who is aiding and abetting the profiteers.
Some of the climate-change profiteers are relatively unknown corporations; others are household names with only their behind-the-scenes role in the climate-change industry unknown. Over the next few weeks, in an extended newspaper series, you will become familiar with some of the profiteers, and with their machinations. This series begins with Enron, a pioneer in the climate-change industry.
The first in a series by Lawrence Solomon.
And creating jobs in itself isn't necessarily a good thing. Increasing employment to produce the same amount of goods or services increases costs to the consumer, making the populace generally poorer. The people who put out this info think that's a good thing, thus demonstrating their complete lack of understanding of economics.
RPIC - Renewable Power - the Intelligent ChoiceTo produce 1000 Giga-Watt hours of electricity per
year creates:
542 jobs with wind
248 jobs with solar thermal
116 jobs with coal and
only 100 jobs with nuclear fission
And to see what would happen to the US, all one has to do is look and what's going on in loony California.
California: Harbinger of National Doom? | Columns | theTrumpet.comCalifornia: Harbinger of National Doom?
If you were given the perfect country, could you mess it up as bad as California? Begin with fertile, productive, well-irrigated soils capable of growing just about anything. Add vast agricultural tracts and miles upon miles of wine country with lush, bountiful vineyards. Include majestic mountain ranges containing rich deposits of gold, silver and other useful metals, and covered with thick, immense forests with every type of timber imaginable. Toss in critical navigable rivers to move these resources to market. Insert vast oil and natural gas deposits while you are at it, along with wind, water, geothermal and solar resources. Give it a long coastline with beautiful beaches, plentiful fresh water, ocean fisheries, many natural harbors, a well-connected transportation grid with first-class roads, rails and airports too. Don’t forget universities at the cutting edge of technology and an unparalleled educational system.
Bestow all the natural building blocks necessary for a well-balanced, diversified, leading economy that is virtually guaranteed to bring unparalleled prosperity to your people—a smorgasbord of natural blessings. Then on top of it all, throw in days spent skiing at sunrise on Lake Tahoe and swimming at sunset in San Francisco the same day. This is the Golden State.
Yet California is imploding. And it is dragging the rest of the country with it.
California is home to America’s leading manufacturing belt, the nation’s largest high-tech center (Silicon Valley), and one of its most productive agricultural areas (the Central Valley). As a stand-alone economy, it is bigger than Canada, Brazil, India and even Russia. It is also the most populous state, with one in eight Americans calling California home.
But just look at the next headline you see that says “California.” Whether it’s an article on finance, economics, government, crime, morals or some other subject, the glaring question is: What went wrong?
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A crisis of another sort is strangling Californian industries. California has some of the most progressive environmental laws in the world. It needs environmental laws, because vast swaths of the state are a polluted mess.
However, misdirected and poorly timed environmentalism is also inhibiting job growth and sending jobs out of state—as well as out of country.
The New York Times reports that Californian businesses are being slammed by new requirements to curb carbon dioxide emissions at a time when they are already struggling to survive in a very tough economy. In 2006, the state passed laws to curb carbon dioxide emissions from all economic sectors, including transportation, manufacturing and real-estate development. The result: People are paying more to travel and make purchases, manufacturers are moving out of state or to places like China (taking jobs with them), and just look at the real-estate industry.
CalPortland’s formerly profitable Mount Slover limestone cement facility is a powerful example. The state of California says the company must reduce carbon dioxide emissions by 12 percent per ton of cement. The company estimates that to retrofit its operations will cost in excess of $220 million—for just one plant. But there is not nearly enough limestone in its quarry to justify such an expense. The result is that the plant, which has produced cement for over 100 years, will probably be shut down. People will be laid off, and the state will take a tax revenue hit. Future shipments of cement will probably be imported from Mexico.
Every manufacturer across the state will be subject to what is essentially a massive carbon tax. So multiply CalPortland’s problems by the thousands.
On June 18, the New York Times gave another example of environmental activism gone awry. Apparently, unions are exploiting environmental laws to blackmail companies into signing labor agreements and becoming unionized. The latest developments in this regard are taking place in the solar energy field.
To reduce California’s dependence on polluting-but-inexpensive fossil fuels, which it has in abundance, state legislators decided they would promote solar power plant construction. However, an unpredicted turn of events has resulted. Laws designed to protect the environment are being used to hold up projects designed to help the environment. How so? California’s giant worker unions want a foot in the door.
If a company proposes to build a plant, but does not agree to be unionized, unions inundate the company with demands to study the effect of their proposed project on all kinds of endangered creatures, from the short-nosed kangaroo rat to the Delhi Sands flower-loving fly. The studies add hundreds of thousands of dollars and years of delay to a development plan—if the plans pass at all, since the unions are sure to produce their own scientists at public hearings.
Not only are Californians forced to pay the higher cost of solar energy, but they are forced to pay the higher cost of union labor when the plants are constructed and operated. The unions get their plants and union jobs, or else Californians get no jobs at all.
All this environmental regulation and strangulation couldn’t come at a much worse time for California.