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See? The automobile will never replace the horse!
 

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Here is a comparison that should illustrate the increasing pace of change.

IN 1973 the average semi got about 5.6 miles/ gallon

Today the average semi gets about 6.5 miles/gallon.

So in 40 years fuel efficiency improved by 0.9 miles/gallon

Volvo just rolled out a truck that gets 12+ miles/gallon.

that is in improvement of 5+ miles/gal
 

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A strong diesel engine with transmission can produce ft lbs of torque from here to Sunday... That said, not very surprised that this new Volvo diesel engine can do exactly that
The point is that technology and science are not slowing down - they are ramping up in a fashion never seen before.
 

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Better fuel mileage is a good thing a lot more vehicles on the roads today, so even with 50% better mileage, still higher demand for fuel. it'll be at least 10 years before we see any ceiling.
 

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Here is a comparison that should illustrate the increasing pace of change.

IN 1973 the average semi got about 5.6 miles/ gallon

Today the average semi gets about 6.5 miles/gallon.

So in 40 years fuel efficiency improved by 0.9 miles/gallon

Volvo just rolled out a truck that gets 12+ miles/gallon.

that is in improvement of 5+ miles/gal

How many more tonnes can the modern truck haul compared to 1973?

A strong diesel engine with transmission can produce ft lbs of torque from here to Sunday... That said, not very surprised that this new Volvo diesel engine can do exactly that

There is a saying in racing. HP is has fast you hit the fence, torque is how far you carry the fence with you.
 

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So you find out that semi truck gas mileage has just doubled (plus) over night and that's your question?

I have no idea about the hauling capacity of trucks in 1973 versus 2017. But I know Volvo makes the best truck on the road and that they just body slammed every other maker on eEarth.
 

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Yup. If a new truck carries twice the load with an entire second truck off the road and 1 mpg better then that is doubling efficiency +1 mpg.

Get it?
 

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Yup. If a new truck carries twice the load with an entire second truck off the road and 1 mpg better then that is doubling efficiency +1 mpg.

Get it?

Except load capacities have not doubled since 1973.

Does that matter to your argument?
 

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So you find out that semi truck gas mileage has just doubled (plus) over night and that's your question?

I have no idea about the hauling capacity of trucks in 1973 versus 2017. But I know Volvo makes the best truck on the road and that they just body slammed every other maker on eEarth.

Undermining your entire position is the reality that Volvo engines still require hydrocarbons to operate, and make no mistake, there is no way that any large corp would invest in and market any expensive tech that they thought would be obsolete in the near future.

... Better get comfy in terms of settling into an oil-dependent society for the next foreseeable while
 

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Yes the fact that they require much much less fuel to operate undermines my entire position that oil is in decline and we should be doing all we can do to reduce our dependence on it.

Ouch!
 

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Vehicles have been becoming more and more fuel efficient ever since Henry Ford started producing them and despite your need to convince yourself that oil is in decline, major producers like OPEC (who are all behind renewables btw) have stated that it will be decades before EVs and whatnot make a dent.

.... this isn't about what side of the ideological fence you sit on, it's about reality. So many folks have made the same statements as yourself, and these very same people remain tied to oil despite the option to disassociate.

In the end, it's all about economic options and that seems to be the common denominator that we all share
 

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Vehicles have been becoming more and more fuel efficient ever since Henry Ford started producing them and despite your need to convince yourself that oil is in decline, major producers like OPEC (who are all behind renewables btw) have stated that it will be decades before EVs and whatnot make a dent.

Yes tractor trailer mileage improved by almost one mile per gallon between 1973 and last week.

Every tractor trailer in North America being 70% more fuel efficient is nothing - is that your considered opinion?
 

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Yes tractor trailer mileage improved by almost one mile per gallon between 1973 and last week.

Every tractor trailer in North America being 70% more fuel efficient is nothing - is that your considered opinion?

My considered opinion is simply stating the fact that fuel efficiency has risen every since the first vehicle came off the assembly line.

is it your professional assessment that because Volvo has further developed efficiencies on the internal combustion engine that oil is now obsolete?
 

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what are you talking about? The fuel efficiency of semis has increased by one mile per gallon in 40 plus years.

volvo just invented a truck that increases fuel efficiency by 6 miles per gallon. That is 240 years worth of progress.

BTW if you were to have looked into this Volvo truck you would understand that improving the efficiency of the internal combustion engine is only one aspect of the technology.

They reduced the weight of the truck by something like 3,000 lbs by using things like carbon fiber.

They made tremendous advances in aerodynamic design - I think they are saying that you can retrofit one of their non hybrid engine trucks with the new bumper/front end and get a 30% gain in efficiency.

You are so fixated on arguing about gas and oil.