We're all DOOMED
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That's the kicker, ain't it?
The various greenie interest groups are quick to manipulate the stats and interpret a fraction of a tenth of a degree increase as absolute, irrefutable proof that we will be burning to a crisp.
Mind you, they aren't too quick to recognize that the Earth has one through many cold periods in the form of global ice ages.
Eco groups won't let that happen JLM. There will be no push to analyze the cost (in energy and CO2) to mfgr the stainless-steel wind turbines or solar panels, let alone install the necessary infrastructure to supply this miracle energy to the masses.
Fact is, at this point, this technology relies heavily on gvt subsidies to operate. It really makes you wonder why all of the proponents of clean energy aren't putting their money where their mouth is and supporting this tech by paying the real price for the energy.
Check out the climate stats and ocean temps from 1934 to 1939. You'll notice we've seen this before and we know why it happens.
Is it really your contention that man's activity has no effect on climate? None at all?
If so, can you explain how that is possible?
If so, can you explain how that is possible?
I would say very little and temporary. Mother Nature over time will negate any damage done by man.
No doubt. Almost every argument that is being thrown-out by the eco-interest groups are reflections of the same cyclical forces that have existed for millenia.
At this point, there are too many people/groups that have painted themselves into a corner and are unwilling to recognize reality as their pride won't allow it... Kinda funny really.
Mammoth and whales caused glaciation. When the mammoths died off the Wisconsonian ended. Then Noah set out in his Biblical whaler and it got even warmer and wetter. It's just polar bears that stand in the way of a balanced mild climate for all of the planet.
They've been hammered so many times on these boards about the science of this issue that they've reverted to senile one-liners. Pretty funny, but mostly pathetic and sad - just like our current government on this issue.
It looks like Australia has beaten us to the punch.
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Canada's climate stance likely to spark controversy
Canada expects to face international pressure at upcoming climate change talks over its refusal to sign on for a second commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol, Environment Minister Peter Kent says.
In 2009, United Nations climate change talks led to the creation of the Copenhagen Accord, a non-binding agreement by both developing and industrialized nations to set new targets for the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.
Kent said Canada's new commitments under that agreement were deliberately harmonized with those of the U.S., which "makes sense given the integrated nature of our respective economies and environments."
"As a Government, our principal job is to make the best decisions possible for Canada and Canada’s specific environmental, economic and social context," he added.
Carbon tax
In response to questions from the audience, Kent reiterated the federal government's position against imposing a carbon tax in Canada such as the one passed by Australia's Senate on Tuesday. He added that the government also doesn't believe in systems that allow for the capping and trading of emissions "where so many countries have met their commitments by merely buying hot air from depressed Eastern European economies."
Kent also used his speech Tuesday to announce $148.8 million over five years for climate change adaptation, to be distributed through 10 programs in nine departments. That will allow those programs to continue and in some cases, expand.
Under the Kyoto Protocol, Canada committed to reducing its greenhouse gas emissions to six per cent below 1990 levels by 2012. This past October, Scott Vaughan, federal commissioner of the environment and sustainable development, reported that he thinks "it's next to impossible that Canada is going to be able to reach its Kyoto target."
Under the Copenhagen Accord, Canada committed to reducing emissions by 17 per cent below its 2005 level by 2020. Kent said Tuesday that Canada is about 25 per cent of the way to its target.
A report released earlier this week by the Geneva-based International institute for Sustainable Development said that with the help of provincial programs, Canada is about halfway to that goal. In order to make up the difference, it suggested introducing emissions targets for industries it hadn't intended to regulate and establishing a domestic program in which companies would purchase offsets when they can't meet their targets.
Canada's climate stance likely to spark controversy - Technology & Science - CBC News
The polar bears are indeed a major cause of AGW, but let's not forget the Harp seals, especially the baby ones.
Maybe we ought to kick into the pot and buy Suzuki a hand-carved club so he can tackle the AGW issue head-on by clubbing the bears and seals... Hopefully he starts with the bears - I'd very much like to see the results.
Enough for them to comfortably afford a carbon tax. Just like us.
And btw, other major carbon emitters are moving on this one.. just not Canada.
Is Australia acting ahead of others?
People often ask why should Australia act to reduce their carbon pollution when other countries are not. The reality is that many other countries have already made huge steps towards reducing their carbon output, and that includes developing nations like China. Countries have started this transformation to take advantage of the economic opportunities stemming from the next stage of global development that will be powered by clean energy.
A broad range of countries have introduced, or are planning, market based emissions trading schemes and carbon taxes. Australia’s top five trading partners—China, Japan, the United States (US), the Republic of Korea and India—and another six of our top twenty trading partners (New Zealand, the UK, Germany, Italy, France and the Netherlands) have implemented or are piloting carbon trading or taxation schemes at national, state or the city level. Many countries have renewable energy targets, including fourteen of Australia’s top twenty trading partners. Energy performance standards for appliances, buildings and industrial plants, as well as incentives for the use and development of low emission products and technologies are now widespread.
In fact, China has pledged to quadruple its current investment of almost $50 billion per year on renewables with the aim of reaching a total of 500GW of renewable energy output by 2020. Right now, China already has 44.7GW of wind energy production (we have a little more than 1Gw). In fact, of all energy infrastructure built in China over the course of 2010, 26% of it is renewable!
The European Union enacted an emissions trading scheme in 2005 which places a cap on the amount of carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide that can be emitted by big polluters. It operates in the 27 EU member states as well as Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway and covers power stations, combustion plants, oil refineries and iron and steel works, as well as factories making cement, glass, lime, bricks, ceramics, pulp, paper and board. Their current target is a 21% cut of 2005 emissions by 2025 (Australia’s is a 5% cut of 2000 emissions by 2020). Some EU nations have pledged even greater cuts to their emissions. The UK, for example, has pledged to cut 50% of its 1990-level emissions by 2025.
Is Australia acting ahead of others? | Carbon Tax | The Facts about the Carbon Tax
We are getting our ass handed to us environmentally and economically.
And btw, other major carbon emitters are moving on this one.. just not Canada.
Is Australia acting ahead of others?
People often ask why should Australia act to reduce their carbon pollution when other countries are not. The reality is that many other countries have already made huge steps towards reducing their carbon output, and that includes developing nations like China. Countries have started this transformation to take advantage of the economic opportunities stemming from the next stage of global development that will be powered by clean energy.
A broad range of countries have introduced, or are planning, market based emissions trading schemes and carbon taxes. Australia’s top five trading partners—China, Japan, the United States (US), the Republic of Korea and India—and another six of our top twenty trading partners (New Zealand, the UK, Germany, Italy, France and the Netherlands) have implemented or are piloting carbon trading or taxation schemes at national, state or the city level. Many countries have renewable energy targets, including fourteen of Australia’s top twenty trading partners. Energy performance standards for appliances, buildings and industrial plants, as well as incentives for the use and development of low emission products and technologies are now widespread.
In fact, China has pledged to quadruple its current investment of almost $50 billion per year on renewables with the aim of reaching a total of 500GW of renewable energy output by 2020. Right now, China already has 44.7GW of wind energy production (we have a little more than 1Gw). In fact, of all energy infrastructure built in China over the course of 2010, 26% of it is renewable!
The European Union enacted an emissions trading scheme in 2005 which places a cap on the amount of carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide that can be emitted by big polluters. It operates in the 27 EU member states as well as Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway and covers power stations, combustion plants, oil refineries and iron and steel works, as well as factories making cement, glass, lime, bricks, ceramics, pulp, paper and board. Their current target is a 21% cut of 2005 emissions by 2025 (Australia’s is a 5% cut of 2000 emissions by 2020). Some EU nations have pledged even greater cuts to their emissions. The UK, for example, has pledged to cut 50% of its 1990-level emissions by 2025.
Is Australia acting ahead of others? | Carbon Tax | The Facts about the Carbon Tax
We are getting our ass handed to us environmentally and economically.
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Every watt of power China creates for it's rural eras saves immense amount of petroleum and bio-mass being burned very inefficiently.. If we even had 10% of their rail system we'd be miles ahead. For some dumb ass reason ours was torn apart.
You must be confusing one person with an entire nation again. Loc has the same problem.
I can post the wiki links again for you if you need it.
Yes, but it's also been stated that every word we utter starts up an air wave that never completely diminishes! :smile:
The good thing about a carbon tax is that the revenues can go toward whatever environmental endeavour is best. So we can tailor that initiative contingent upon our need at the time.
So, the message I hear is that it's important, but just not important enough for you (as an individual) to jump into the water.
Gotcha
I want to hear more about how man thinks it's going to pull off this "Geo-engineering" **** without a global government, currency, central bank, and socio-political system that we'll be happy in.