Weather Channel Founder: Sue Al Gore for Fraud

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Ties in quite nicely with the thread 'Greatest Scam':



The founder of the Weather Channel wants to sue Al Gore for fraud, hoping a legal debate will settle the global-warming debate once and for all.
John Coleman, who founded the cable network in 1982, suggests suing for fraud proponents of global warming, including Al Gore, and companies that sell carbon credits.
"Is he committing financial fraud? That is the question," Coleman said.
"Since we can't get a debate, I thought perhaps if we had a legal challenge and went into a court of law, where it was our scientists and their scientists, and all the legal proceedings with the discovery and all their documents from both sides and scientific testimony from both sides, we could finally get a good solid debate on the issue," Coleman said. "I'm confident that the advocates of 'no significant effect from carbon dioxide' would win the case."

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Frig.... why is the world so slow?

.... "As you look at the atmosphere over the last 25 years, there's been perhaps a degree of warming, perhaps probably a whole lot less than that, and the last year has been so cold that that's been erased," he said.

"I think if we continue the cooling trend a couple of more years, the general public will at last begin to realize that they've been scammed on this global-warming thing."
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Hello?! It doesn't take a rocket monkey to figure this one out...... Oh but because Gore made a movie and the UN had their little science picnic (At who's expense was that) and the carbon tax BS.... cripes people, get your heads out of the sand, start thinking for yourselves, and you might not get suckered into this short of crap next time.

And even at the remote chance they're right about Global Warming's existence, their own studies which I followed, which I used to believe before it became main stream, all point to it being too late to do a licking thing about Global Warming (If it existed) and all this money grabbing from fears that is going on won't change the effect, we'd still be screwed and we blew all our money on these idiot's promises.

Told ya so! People will swindle anything that can think of, and this was one of them.

If the courts find that Gore commited fraud, he should be executed..... send him back to nature and drop a tree on him, then let the animals feast on his innards or something.

....... Coleman has long been a skeptic of global warming, and carbon dioxide is the linchpin to his argument.
"Does carbon dioxide cause a warming of the atmosphere? The proponents of global warming pin their whole piece on that," he said.

The compound carbon dioxide makes up only 38 out of every 100,000 particles in the atmosphere, he said.

"That's about twice as what there were in the atmosphere in the time we started burning fossil fuels, so it's gone up, but it's still a tiny compound," Coleman said. "So how can that tiny trace compound have such a significant effect on temperature?

"My position is it can't," he continued. "It doesn't, and the whole case for global warming is based on a fallacy."
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Al Gore is not an Environmental Expert... David Suzuki is not an expert on Environmental/Climate Changes even though he likes to think he is..... he studied Zoology and Genetics. Al Gore and David are about as expert on Climate Change as you or I are.
 
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Here are more reasons the AGW's want us to believe their fear-mongering.
Neo-Malthusians to the left of us, neo-Malthusians to the… even further left of us

Still planning world domination, we see, presumably with themselves as rulers of the world. If they get control of energy supplies via the ridiculous construct of "global warming" they’ll be quite well advanced in their global coup.
Mankind at the Turning Point ​


The Club of Rome is a premiere think tank composed of approximately 100 members including leading scientists, philosophers, political advisors and many other characters who lurk in the shadows of power. This series of articles describes the major conclusions of the 1974 book Mankind at the Turning Point: The Second Report to The Club of Rome.
Part 1 describes their desire for the development of a totalitarian world system presented under the euphemism of an "organic society". Part 2 describes the need to create a new value system to ensure the acceptance of the upcoming world government. This new value system will be based on a "world consciousness." The final article in this series describes a planned world economy as called for in Mankind at the Turning Point.
Brent Jessop describes gorebull warming as an extention of The Club of Rome’s activities here.
 
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and of course...a TV weatherman would be the ultimate authority on Global Warming.

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I guess the detractors of Global Warming are getting desperate to shut people up.
 
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He has a point though. It's hit the point where they're lobbing blows back and forth, but not getting together and really truly figuring it out.

It should be figured out by now for crying out loud. With the amount of science available to us, it shouldn't be a DEBATE... it should be FACT. The bouncing back and forth... global warming, global cooling... has hit the point of ridiculous, and it's making the average citizen, who KNOWS that we need to stop environtmental damage regardless of what its effect is, jaded to the whole attempt to stop poisoning ourselves.
 
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Nothing in reality is cut-and-dried, black-or-white, for-us-or-against-us. Global warming/no global warming.... Maybe it is; maybe it isn't. None of us are going to be here in the ten thousand years it takes to know. It's an earth cycle - like the tides. When is man ever going to learn to be in harmony with Earth?

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gerryh said:
and of course...a TV weatherman would be the ultimate authority on Global Warming.

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Hmmm.... someone who founded an entire channel on weather related matters, which millions have used for daily weather information since 1982, compared to a vice president everybody thought was too boring to lead the nation, got conned out of the elections by Bush, and another guy (Suzuki) who got on his high horse in a University and called for the students to find a way to jail our political leaders for not taking action to what he and Gore dictated as "The Truth" and freaked out of a radio interview when ligit questions about Climate Change/Global Warming came up that he didn't like or want to answer, thereby classifying himself as a wing nut in my books.....

Hmmmmm.... One who not only has been providing our weather information for over 20 years, an expert who specializes in weather related matters, and brings logical and factual information to the table which seems like a strong case... compared to two guys who never officially taken any training or education in the same matters telling us their "Expert Opinions" on the matter.

Gee.... who would I think has more reliability? I guess whoever can get the most media coverage. But if that's the case, then Gore and Suzuki still loose, since this guy has an entire channel on his resume for so long. :p
 
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So, if buyer beware goes out the window, does that mean we should also sue electric generating utilities for their claims of 'clean coal'?

Is Coleman someone who purchased Gore's credits? I doubt it. Why don't we hear these cries from those who actually have purchased the credits? If he's so sure, why doesn't he buy the credits himself then sue?

Can he forecast the future legal outcomes as well as he can forecast Friday's weather on Monday? Probably why he's all talk, and very little substance.
 
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I can't believe that some people still think there is a question as to whether there is global warming or not. That global temperatures are rising is beyond doubt. Anyone who has regularly flown over the northern Arctic will tell you that the permanent ice is shrinking every year. I can see there are still dopes around who don't know the difference between weather and climate, but there is no confusion among meteorologists and climatologists. Global warming is a nasty fact that we all will have to address at some point.
 
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#juan said:
I can't believe that some people still think there is a question as to whether there is global warming or not. That global temperatures are rising is beyond doubt. Anyone who has regularly flown over the northern Arctic will tell you that the permanent ice is shrinking every year. I can see there are still dopes around who don't know the difference between weather and climate, but there is no confusion among meteorologists and climatologists. Global warming is a nasty fact that we all will have to address at some point.
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Clearly it isn't Fact, since you have different sides still debating it and both sides "Seem" to have logical explinations to back up both.

And regardless of Meteorologists and Climatologists.... Gore and Suzuki are neither, yet people still seem to follow everything they claim as the big spoksmen of the whole vision of GW.

Besides just referring to this year's winter, I also posted a day or so ago next years rough forcasts:

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/72164-environment-canadas-sneak-peek-next.html

The early projection is calling for normal temperatures and above-normal amounts of precipitation for most of the country, although southern Ontario communities — with the exception of Ottawa — are forecast to get warmer than normal weather.

The territories and large chunks of British Columbia and Quebec are looking to be colder than normal, and only about a quarter of the communities for which Environment Canada has forecasts are expected to get less rain and snow than normal.

.......Environment Canada is a lot more confident about its forecast for the start of spring over the next month, and is calling for below-normal temperatures across the country.

Through May, the forecast is colder than normal for the territories, the provinces west of Ontario, Newfoundland and Labrador, and in the northern half of Quebec.

Most of the country is also expected to get above-average amounts of rain or snow.
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So if this prediction becomes true, that will be two years in a row that contradict their predictions.... and as trivial as you may think it is for two years out of the collective increases of temps around the world in the so-called Global Warming explination, these will have a factor in what occurs in the next couple of years to follow still.

And yet when I also bring up other factors that don't seem to be addressed by Global Warming Wing Nuts (The temprature increases and drops over the last couple of thousands of years, sometimes even higher then they are now, long before we began burning fossil fuels - Hurricanes) they still get avoided and they supply no counter argument to disprove the questions I present..... therefore they have no clue, or they do and refuse to address... either way I don't say how high when someone tells me to jump.

I'm someone who's easily convienced one way or another on just about any subject, so long as one side can present a logical explination for their position. If they don't then they can take off eh. Fear mongering isn't going to make me change my life.

The moment these Global Warming people can explain to me why tempratures recorded farther back then the turn of the century shot up higher then they are today and even dropped at some points lower then what we've experienced in our lifetimes..... then I might start believing what they're telling us.

Until then, they can all suck a lemon.
 
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There is no doubt global temperatures are rising. It was rising twelve thousand years ago when the Laurentide ice sheet left the Great Lakes Basin behind too. It will continue to rise for another few milenia. Eventually, mean average temperatures will begin to fall again. Has man added to it? Probably. Can we know to how much of an extent? No. Can we stop it? Can we stop the tides? Can we make the sun rise in the west? What will we wreck if we could stop it?

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Clearly it isn't Fact, since you have different sides still debating it and both sides "Seem" to have logical explinations to back up both.
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Well, global warming is a climate issue, and climate at the very least is the average weather trend over a time not less than 30 years. So, based on that, what logical explanation is there against global warming?

And regardless of Meteorologists and Climatologists.... Gore and Suzuki are neither, yet people still seem to follow everything they claim as the big spoksmen of the whole vision of GW.
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Suzuki didn't appear in this thread until you brought it up. For that reason, it's a straw man.

Further still, some people follow everything in the media that purports to show that AGW is a farce, without actually doing any leg work to check the validity of the talking points they repeat ad nauseum. That's as faulty as solely following the work of Gore or Suzuki.

So if this prediction becomes true, that will be two years in a row that contradict their predictions.... and as trivial as you may think it is for two years out of the collective increases of temps around the world in the so-called Global Warming explination, these will have a factor in what occurs in the next couple of years to follow still.
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And here is a perfect example. Weather is variable. The current dynamics of our climate include a solar minimum and a strong La Nina. Yet it's not the coldest winter, in fact it's the sixteenth warmest winter in the temperature record.

The predictions are for a continued warming trend, not some linear record. That doesn't contradict anything. That's what weather is, variable.

And yet when I also bring up other factors that don't seem to be addressed by Global Warming Wing Nuts (The temprature increases and drops over the last couple of thousands of years, sometimes even higher then they are now, long before we began burning fossil fuels - Hurricanes) they still get avoided and they supply no counter argument to disprove the questions I present..... therefore they have no clue, or they do and refuse to address... either way I don't say how high when someone tells me to jump.
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Well I'll have a crack at it. Yes, there have been increases and drops, just like we see now. That means what, that the climate still reacts in the same way it always has, this is news to you? The temperature record also shows that in the past, carbon dioxide begins to rise after long sustained increases in temperature, on the order of a thousand years or so. But for some odd reason, that pattern is now absent. Curiouser and curiouser.....

The moment these Global Warming people can explain to me why tempratures recorded farther back then the turn of the century shot up higher then they are today and even dropped at some points lower then what we've experienced in our lifetimes..... then I might start believing what they're telling us.
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Exactly which period are you referring to? When in this interglacial have the temperatures shot up higher than they are now?

The mistake you seem to be making, is that for some reason you think that AGW means that the climate will react differently than it has in the past. The laws of physics don't work that way, and that certainly isn't anything that greenhouse theory predicts. No serious person claims the sun cycles don't play a factor, no serious person says that cycles like the Pacific decadal oscillation will stop, or that winters will disappear, that's all accounted for.


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Kinda off topic, but I highly recommend you watch the South Park episode titles "ManBearPig". It basically makes farce of all the sides in the global warming debate and Al Gore stars in it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manbearpig
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Super serial!
 
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Does this mean I can sue the weather channel for getting the forcast wrong?



....oh and btw.....ewww!
 
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