'We will tone you down,' Chavez warns news channel

[Zzarchov]

Those approval ratings are still lower than Bush had previously enjoyed Juan.

it was as high as 62% previously, so I'd say that your statement is more than a little hyperbole.

In your case, 42% (about) of Venezualans want the president dead (as shown by recent violence).

Thats 11,646,783 Venezualans who want him dead. Thats not a "clear majority"

 

[wallyj]

Juan,your head is in the clouds,the ones way over on the left of the sky.The people are rioting in the streets. Inflation is rampant. If there is another election,Chavez will probably take over 99% of the vote,just like fidel always has complete support of his people.Of course,you have to disregard the fact that speaking against the gov't tends to make one vanish. He has closed the TV stations that he doesn't like. The next step is kick out the foreign press,watch for it. Why are you so obsessed with Bush? He has about as much to do with this mess as Harper. BTW, the big bad Bush announced today that he will be pushing for sanctions against Sudan. You know,Darfur,that trouble spot that layton has been saying we should be focusing on instead of Afghanistan. I'm sure you are now rethinking your opinion of Georgie boy.Don't wait for any paper in Canada to do a story on it though.

 

[gc]

Come on lefties, get out there and defend these brown-shirt tactics.

Please don't base your opinion of lefties on the likes of Chavez, and I promise I won't base my opinion of righties on the likes of Pat Robertson. Deal? :smile:

 

[gc]

I heard that one of the stations Chavez shut down called for his assassination, and I've also heard it was involved in an attempted coup against him. Is this true?

 

[wallyj]

The station called for his ouster. It was very critical of his policies.Something like the cbc and thier take on Harper. I don't know about calling for his death. Even if that is true,then charges should be laid. Not the complete shutdown of the station. Don't forget that the next most popular station now has it's content controlled by the gov't. Just like CTV. OMG,just like Canada.Anyways,I do hope I am wrong,but I am afraid that I am right.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

ah, a refresher maybe? http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/CineastePanamaDeception.html

aha! now i remember..ta very much.

 

[gc]

The station called for his ouster. It was very critical of his policies.Something like the cbc and thier take on Harper. I don't know about calling for his death. Even if that is true,then charges should be laid. Not the complete shutdown of the station. Don't forget that the next most popular station now has it's content controlled by the gov't. Just like CTV. OMG,just like Canada.Anyways,I do hope I am wrong,but I am afraid that I am right.

If a news source in Canada, like CTV or the Globe and Mail, openly advocated for the assassination of Harper, wouldn't they be shut down?

(assuming that is actually true in Chavez's case)

 

[#juan]

Those approval ratings are still lower than Bush had previously enjoyed Juan.

it was as high as 62% previously, so I'd say that your statement is more than a little hyperbole.

In your case, 42% (about) of Venezualans want the president dead (as shown by recent violence).

Thats 11,646,783 Venezualans who want him dead. Thats not a "clear majority"

When was the last time Bush had a 62 percent approval rating? Why are you assuming that all those people want Chavez dead? I will agree that Chavez doesn't have the support of a hundred percent of the people but of those who voted in the last election, he has a majority.

 

[Zzarchov]

The same thing is true of Bush.

Yet you demonize one and whitewash the sins of the other. And all of his totalitarian and agressive tendancies are still less than Chavez.

So if Chavez is great because of popular support for his policies (regardless of how oppressive and draconian they are) then you must agree Bush is even better as his policies are less oppressive and draconian (even if still oppressive and draconian)

 

[gopher]

Yep. Hugo Chavez, a real Hero of the People, the darling of the know-nothing left.......

Come on lefties, get out there and defend these brown-shirt tactics. I mean, the dictatorship of the proletariat is, after all, a necessary step on the road to true communal bliss.

The Gulags are next of course.

The silence is deafening.

Yeah, like he bombed al-Jazeera in order to silence it the way Bush did.

LOL!!

 

[gopher]

When was the last time Bush had a 62 percent approval rating? Why are you assuming that all those people want Chavez dead? I will agree that Chavez doesn't have the support of a hundred percent of the people but of those who voted in the last election, he has a majority.

It's called Republican wishful thinking.:lol:

 

[Zzarchov]

Well he had it in Pre 9/11 , April 2001

He also had it post 9/11

He also had fairly high on the last election (that is how he won)


History did exist before 6 months ago. Though I fail to see what popular opinion proves, Hitler was loved by all and viewed as a living saint. Anti-Nazi propaganda by the allies would never mention hitler because it was counter productive, most claimed the generals were incompentant and ruining Hitlers visions for a prosperous germany, he was that loved. Thus to foster desertions in the Army, allied leaflets actually had to be pro-hitler most times, or it wouldn't work. Thats popular support.


Being a despot is not incompatible with being loved by the majority, when everyone who dislikes you dies or disappears, its not surpising when you have high approval ratings.

As for why would I assume they want him dead? Ida know, maybe the ATTEMPTED COUP WITH THE SUPPORT OF 40% of the populace.

When 11 million people out of some 25+ million revolt you are not a good person.

 

[DurkaDurka]

The one main reason I would like to see North America loosen it's dependancy on foreign oil is so I don't have ever have to contribute a cent to these ****hole countries again, let the socialist revolutions starve and die.

 

[#juan]

The same thing is true of Bush.

Yet you demonize one and whitewash the sins of the other. And all of his totalitarian and agressive tendancies are still less than Chavez.

So if Chavez is great because of popular support for his policies (regardless of how oppressive and draconian they are) then you must agree Bush is even better as his policies are less oppressive and draconian (even if still oppressive and draconian)

It all depends on your point of view. Do you think Bush's foreign policies are popular in Iraq? Are they popular anywhere in the world? Bush is the most universally hated leader in the world today. I don't demonize Bush, he does it all by his self.

 

[gc]

This is probably what I was thinking of:

"He accused Globovision of trying to incite his assassination and of misreporting protests over the closure of RCTV in a manner that could whip up a situation similar to the coup attempt against him in 2002."

"Chavez has had a long-running feud with opposition television channels, which openly supported a coup against him in April 2002 and refused to show the massive mobilization of his supporters that turned the tide back in the president's favor."

Link

I don't know what to believe anymore...

 

[Doryman]

Any leaders which are against the freedom of the press are no good in my books, but I don't think we should squander military forces trying to fix it. Let's take the French route, and let the place burn without lifting a finger.

 

[BitWhys]

Yep. Hugo Chavez, a real Hero of the People, the darling of the know-nothing left.......

Come on lefties, get out there and defend these brown-shirt tactics. I mean, the dictatorship of the proletariat is, after all, a necessary step on the road to true communal bliss.

The Gulags are next of course.

The silence is deafening.

Ever hear of Tolo TV in Afghanistan?

Harper cared about it just enough to use it to tell jokes about the CBC.

so you and your's can spare me the false indignation over "lefties".

 

[Colpy]

Ever hear of Tolo TV in Afghanistan?

Harper cared about it just enough to use it to tell jokes about the CBC.

so you and your's can spare me the false indignation over "lefties".

Never heard of it........

But, despite Harper's faults, I have not seen him or his cabinet shutting down broadcasters or newspapers that criticize him. Yet they earn the moniker "fascist" from you.

And Mr. Chavez?

Somewhat of a serious double standard I think.

 

[BitWhys]

Chavez is acting like a doink. Satisfied?

...But, despite Harper's faults, I have not seen him or his cabinet shutting down broadcasters or newspapers that criticize him. Yet they earn the moniker "fascist" from you...

Harper Claims Ignorance Of Beatings At Tolo TV

...
“I’ve just sort of heard about it,” the Prime Minister said, “I’m not aware of what the details are.”

Which is simply not true – skyreporter.com phoned the Prime Minister’s office two days earlier, about three hours after the Tolo TV raid took place, to ensure his staff was aware of the incident. A detailed email account was sent two hours later, followed by a further email and phone call the next day. And an article in the Ottawa Citizen Thursday morning - before the radio interview.
...
Mr. Harper continued: “President Karzai is constantly criticized in the media and in the national parliament. And look, as I told him, you have that and you don’t even have the CBC.” ...

IMO as a "leader" (heh) this makes him complicit.

 

[mabudon]

I imagine that the "legitimacy" of the Agghan elections makes it alright for Harper to understand the need to shut down the stations broadcasting the "bad guy perspective", whereas in Venezuela, Chavez IS the bad guy so stations calling for his assasination would be "good"

I think that's how it works, cos Harper saying that he understands it's important to control the message means he's pretty much given his trade-marked thumbs-up to what Chavez is proposing