WE really need to get rid of this guy

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Not sure how reliable the source is, but it's telling that Trudeau or his camp has never filed any kind of libel or slander lawsuit against the website.

It's bullshit, I looked into it a while back and there are no credible sources for the story.


I'm more concerned that the Federal Government saw fit to prorogue itself in the middle of a pandemic. WTF?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

It's bullshit, I looked into it a while back and there are no credible sources for the story.

It's also not uncommon. If major politicians sued on every lie told about them, they wouldn't have time for anything else.

I'm more concerned that the Federal Government saw fit to prorogue itself in the middle of a pandemic. WTF?

Seppuku? Interesting strategy.

 

[bob the dog]

So now Justin needs to ask Julie to prorogue parliament. I wonder what she will say?

 

[Twin_Moose]

So now Justin needs to ask Julie to prorogue parliament. I wonder what she will say?

No need to wonder anymore she didn't even take time to look at any options in front of her

Julie Payette, rebellious and embattled Governor General, rubber-stamps prorogue request

 

[Twin_Moose]

A pretty good break down of events leading up to the exposed scandal

Solving WE’s ‘which came first’ problem

When it comes down to it, the WE Charity scandal is essentially a ‘which came first’ problem. Only, instead of a chicken and an egg, we have a program and a delivery partner. Was the Canada Student Service Grant (CSSG) a proper thing in search of a delivery partner or was it a notion rounded into shape by one delivery partner to the exclusion of all others, a delivery partner with some serious financial ties to the finance minister and the family of the Prime Minister?

The evidence presented to the Finance Committee looking into the cancelled WE deal offers evidence in support of both chicken and egg. Federal bureaucrats and members of the government testified that other organizations were considered to deliver the CSSG. But recently released lobbying records demonstrate that only WE Charity was busy repeatedly ‘interacting’ with the federal government over the period when the CSSG was fleshed out and brought into existence.

The story of the ill-fated volunteer grant begins as very few things do in Ottawa: on a Sunday night work call between the Prime Minister and his then finance minister. The two men were finalizing the details of the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy (CEWS), to be announced the following day by Justin Trudeau. At the end of the call Bill Morneau mentioned some areas where he thought the government response to COVID-19 was still falling short. One of those areas was students. The Prime Minister agreed and tasked his minister with working up some policy options.

The next day the minister’s office and department swung into action. As Trudeau delivered his morning press conference announcing the CEWS, Michelle Kovacevic, an associate deputy minister at Finance, heard Trudeau promise more action for students. Kovacevic immediately reached out to counterparts at Employment and Social Development Canada (ESDC) to “hear about options” to do more for students. She also rang up the Minister’s office to see if they were privy to more detail.

For its part, the minister’s political office was busy hitting the phones, chatting with 12 organizations for “input” in their quest to work up options. One of those organizations was WE Charity. A summary of these conversations titled ‘What We Heard’ was prepared and shared with Kovacevic and other officials on April 9. At this time, the CSSG wasn’t yet a twinkle in anyone’s eye.

READ MORE: Bill Morneau, melting away

As the minions at Finance were busy answering Morneau’s call, the braintrust at WE Charity were suffering a torrid time. The chair of the charity’s board of directors, Michelle Douglas, had resigned on March 27 following a dispute with WE’s founders, Craig and Marc Kielburger, over matters of financial transparency. Hundreds of WE employees were being laid off due to the economic effects of the pandemic. A proud and popular charity was taking a massive hit, a fact that wasn’t being shared with those calling on behalf of the government.

Instead, the WE team were busy flogging a youth social entrepreneurship proposal to Mary Ng, Trudeau’s small business minister. Craig Kielburger mentioned the proposal to Ng on an introductory April 7 call, the same day Morneau’s office was on the phone to Sofia Marquez at WE getting her input on possible federal programming. Kielburger would eventually send the proposal through to Ng on April 9, before also shipping it to the offices of Morneau, Trudeau, and Bardish Chagger, the Minister for Diversity, Inclusion, and Youth. If billions of dollars was hemorrhaging out of government, often daily, it was worth WE taking a shot. WE followed up its proposal with Morneau’s office via Amit Singh, a Morneau policy advisor, on April 10.

Chagger’s officials ended up forwarding the WE social entrepreneurship proposal—which plumped for digital programming and $500 grants, plus “incentive grants”, for 8,000 students—to their counterparts in Finance on April 16, the same day their department provided a list of potential delivery partners on “volunteer opportunities”. In her response, Finance ADM Kovacevic asked her ESDC counterparts to consider WE in its analysis of potential delivery partners, even if no-one yet knew the final shape of the volunteer policy being developed. All officials knew was that Trudeau and Morneau wanted a volunteer component included.

Meanwhile, ESDC officials, led by Senior Assistant Deputy Minister Rachel Wernick, were in the midst of contacting the national coalition members of the Canada Service Corps to see what they might contribute to the possible response. ESDC officials had already been in touch with the 12 organizations as a group on March 27 and April 3—i.e. before Trudeau’s chat with Morneau—to talk about the beefing up of the Canada Service Corps that was to come......Much, Much, More

 

[Twin_Moose]

Conservatives claim 'coverup' after Trudeau shuts down Parliament

Conservative MPs are accusing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of a "coverup" by shutting down Parliament to dodge scrutiny of his government's role in the WE Charity student-grant controversy.

During a news conference in Ottawa, finance critic Pierre Poilievre and ethics critic Michael Barrett brandished documents released by the government to a committee probing the affair, which were heavily redacted.

They said that amounts to a "coverup."

"It's clear Justin Trudeau has something to hide," Poilievre said. "He does not want Canadians to know what's in these documents, and that's why he shut down this parliamentary investigation."

The PMO says the reams of documents back up Trudeau's assertion that the plan to grant WE the student volunteer service deal came from the bureaucracy and that there was no political interference to steer management of the program to the organization.

Trudeau announced Tuesday that Gov. Gen. Julie Payette had granted his request to prorogue Parliament until Sept. 23.

He said the move will allow his government to present a long-term economic recovery plan for Canada post-pandemic and an opportunity for the House of Commons to vote on whether it has confidence in the government to move forward on that plan.

The prorogation of Parliament suspends the committee work of MPs probing the WE Charity student volunteer grant controversy.

Thousands of pages of internal government records related to the We Charity contract were released yesterday that were requested by MPs on the finance committee.

WE Charity was awarded a $43.5 million contract to manage the $900 million student volunteer grant program. Trudeau and then-finance minister Bill Morneau did not recuse themselves from cabinet talks on the deal, despite both having family ties to the organization.

Morneau announced his resignation Monday evening, saying he did not intend to seek a third term in office and that it was time for a new finance minister to lead the country into a long-term, post-pandemic recovery plan.

Poilievre said despite the heavy redactions, the documents show that the Prime Minister's Office (PMO) and the finance minister's office was involved in crafting the contribution agreement with WE Charity, despite assertions by Trudeau and others that the program was designed and negotiated by public servants.

Email chain on student aid
As one example, Poilievre pointed to a June 27 message from WE Charity co-founder Craig Kielburger to senior PMO staffer Ben Chin thanking him for his help on the the program.

"Hello Ben. Thank you for your kindness in helping shape our latest program with the go'vt. Warmly, Craig," reads the mssage sent through LinkedIn.

Chin responded two days later: "Great to hear from you Craig. Let's get our young working!"

A PMO official said Chin wasn't involved in the WE decision, and that the Linkedin message was his only interaction on the file and he simply responded two days later out of courtesy.

The exchange came several weeks after senior bureaucrats negotiated the deal with WE, and two days after the agreement was formally announced by Trudeau.

Poilievre also flagged an April 20 email from as.........More

 

[bob the dog]

A pretty good break down of events leading up to the exposed scandal

Solving WE’s ‘which came first’ problem

Bizzaro!

It's always a small scam that trips the alert. Was the grant set at $900 M to avoid the scrutiny of a billion dollars?

The ludicrous side imo is that there was/is no tangible objective involved with giving teens $5,000 to visit someone in a hospital and say you want to be a doctor. Might see some of it come back through mj sales.

Politician remumeration should equal the average Canadian income and then they would start to see. Of course they would all quit because they are so important but a new better politician would eventually evolve.

 

[Jinentonix]

And so Groper prorogues Parliament on the EXACT same day the WE report is released. A heavily redacted report that Parliament won't be able to question and remove the black ink from because they're been prorogued.


Man, look at all that open, honest transparency Groper promised his govt would bring. F*cking goof is about as transparent as a slab of depleted uranium.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Procurement ombudsman opens investigation into six sole-source contracts awarded to WE by Trudeau government

6 small sole sourced contracts brought to light in the years of 2017-2019

 

[Mowich]

It's bullshit, I looked into it a while back and there are no credible sources for the story.


I'm more concerned that the Federal Government saw fit to prorogue itself in the middle of a pandemic. WTF?

Who cares about the pandemic when those nasty ethic inquiries kept revealing yet more liberal dirt, RCS - of course they had to be shut down so prorogation was completely necessary./s

 

[pgs]

Who cares about the pandemic when those nasty ethic inquiries kept revealing yet more liberal dirt, RCS - of course they had to be shut down so prorogation was completely necessary./s

What difference does it make , parliament has been in virtual lockdown since this overhyped pandemic began .

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Who cares about the pandemic when those nasty ethic inquiries kept revealing yet more liberal dirt, RCS - of course they had to be shut down so prorogation was completely necessary./s

That's the point. Up until recently Trudeau has been in front of the podium, pandering for votes. "We are all in this together. And if your a transgendered homeless person addicted to heroin, here's a check from the federal government. And if you are an aboriginal living in Toronto, we know how hard that is. Here's a check. And..."

This pandemic was/is a tool of his election platform now, has been since early on. And now he's proroguing to get a big plan together for all of us? Bullshit. He's run away, because his government has been caught with their hand in the cookie jar. His finance minister as well.

Trudeau's strategy, probably advised by Gerald Buttes, prorogue parliament, keep a low profile for a month, and hope it blows over with Canadians. It worked for Stephen Harper, when the Liberals, Bloc, and N.D.P., tried to form a coalition to oust him in his first minority term as Canada's prime minister.

The only difference is that Trudeau knows that once the blatant lies and corruption are made public, voters are going to be pissed. Many of them already are.

But for how long?

So the question, "Who prorogues government in the middle of a pandemic?" is very relevant and should be used by the opposition to blow holes in the middle of his bullshit story about needing time to get Canada back on track.

It needs to be asked again and again and again.

Canada and the USA are so ****ed up in their leadership. Between that blowhard to the south and the Pander Bear in Ottawa, we really are scraping the bottom of the barrel for ethics.

Changes must be made.

 

[Mowich]

That's the point. Up until recently Trudeau has been in front of the podium, pandering for votes. "We are all in this together. And if your a transgendered homeless person addicted to heroin, here's a check from the federal government. And if you are an aboriginal living in Toronto, we know how hard that is. Here's a check. And..."

No surprise that he would pander to the whingers and whiners and layabouts, RCS. That is his base after all.

So the question, "Who prorogues government in the middle of a pandemic?" is very relevant and should be used by the opposition to blow holes in the middle of his bullshit story about needing time to get Canada back on track.

It needs to be asked again and again and again.

I agree completely with all you wrote, RCS. In case you missed it, I was being sarcastic in my former remarks.

 

[Mowich]

Escaping Responsibility
​

In 1970 Claude Charron was the youngest member ever elected to the National Assembly of Quebec. Re-elected a few times and as a high-profile cabinet minister, Charron astounded everyone by being caught red-handed trying to steal a tweed jacket from an Eaton’s store. The jacket still had its price tag on it when he was apprehended. Charron then resigned his cabinet post, his once-promising political career coming to a sad end. His ultimate humiliation came later when he was stopped for impaired driving.

There was much speculation as to just what had happened. To begin, he was under a great deal of pressure. And as a Parti Quebecois politician, dealing with the constitutional ups and downs, his announcement that he was a homosexual (in a time that was still a big deal) didn’t help. Charron fit the psychological profile of other affluent people who do something foolhardy, like shoplifting.

And, not because they needed the item, but because they felt overwhelmed by the pressure of their lives. They subconsciously want a way out, feeling trapped in their positions of responsibility.

Charron later described the way he exited politics as a “political suicide”.

Another Quebec politician seems to fit Charron’s description. A politician who continually places himself in scandalous situations — groping incidents, wearing blackface, accepting a luxurious island vacation, deliberately violating well-established justice system boundaries, and, now, giving a billion-dollar government contract to a highly questionable “charitable” organization that had paid, previously, $300,000 to his family.

That Quebec politician is our Prime Minister.

Could it be that Justin Trudeau is signalling that he is in over his head and wants out? Recall: Trudeau’s qualifications going into the 2015 federal election — an election win that surprised everyone and put him in power — were extremely thin. Before becoming the elected Liberal member for Papineau, Trudeau had few accomplishments that would justify obtaining Canada’s top political job.

Without his famous name, it is doubtful that he would have risen much further than his drama teaching career. That was the highest position — and a part-time one to boot — that he had occupied before using his famous name to enter politics.

When he came to power the country was in sound financial shape, respected on the world stage, and reasonably contented. Canada now reels with a debt to exceed one trillion dollars, with a Prime Minister now openly mocked by world leaders. His policies have racial groups at each other’s throats. While it is true that an unprecedented pandemic is part of this volatile mix, it should be remembered that immediately before COVID-19 hit, our country’s transportation system had been virtually paralyzed by an assortment of climate, indigenous and professional agitators, and was already seriously in debt.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau seems powerless to do anything about the calamities that have struck our nation.

Perhaps the latest WE Charity scandal is a sign from a beleaguered Prime Minister that he recognizes that he should never have been placed in this responsible position in the first place. This would be a good time for him to arrange a graceful exit.

fcpp.org/2020/08/15/escaping-responsibility/

 

[Jinentonix]

Perhaps the latest WE Charity scandal is a sign from a beleaguered Prime Minister that he recognizes that he should never have been placed in this responsible position in the first place. This would be a good time for him to arrange a graceful exit.

Trudeau's ego is WAY too big for that to happen. He is man who believes the position of Prime Minister is all about him.

 

[bob the dog]

I have wondered in the past about the Canadian Taxpayer Federation and who they are, and if they would ever consider forming as a political party. It is my opinion that taxpayers share the same concerns regardless of geography. It needs to be a platform based on reform. Not that much different from what the NDP should have been but never was.

 

[taxslave]

A pretty good break down of events leading up to the exposed scandal
Solving WE’s ‘which came first’ problem

Nothing like being related to the guy holding the purse strings. Corruption on a grand scale.

 

[taxslave]

Bizzaro!
It's always a small scam that trips the alert. Was the grant set at $900 M to avoid the scrutiny of a billion dollars?
The ludicrous side imo is that there was/is no tangible objective involved with giving teens $5,000 to visit someone in a hospital and say you want to be a doctor. Might see some of it come back through mj sales.
Politician remumeration should equal the average Canadian income and then they would start to see. Of course they would all quit because they are so important but a new better politician would eventually evolve.

At one time this was so. The idea was that a person should do something for the country,not for money. Then the losers got into the game and claimed that the lack of financial reward kept otherwise good people from contributing to the betterment of the country. Now politics has become a cash cow to be milked by those that would never make it in the real world.

 

[taxslave]

I have wondered in the past about the Canadian Taxpayer Federation and who they are, and if they would ever consider forming as a political party. It is my opinion that taxpayers share the same concerns regardless of geography. It needs to be a platform based on reform. Not that much different from what the NDP should have been but never was.

I think that would compromise their position.

 

[bob the dog]

I think that would compromise their position.

It would change their position. I think they could win an election with a no name leader and a strong party platform.

I'm talking a whole different structure of government where representatives spend their 9 -5 work day in an office in their home riding and where you might actually be able to find someone other than a relative manning the home office fort. Traveling back and forth from Ottawa is a complete waste of time and money.

The current system of printing money is not sustainable. They need to stop chasing superficial ideals. Of course the status quo won't ever allow that.

Appreciate your comments taxslave. I'm new here so lots to learn.