We can't afford a nuclear Iran

[darkbeaver]

RE: We can't afford a nuc

It's actually not a mess in Iraq, it's exactly what was required, a splintered Iraq cannot form a central government which would vie for control with the US, idealy Iraq will always requier an American presence to keep the peace and nurture freedom and democracy, just exactly like they do and have historically done in many other countries.It's an old story, someday we're going to get tired of it.

 

[Jay]

This is of course just more hysterical Bush administration propaganda to justify another invasion of a non-aggressive country:

U.S. intelligence agencies say Iran is several years away from being able to produce enough enriched uranium to build a nuclear weapon

USA Today

Why don't they clean up their mess in Iraq, first?

Iran rebuffed a request by the U.N. nuclear agency chief in talks Thursday that it suspend uranium enrichment. Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the IAEA, emerged from meetings with Iranian officials in Tehran on Thursday to say there is no evidence Iran has diverted nuclear material for weapons.

"But the picture is still hazy," he said. During the 20 years of Iran's nuclear program, "lots of activities went unreported," ElBaradei said.

Do you really trust these people?

 

[darkbeaver]

Re: RE: We can't afford a nuclear Iran

invite them to be permament members of the security council

That would be consistent with the UN. They should begin by offerring them to chair the Human Rights council.

It would be consistent, since you had much to do with the Human Rights Council even in spite of your own dismal human rights record.

 

[BitWhys]

Do you really trust these people?

In the immortal words of Ronald Raygun, trust and verify. The only reason Korea pulled it off is everyone stopped paying attention.

 

[cortezzz]

ITN-- is one of many who hasnt got a clue how the UN works--- he actually believes that the US --is a positive force there-- but then again ---how would we know--
unless one can find examples of procedings...

example one


UN resolution 39-147
dec 17,1984

UN resolution proposes a nuclear-test ban, nuclear disarmament, and cessation of nuclear arms race

123 nations voted for
1 nation voted against --ie the US

is this an isolated case--- i think not

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: We can't afford a nuclear Iran

invite them to be permament members of the security council

That would be consistent with the UN. They should begin by offerring them to chair the Human Rights council.

It would be consistent, since you had much to do with the Human Rights Council even in spite of your own dismal human rights record.

Damn, Beav, you just chewed through the wrong branch.

Comparing the human rights record of the mullahs of Iran, and the United States is simply ridiculous.

Educate yourself.

I recommend the book I am currently reading.....Reading Lolita in Tehran, A Memoir in Books, by Azar Nafisi.

Nafisi was an Iranian professor of English literature, who quit her job and taught a few special female students sedition through the writings of Steinbeck, Fitzgerald, and Nabokov.

Read about women, not only forced to wear the chador, but forbidden to lick ice cream in public. Read about girls beaten by police on the street because the ate apples too seductively. Read about young women tried, convicted and publically whipped for sitting (6 of them together) with a man on a couple of benches.

Read about the professors colleagues, who began disappearing from the university, only to reappear on TV broadcasts, bruised and submissive, to confess to their thought crimes before their execution. Read about the novelist executed for "promoting prostitution" in one of his stories. Read about the 19 year old kid executed for "Being westernized, brought up in a westernized family, staying too long in Europe for his studies; smoking Winston cigarettes;and displaying leftist tendencies."(from Amnesty International)

And you have the gall to equate this with democratic, tolerant, free nations like the United States?

I know it is swollen and probably stuck, but you should really try to pull your head out of your arse.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: We can't afford a nuclear Iran

ITN-- is one of many who hasnt got a clue how the UN works

Yawn. Trolls are plentiful and abound with no common sense. You're no exception. Only the meek can follow your path.

 

[cortezzz]

UN procedings
example 2

dec 5, 1983
UN resolution 38-39E
proposing the dessemination and organizing conferances in the campaign against aparthied

votes--not including abstentions

149 nations--FOR
1 nation- AGAINST---- ie the US

 

[cortezzz]

Re: RE: We can't afford a nuclear Iran

ITN-- is one of many who hasnt got a clue how the UN works

Yawn. Trolls are plentiful and abound with no common sense. You're no exception. Only the meek can follow your path.

UN procedings
example 3

Dec 5, 1983
UN resolution 38-39 I

UN general assembly urges the security council to consider sanctions against south africa as a protest against apartheid

votes- not including abstentions

140 nations -FOR
1-nation -AGAINST---- ie the US

 

[cortezzz]

do you see a pattern here--
ITN

i think not

 

[Jay]

ITN-- is one of many who hasnt got a clue how the UN works

Yawn. Trolls are plentiful and abound with no common sense. You're no exception. Only the meek can follow your path.

conflict is the engine of progress--karl marx

They think of it as "progressive".

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: We can't afford a nuclear Iran

UN procedings
example 2

dec 5, 1983
UN resolution 38-39E
proposing the dessemination and organizing conferances in the campaign against aparthied

votes--not including abstentions

149 nations--FOR
1 nation- AGAINST---- ie the US

I'm pretty sure that convention was in relation to sports. The international convention on suppression/punishment of apartheid was adopted in '73. I know the US was against South African punishment for apartheid practices, but I don't know how they voted in '73 either.

 

[cortezzz]

UN procedings
demonstrating --progressive nature of the US


example 4

dec 15-1978

UN resolution 33-75

Resolution urges the security council , especially its permament members to take all neccessary measures for insuring UN decisions on the maintenence of international peace and security

votes -- not including abstentions

119 nations --FOR
2- nations AGAINST-- ie --The United States
and Isreal

think hard
concentrate
a pattern will soon emerge

 

[cortezzz]

Re: RE: We can't afford a nuclear Iran

UN procedings
example 2

dec 5, 1983
UN resolution 38-39E
proposing the dessemination and organizing conferances in the campaign against aparthied

votes--not including abstentions

149 nations--FOR
1 nation- AGAINST---- ie the US

I'm pretty sure that convention was in relation to sports. The international convention on suppression/punishment of apartheid was adopted in '73. I know the US was against South African punishment for apartheid practices, but I don't know how they voted in '73 either.

yes yes

the pattern

the pattern

watch for the pattern

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: We can't afford a nuclear Iran

ITN-- is one of many who hasnt got a clue how the UN works

Yawn. Trolls are plentiful and abound with no common sense. You're no exception. Only the meek can follow your path.

UN procedings
example 3

Dec 5, 1983
UN resolution 38-39 I

UN general assembly urges the security council to consider sanctions against south africa as a protest against apartheid

votes- not including abstentions

140 nations -FOR
1-nation -AGAINST---- ie the US

US Sanctions South Africa 1986

Link

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: We can't afford a nuclear Iran

UN procedings
example 2

dec 5, 1983
UN resolution 38-39E
proposing the dessemination and organizing conferances in the campaign against aparthied

votes--not including abstentions

149 nations--FOR
1 nation- AGAINST---- ie the US

I'm pretty sure that convention was in relation to sports. The international convention on suppression/punishment of apartheid was adopted in '73. I know the US was against South African punishment for apartheid practices, but I don't know how they voted in '73 either.

yes yes

the pattern

the pattern

watch for the pattern

You need to provide preliminary data.

There were sanctions adopted in '73 did the US vote against them then? Either way, sports is included under the umbrella of anit-apartheid.

 

[cortezzz]

Re: RE: We can't afford a nuclear Iran

ITN-- is one of many who hasnt got a clue how the UN works

Yawn. Trolls are plentiful and abound with no common sense. You're no exception. Only the meek can follow your path.

UN procedings
example 3

Dec 5, 1983
UN resolution 38-39 I

UN general assembly urges the security council to consider sanctions against south africa as a protest against apartheid

votes- not including abstentions

140 nations -FOR
1-nation -AGAINST---- ie the US

US Sanctions South Africa 1986

Link

why the delay

hardly
progressive

tactic---- if you cant stop democrasy-- ie The USs plan
slow it down
skupper it
hobble it
if still --- it happens
the moment it happens--
turn around and take credit for it.

 

[cortezzz]

UN procedings -example 5

Dec 8,1978

Request for report on the living conditions of palestinians in occupied Arab countries

votes-- not including abstentions

110 nations --FOR
2 nations -AGAINST--- ie the United states
and Isreal

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: We can't afford a nuclear Iran

ITN-- is one of many who hasnt got a clue how the UN works

Yawn. Trolls are plentiful and abound with no common sense. You're no exception. Only the meek can follow your path.

UN procedings
example 3

Dec 5, 1983
UN resolution 38-39 I

UN general assembly urges the security council to consider sanctions against south africa as a protest against apartheid

votes- not including abstentions

140 nations -FOR
1-nation -AGAINST---- ie the US

US Sanctions South Africa 1986

Link

why the delay

hardly
progressive

tactic---- if you cant stop democrasy-- ie The USs plan
slow it down
skupper it
hobble it
if still --- it happens
the moment it happens--
turn around and take credit for it.

Who else imposed independant sanctions prior?

Perhaps their was a change of presidency between 73 and 86? Preliminary Cortezz, the devil is always in the details, Carter and Regan were very different presidents.

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: We can't afford a nuclear Iran

UN procedings -example 5

Dec 8,1978

Request for report on the living conditions of palestinians in occupied Arab countries

votes-- not including abstentions

110 nations --FOR
2 nations -AGAINST--- ie the United states
and Isreal

Wow. That's so unlike the Carter admin. What was their policy at the time?

The United States was not in favour of the League of Nations either. I guess there should be some recognition for consistancy.