We can still get a strong deal with the most pro-Brexit House of Commons ever

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This is the most pro-Brexit House of Commons ever elected. More than 90 per cent of MPs have just been returned for parties that are promising to leave the EU, namely the Conservatives, Labour and the Democratic Unionist Party.

That fact is worth remembering as you listen to the excited comments by British Europhiles about stopping Brexit, and the sneering by some in Brussels about the supposed hopelessness of our position now that Theresa May has lost her outright majority.

It's hard to see how Brexit could be stopped even if MPs voted en masse against their party manifestos.

DANIEL HANNAN: Don't panic! We can still get a strong deal with the most pro-Brexit House of Commons ever




By Daniel Hannan for the Daily Mail
10 June 2017

This is the most pro-Brexit House of Commons ever elected. More than 90 per cent of MPs have just been returned for parties that are promising to leave the EU, namely the Conservatives, Labour and the Democratic Unionist Party.

That fact is worth remembering as you listen to the excited comments by British Europhiles about stopping Brexit, and the sneering by some in Brussels about the supposed hopelessness of our position now that Theresa May has lost her outright majority.

It's hard to see how Brexit could be stopped even if MPs voted en masse against their party manifestos.


More than 90 per cent of MPs have just been returned for parties that are promising to leave the EU. Pictured: Theresa May meets President Juncker

The EU's Article 50, which began the formal process of disengagement, was triggered ten weeks ago. Thanks, paradoxically, to the Euro-fanatical campaigner Gina Miller and her court case, its triggering was endorsed by both Houses of Parliament, giving it unarguable authority.

In both British and European law, the United Kingdom will cease to be a member of the EU on March 29, 2019.

A lot of commentators misunderstand, or affect to misunderstand, this fact. Britain will pull out of the EU, with or without a deal, in less than two years.

The choice is not between leaving and staying. It's between leaving in an amicable way and leaving with no agreement. Nothing that has happened this week will change that.

Everyone agrees it is better to withdraw in an orderly manner. We want to retain the friendship of our European allies. We don't want a rupture that damages our economy or theirs, or that weakens the eurozone. Prosperous neighbours make the best customers.


Jeremy Corbyn cemented the Left's grip on Labour last night as he claimed the party had effectively 'won' the election


That's not to say that leaving with no deal would be the end of the world, simply that it is a second-best option.

Pro-EU politicians always use the same hackneyed phrase when they talk about a failure to reach terms.

They call it 'crashing out' of the EU 'with no deal at all'. A more neutral way of putting it might be to say: 'Enjoying normal, friendly relations with the EU, in the way that Australia and the U.S. do.'

Still, to repeat, both sides have made clear that they would much prefer an agreed and cordial withdrawal.

What might the terms of such an agreement look like? Has Britain's hand been weakened by the election? Will Labour MPs work with Tory Europhiles to try to water down any deal? Will Brussels toughen its stance in response?

Again, it is worth looking at the manifestos on which Labour and Conservative MPs have been elected. Both promised to implement the referendum result.

Both accepted that Britain would settle its outstanding debts to the EU, but no more. Both opposed unrestricted migration. Both rejected full membership of the single market.

It is on this last issue, Britain's economic relationship with the EU, that the two main parties are furthest apart, though not always in the way people think. Labour's Brexit spokesman, Keir Starmer, is keen on the single market. But his leader, Jeremy Corbyn, is more hostile to it than any Tory. He was a Leaver as far back as 1975 precisely because he didn't like the economic regulations coming from Brussels.

His Euroscepticism was never really about sovereignty or reducing our payments or controlling our borders. It was about the way EU rules prevented Britain from implementing socialist policies.

Several trade union and Labour figures, including some Remainers, now see Brexit as an opportunity to withdraw from EU rules that hamper the nationalisation of industries, and encourage contracting out of public services to private firms.


Mrs May declared her determination to carry on in Downing Street after going to see the Queen to request permission to form a government - even though she has lost her Commons majority


By contrast, almost all Tories, Leave or Remain, believe that competition is good for consumers, and would happily retain single market regulations on, for example, not discriminating against other countries' products. Is a compromise possible on the single market? And, if a compromise could be found that Parliament endorsed, would it be accepted by the EU? Yes and yes.

The single market is not a single entity. It is a collection of different rules and obligations, some of them more important than others.

Leaving the EU necessarily implies leaving the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice and reasserting the supremacy of British law on our own soil.

But it does not prevent us keeping some of the EU's economic arrangements through domestic legislation.


Formal Brexit talks begin a week on Monday


This is, broadly speaking, the position that Switzerland is in: not exactly in the single market, but not outside it either.

As I kept pointing out before and during the referendum campaign, Switzerland is the second wealthiest country in the world.

Unlike the EU, it has trade deals with China, Japan and other major economies. It manages to have a flourishing financial services sector which, as a proportion of its economy, is twice the size of ours.

It is often pointed out that Switzerland pays a price for these advantages in the form of freedom of movement.

It's true that Switzerland allows EU nationals to enter its territory and claim certain benefits there — as Swiss nationals can do in the EU. But, crucially, those migrants must have jobs.

And their benefits, regulated by bilateral treaties, are not subject to constant extension by the European Commission and Court.

Britain had a similar arrangement until the Maastricht Treaty came into force in the mid-Nineties. We always allowed free movement of labour — the right to accept job offers in each other's countries.

It was the invention of EU citizenship that created enforceable rights, including welfare claims, free university tuition, immunity from deportation and the right to bring family members into Britain.

Formal Brexit talks begin a week on Monday. They will be conducted, on our side, by officials and diplomats who have been preparing for them since last year.

They will answer to a government committed to implementing the referendum result.


The main difference is that, unlike in the last Parliament, most MPs now have a direct mandate for Brexit


The main difference is that, unlike in the last Parliament, most MPs now have a direct mandate for Brexit.

By all means let's make it a friendly and mutually advantageous process. Let's allow for interim arrangements. Let's be flexible about timing. Let's aim to keep bits of EU co-operation that suit both sides.

But let's not pretend Brexit itself is in doubt.

The parties that wanted a second referendum were trounced on Thursday. The result stands.


Daniel Hannan is a Conservative MEP for South East England and the author of What Next: How To Get The Best From Brexit.

 

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Well, that's putting a very optimistic outlook on an unexpectedly bad result. The Conservatives had a larger pro-Brexit majority before the election. Sometimes attempted opportunism bites you in the backside.
 

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Hannan has always favoured staying in the single market.
What he doesn't want to tell you is the Swiss also have freedom of movement, the ECJ, and the customs union which does affect
their ability to do stuff. And they pay into the EU budget.

In fact, it's like they joined the EU, but they don't have a vote in anything.
 

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Hannan has always favoured staying in the single market.
What he doesn't want to tell you is the Swiss also have freedom of movement, the ECJ, and the customs union which does affect
their ability to do stuff. And they pay into the EU budget.

In fact, it's like they joined the EU, but they don't have a vote in anything.

This is what he says in the article:

This is, broadly speaking, the position that Switzerland is in: not exactly in the single market, but not outside it either.

As I kept pointing out before and during the referendum campaign, Switzerland is the second wealthiest country in the world.

Unlike the EU, it has trade deals with China, Japan and other major economies. It manages to have a flourishing financial services sector which, as a proportion of its economy, is twice the size of ours.

It is often pointed out that Switzerland pays a price for these advantages in the form of freedom of movement.

It's true that Switzerland allows EU nationals to enter its territory and claim certain benefits there — as Swiss nationals can do in the EU. But, crucially, those migrants must have jobs.

And their benefits, regulated by bilateral treaties, are not subject to constant extension by the European Commission and Court.

Britain had a similar arrangement until the Maastricht Treaty came into force in the mid-Nineties. We always allowed free movement of labour — the right to accept job offers in each other's countries.
 

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More consulting and debate with less time to make decisions.

May ****ed up big time.
 

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Well, that's putting a very optimistic outlook on an unexpectedly bad result. The Conservatives had a larger pro-Brexit majority before the election. Sometimes attempted opportunism bites you in the backside.

And yet the House of Commons is now more pro-Brexit than it was before. The British people have ousted many of the Remainers.

Britain has now effectively gone back to being a two-party state with the result of this election, and Labour, whose leader Jeremy Corbyn is an avid Eurosceptic and has been since Britain joined what is now the EU in 1973, and the Conservatives, whose leader was a Remainer but recognises that the British people voted democratically to leave the EU, both vow to honour the referendum result. Even if there is another election later this year and Labour wins, Britain will have an avid eurosceptic (Corbyn) as Prime Minister, who will want to take Britain our of the Single Market and the man who would be Britain's new Brexit Secretary, Sir Keir Starmer, wants to end free movement into Britain.

Meanwhile, the parties that want a second EU referendum were trounced. For example, the SNP - who not only want a second EU referendum but also want a second referendum on Scottish independence - crumbled. They went from having 56 seats at Westminster to just 35. Their dreams of ending Brexit and taking Scotland out of the UK are dead.

The Remoaners are simply deluding themselves if they think Thursday's result means somehow the end, or a watering down of Brexit. Both Labour and the Tories will honour the referendum result.
 

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The Swiss didn't get wealthy by being in the EU, they already were long before the EU existed.

And I'll say it again, he doesn't want you to know about the ECJ and ECHR, the money the Swiss pay to the EU,
and that Switzerland has FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT.

He is spreading bullshit.

I will enjoy watching the reaction of the British people when they are told that freedom of movement stays,
the ECJ and EHCR that keeps terrorists in the UK, and no new trade deals because we have the single market.
Oh and you will keep paying 350million a week to the EU. Oh and your Rebate is gone....

"Oh, but we left the EU, we really did".
 

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and that Switzerland has FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT.

It doesn't have full freedom of movement where it allows in any EU citizens. It only allows in those who have jobs.
I will enjoy watching the reaction of the British people when they are told that freedom of movement stays,
the ECJ and EHCR that keeps terrorists in the UK, and no new trade deals because we have the single market.
Oh and you will keep paying 350million a week to the EU. Oh and your Rebate is gone....

"Oh, but we left the EU, we really did".

How do you know all these things? Brexit negotiations don't even start until Monday 19th June. How do you know what agreements will be made? Do you realise that the Tories plan on walking away from negotiations with no deal if they can't get a good deal for Britain, with them constantly stating "No deal is better than a bad deal?"

Britain will either get what she wants or she'll to walk away with no deal.

Hannan has always favoured staying in the single market.
What he doesn't want to tell you is the Swiss also have freedom of movement, the ECJ, and the customs union which does affect
their ability to do stuff. And they pay into the EU budget.

In fact, it's like they joined the EU, but they don't have a vote in anything.

Neither Switzerland nor Norway, which also isn't in the EU, pays into the EU budget. The ECJ has no jurisdiction over both countries.
 

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It doesn't have full freedom of movement where it allows in any EU citizens. It only allows in those who have jobs.

and their families, etc. etc. And they dont stop anyone from walking into the country and staying.


Neither Switzerland nor Norway, which also isn't in the EU, pays into the EU budget. The ECJ has no jurisdiction over both countries.
Wrong.

They pay, they get nothing back.

https://fullfact.org/europe/membership-fee-eu/


EFTA court, run by ECJ.. has jurisdiction in both countries.

The Court of Justice of the European Free Trade Association States (more commonly known as the EFTA Court) is a supranational judicial body responsible for the three EFTA members who are also members of the European Economic Area (EEA): Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway.
As members of the EEA, the three countries have access to the internal market of the European Union. Consequently, they are subject to a number of European laws. Enforcement of these laws would normally be carried out by the European Court of Justice (ECJ), however there were legal difficulties in giving Union institutions powers over non-members so the EFTA Court was set up to perform this role instead of the ECJ.
An exampleof the ECJ operating directly in Swiss affairs.
.. Court of Justice rejects Switzerland



Here, you look like you need some reading.

https://fullfact.org/europe/norway-switzerland-eu-laws/



You really think you are leaving the European union, but going to keep single market access ?
 

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and their families, etc. etc. And they dont stop anyone from walking into the country and staying.

Only EU workers are allowed free movement into Switzerland.

Wrong.

They pay, they get nothing back.

https://fullfact.org/europe/membership-fee-eu/

A bit like Britain then.

Switzerland's contributions to the EU budget are minuscule and they would be a lot higher were it actually in the EU.

EFTA court, run by ECJ.. has jurisdiction in both countries.

An exampleof the ECJ operating directly in Swiss affairs.
.. Court of Justice rejects Switzerland

Here, you look like you need some reading.

https://fullfact.org/europe/norway-switzerland-eu-laws/

As part of Switzerland’s trade deal with the EU single market, it must respect the ECJ’s opinions, but only on internal market law. However, these ECJ rulings are merely “recommendations."

You really think you are leaving the European union, but going to keep single market access ?

Why would we be denied access to the single market? Is there a rule which states than non-EU countries cannot trade with EU countries? Are you telling me that Canada and Kenya don't trade with Germany and France? Would the Germans really want to stop selling us their cars, the French their cheese and the Italians their wine? Britain buys more from the EU than the EU buys from Britain. The EU needs Britain more than Britain needs the EU.

By the way, why does Britain have to follow the Swiss or Norwegian model of non-EU membership? Why can't it follow the Cambodian model or the Peruvian model of non-EU membership? Or, better still, set up her own British model?
 

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Only EU workers are allowed free movement into Switzerland.

Switzerland's contributions to the EU budget are minuscule and they would be a lot higher were it actually in the EU.

However, these ECJ rulings are merely “recommendations."

Do you ever provide any facts to back up your nonsense, or is it all just a bunch of linty fluff and lies ?


Why would we be denied access to the single market? Kenya Cambodian model or the Peruvian model of non-EU membership?

Go ahead, then you will be paying import tariffs of more than 27%.
 

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BL is a rag doll, full of linty stuff and lies. He doesn't know what constitutes proof, or at least evidence to support his insipid posts. He never will. At best, he's a tabloid copy and paste potato. Like most tans.
 

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Do you ever provide any facts to back up your nonsense, or is it all just a bunch of linty fluff and lies ?



Go ahead, then you will be paying import tariffs of more than 27%.

Does that currently apply to the rest of the world when it trades with EU nations or will it only apply to Britain for some reason?

Do New Zealand and Botswana have to pay import tariffs when trading with EU nations?

Published: September 1, 2016

Daniel Hannan: Repeat after me. Single market membership and single market access are not the same thing.

By Daniel Hannan MEP
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Daniel Hannan is an MEP for South-East England, and a journalist, author and broadcaster.



So, demand the pundits, which is it to be? Are we going to control our borders, or are we going to stay in the EU’s single market? Because (the pundits assure us) we can’t do both. Europe’s four freedoms – free movement of goods, services, people and capital – are indivisible. So tell us, Leavers, which will it be, eh? Eh? Which?

Commentators like to present simple, binary choices. But they are missing the real argument here. The case against membership of the single market is not that free movement of people is too high a price to pay for it; it’s that subjecting our entire economy to EU regulations harms growth.

Look at what it says on the back of your iPhone: “Designed in California. Assembled in China”. Neither the United States nor China has any trade deal with the EU, but this doesn’t stop them selling their products here. Access to the single market is not the same as membership of the single market.

The trouble is that the terminology is misleading. Most people understand “single market” to mean something like “free trade zone”. In fact, in the EU context, it means “single regulatory regime”. Membership of the single market doesn’t mean the right to buy and sell there (pretty much the entire world can do that); it means accepting EU jurisdiction over your domestic technical standards.

Britain, as a relatively large economy which exports more to non-EU than to EU markets, would be better off trading freely with the single market than belonging to it. Before we come to that, though, let’s look at whether the single market really does require the unrestricted movement of people.

We keep being told that the only way to retain full access to the single market after Brexit is to join the European Economic Area (EEA), alongside Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein. But this isn’t true. Most European states and territories, from the Isle of Man via Switzerland to Turkey, have full access to EU markets.

The EEA tends to duplicate the EU’s standards and structures because it was designed as a transitional step to full EU membership. The mechanism for the automatic adoption of EU legal acts in EEA states – the “government by fax” which Remainers kept banging on about – only made sense as a temporary mechanism to facilitate the assimilation of the EU’s full legal corpus. No one imagined, when the EEA was negotiated in 1992, that it would still be around today.

Is free movement a sine qua non of EEA membership? As a matter of fact, no. There are three EEA states outside the EU. Two of them, Iceland and Norway, accept free movement on terms similar to EU states. The third, Liechtenstein, does not. It caps net inward migration at 71 people a year. My point is not that Britain should model itself on the princely microstate. I am simply observing that, for all their pieties, EU leaders in practice do not regard the principle of free movement of people as inviolable. It is, rather, one of many desiderata open to negotiation.

I have little doubt that Britain could get some sort of modified EEA arrangement that provided for some restrictions on free movement. But that should not be our goal. We should aim, rather, to have the closest possible alliance with our European neighbours commensurate with full sovereignty. That means a deep and profitable trading relationship based on mutual product recognition rather than standardisation.

Only six per cent of British companies do any business at all with the rest of the EU; yet 100 per cent of our firms must apply 100 per cent of EU regulations. Our aim should be to exempt the 94 per cent (representing 85 per cent of the economy, the highest proportion of any European state) from EU directives and regulations.

Of course British exporters will have to meet EU standards when selling to the EU, just as they must meet Russian standards when selling to Russia. There may be certain businesses, even whole sectors, which choose to duplicate EU regulations for reasons of convenience or economies of scale. But there is little purpose in Brexit if we continue to hobble ourselves with the Ports Services Directive, the Temporary Workers Directive, the Resale Rights Directive, the Alternative Investment Fund Managers Directive, the End of Life Vehicles Directive and all the rest.

What will be the implication for financial services, one of our greatest export industries? Well, take another glance at those words on the iPhone. What applies to goods applies to services, too. Governments don’t trade with governments; businesses trade with businesses. The largest export destination for British financial services, including pensions and insurance, is the United States. Yet, to repeat, there is no US-UK trade deal – there being no US-EU deal.

Many banks are fretting publicly about whether they will retain “passporting rights” outside the EU – in other words, the right to operate in all 28 states if they are headquartered in one of them. Frankly, their attitude suggests that they are privileging the interests of their Brussels-based lobbyists over those of their shareholders. For the truth is that a financial institution doesn’t need to be based in the EU to trade there. All it needs is to be based in a jurisdiction whose regulation is deemed to be equivalent to that in the EU.

Last month, the EU’s regulator recommended that passporting rights be extended to firms regulated in Australia, Canada, the Cayman Islands, Guernsey, Hong Kong, Japan, Jersey, Switzerland and the United States. Now remember that, on the day Brexit takes effect, Britain won’t just have equivalent regulation to the EU; it will have identical regulation. The idea that the Cayman Islands might enjoy passporting rights but not the UK is risible.

Whether we’re considering financial services or the wider economy, our interest is the same. We should seek a comprehensive free trade deal with the EU founded, wherever possible, on the mutual recognition of regulatory standards and professional qualifications. But we should retain the freedom to make our own laws.

That freedom is incompatible with EEA membership. We should leave the EU precisely so that we can embrace a global, free-trading, deregulated future. Control over our immigration policy? That’s just an incidental bonus.

http://www.conservativehome.com/the...gle-market-access-are-not-the-same-thing.html
 
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BL is a rag doll, full of linty stuff and lies. He doesn't know what constitutes proof, or at least evidence to support his insipid posts. He never will. At best, he's a tabloid copy and paste potato. Like most tans.

I've noticed, thanks for the confirmation.


Look at what it says on the back of your iPhone: “Designed in California. Assembled in China”. Neither the United States nor China l


What an awesomely stupid example.
Apple has it's Euro HQ in Ireland, and is regularly criticized for not paying anywhere enough tax in the EU.
They get access to the EU by being "Irish', but every coffee shop in Europe pays more tax than they do.
Apple's European HQ in Ireland: What we found out about the company's Cork operations | The Independent
 

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And yet the House of Commons is now more pro-Brexit than it was before. The British people have ousted many of the Remainers.

Right, by voting out members of the party that promised to leave the EU and by weakening the hand of the PM who called a snap election in order to gain a strong mandate to negotiate.
 

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Right, by voting out members of the party that promised to leave the EU and by weakening the hand of the PM who called a snap election in order to gain a strong mandate to negotiate.

Both the Tories and now Labour have it in their manifestos, which they released during the election campaign, that they want to deliver Brexit, which includes ending free movement into Britain. And the Toies and Labour, combined, won 580 of the 650 Commons seats, whereas the anti-Brexit parties who want a second EU referendum just because the result of the first one didn't go their way did badly - the Liberal Democrats increased their seats from eight to twelve (which will be useless against all those Tory and Labour MPs), but actually saw a slight decrease in their vote share, whereas the SNP lost 21 seats, from 56 to 35, so they can wave goodbye to their hopes of having both a second EU referendum and a second Scottish independence referendum.

And then there aren't just Labour and the Tories. There are also the ten DUP MPs. Including them, 590 of the 650 MPs in Parliament now belong to parties who want to deliver Brexit.

This election created no mandate for watering down Brexit. There must be no backsliding

Jacob Rees-Mogg
11 June 2017
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A mural near the port exit in Dover Credit: Banksy


Inevitably, an election result that was not as good as expected, fought in a presidential fashion on a manifesto that moved the Conservative Party to the Left, has raised questions about the leader and her advisers. The fact that the result was a disappointment rather than a disaster, with the highest share of the vote since 1983 and more votes than Tony Blair in 1997, does little to soften the blow, but is nonetheless important. The case for Theresa May staying on needs to be made.

Brexit is an important part of this analysis. Negotiations are about to start, and the nation cannot afford to show weakness across the Channel. Already, people who never wanted to leave the European Union are calling for a change of tune, by which they mean a reversal of the referendum. “Hard” and “soft” Brexit are code words for leaving or staying in the EU, rather than for the terms of our departure. No such denial of the people’s will can be permitted.

Indeed, the essence of our strength is in the negotiating reality that no deal really is better than a bad deal. By the end of March 2019, if nothing has been agreed, we leave with all our money, laws and border controls, and the ability to trade with the EU the way we successfully do with everyone else. This is rather an attractive position, and much preferable to being a European satrapy. Mrs May seems to be aware of the strength of this position, and that is a good reason for her to remain.


Prime Minister Theresa May, accompanied by her husband Philip, makes a statement in Downing Street following the General Election results Credit: Andrew Matthews/PA


Fortunately, thanks to Ms Gina Miller, the legal situation is very clear. The instrument of departure, as per Article 50 of the Treaty of the European Union, was issued following an Act of Parliament, and the process will continue inexorably until we leave. There is the possibility of a unanimous agreement to extend the two-year period, but it seems unlikely the EU states would consider this unless there was still a chance of keeping us in the EU. That would not be so under Mrs May’s leadership, as she has consistently made it clear that “Brexit means Brexit”.

This is a point being overlooked by those who are calling for a change in direction. Both UK and EU law now recognise that we will go. To amend that would require primary legislation. As long as Mrs May is prime minister it is hard to see how any such law could get through Parliament. We don’t know how steadfast another prime minister would be in this crucial matter, so Brexiteers have a strong motive for supporting Mrs May.

As for the claim that this result means Mrs May must now drop her approach to Brexit and seek to keep Britain inside the European Economic Area, that is simply wrong. Although the Tory Party hoped that the general election of 2017 would be about Brexit, it was not. Indeed, it was about everything except Brexit – social care, grammar schools, foxhunting – and the cleverness of Labour’s campaign was to leave Brexit alone. It is clear that voters did not want to be asked the same question twice; one decision was made in 2016, and fresh ones were to be made on Thursday. Similarly, the Scots showed they did not want to be asked the same question multiple times, hence the SNP’s decline.

This means that there is no mandate at all from this election for undermining Brexit. Remainers kept quiet during the campaign because they knew the matter was settled – with the exception of the Lib Dems, who, despite getting a few seats, are irrelevant. The Labour Party likewise made no serious challenge to the outline set out by the Prime Minister. This election was therefore a tacit endorsement of Mrs May’s Brexit strategy, for voters showed no desire to change it; it is better that she should carry it out.

Practically every election campaign is called the worst in living memory, and 2017 is no exception. Certainly it was not a good one, but nor was it as poor as 1997; the Tory vote, after all, went up. As so often, it showed that a politician’s virtues and vices are two sides of the same coin. Mrs May is strong and stable, or, to her opponents, stubborn and inflexible. In the councils of Europe, and in the dangerous world of terror attacks, there is much more virtue than vice in these particular traits. They will be essential for Brexit, and useful in other areas of government.



Jacob Rees-Mogg is the Conservative MP for North East Somerset

This election created no mandate for watering down Brexit. There must be no backsliding
 

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Both the Tories and now Labour have it in their manifestos, which they released during the election campaign, that they want to deliver Brexit, which includes ending free movement into Britain. And the Toies and Labour, combined, won 580 of the 650 Commons seats,

Corbyn has been such a slimy little bugger on which terms he wants his Brexit, and Labour is full of Remoaners
who would anything to stay in the EU.

They cannot be trusted to deliver anything.

I'm sure Corbyn only wants enough Brexit to get far enough out so that he can start nationalizing everything under the sun.
 

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Unfortunately, we can't put "Made in Britain" on our manufactured goods anymore. We have to put "Made in the EU." That'll change once we've left, though.

Corbyn has been such a slimy little bugger on which terms he wants his Brexit, and Labour is full of Remoaners
who would anything to stay in the EU.

They cannot be trusted to deliver anything.

I'm sure Corbyn only wants enough Brexit to get far enough out so that he can start nationalizing everything under the sun.

In fact, there is one good thing about Corbyn: He's been a Eurosceptic ever since Britain joined what is now the EU (the Common Market) in 1973. He's been wanting Britain out of the EU for years, and when Britain voted to leave almost exactly one year ago the Remoan press like The Grauniad accused him (as though it were a crime in a democracy) of voting Leave, which I'm sure he did. He voted against membership in 1973, he voted against the Maastricht Treaty (which created the EU) in 1993 and voted against the Lisbon Treaty in 2008.

Corbyn wants Britain out of the Single Market and his Shadow Brexit Secretary, Keir Starmer, wants to end freedom of movement. They made taking Britain out of the EU part of their election manifesto.

But I'd still rather have May and Brexit Secretary David Davis negotiating our way out of the EU than Corbyn and Starmer.